so wich class/job shares a gearset with rog/ninja?

going by what they showed unless they omited one someone is sharing a set with rog/nin
http://i.minus.com/izl3yUCduRZAX.jpg
http://i.minus.com/iN6W79dKIrCzK.jpg

the question is,is it mnk/pug or brd/nin. i could make cases for both but none of the new crafted sets scream monk or bard to me.

Aren't dagger classes usually Dex based?

Quick guesses

http://i.imgur.com/oYoUd5F.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/L4op5x8.jpg

^ Your right in my opinion :) I wish the Bard one was the Monk one though xD

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Originally Posted by 16bitBounty

Aren't dagger classes usually Dex based?

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Except that FFXIV defines DEX as a ranged damage attribute only, which is why only Bard uses it. They would have to re-define DEX for it to share gear.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Except that FFXIV defines DEX as a ranged damage attribute only, which is why only Bard uses it. They would have to re-define DEX for it to share gear.

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It wouldn't be the first time DEX would be revamped in this game.

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Originally Posted by Jaykos

Quick guesses

http://i.imgur.com/oYoUd5F.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/L4op5x8.jpg

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OK, I agree mostly, but....wait for it...the twist. The one you marked as DRG should be DRG/NIN!!! That totally looks NINtastic.

AND

I just noticed, the one you have marked as BLM/SMN...there is a big dagger in the front there...No caster sets I have seen, that I can remember, have weapons such as this and am at a loss as to who it would go to, BRD potentially, the one next to her that you said could be brd i think is BLM/SMN.

So in summary,
1st pic left to right:

Monk ------ PLD/WAR ------ DRG/NIN

2nd pic left to right

WHM/SCH ------ BRD ------ BLM/SMN

/discuss

Monk. And if I'm wrong about it I'll discard my monk gear.

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Originally Posted by Synestr

So in summary,
1st pic left to right:

Monk ------ PLD/WAR ------ DRG/NIN

2nd pic left to right

WHM/SCH ------ BRD ------ BLM/SMN

/discuss

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I almost agree with both of you except:
1st pic left to right:

Monk/NIN ------ PLD/WAR ------ DRG

2nd pic left to right

WHM/SCH ------ BRD ------ BLM/SMN

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Originally Posted by Mardel

I almost agree with both of you except:
1st pic left to right:

Monk/NIN ------ PLD/WAR ------ DRG

2nd pic left to right

WHM/SCH ------ BRD ------ BLM/SMN

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I agree - I believe that this setup is more likely.

I see it as well, the first pic with the Roe in wrapped hands is definitely a MNK, for punchies and all. Why would a NIN be so uncovered? The NIN in the trailer was wearing a cloth/metal combination. Hence my belief that #3 in pic one is DRG/NIN. Can't wait to find out!!!

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Originally Posted by Synestr

I see it as well, the first pic with the Roe in wrapped hands is definitely a MNK, for punchies and all. Why would a NIN be so uncovered? The NIN in the trailer was wearing a cloth/metal combination. Hence my belief that #3 in pic one is DRG/NIN. Can't wait to find out!!!

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The roe in pic 1 is in the gear that Rogue has been advertised in for ages (just dyed a different colour) Rogue is the base class for ninja so im assuming people are saying its mnk/nin based on that.

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Originally Posted by Synestr

Why would a NIN be so uncovered?

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Because that's a recolor of some of the green/white gear they've been showing Rogues in and and Ninjas are Rogues.
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p....png?bf8096dv1
(Beaten to it, not surprisingly, while I got distracted for ten minutes looking at pictures of things.)

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Originally Posted by Bixby

Because that's a recolor of some of the green/white gear they've been showing Rogues in and and Ninjas are Rogues.
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p....png?bf8096dv1
(Beaten to it, not surprisingly, while I got distracted for ten minutes looking at pictures of things.)

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Exactly. That has Rogue/Ninja written all over it.

Let me get this straight, BRD could have a dagger but not BLM/SMN? A BRD robe seems less likely than a caster with a dagger.

I really hope the far right isn't caster, it's terrible. Then again, the caster SOL gear is worse so... Who knows.

Likely, and the video shows even more likely that Ninja is sharing gear sets with Monk. I will love it if this happens. Would only need the HA daggers to be caught up once I hit Ninja to 50, assuming they share gear even in Coils.

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Originally Posted by nugglets

Let me get this straight, BRD could have a dagger but not BLM/SMN? A BRD robe seems less likely than a caster with a dagger.

I really hope the far right isn't caster, it's terrible. Then again, the caster SOL gear is worse so... Who knows.

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Someone didn't do coil 2. You would take note that bard used a red colored version of the blm robe.

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Originally Posted by nugglets

Let me get this straight, BRD could have a dagger but not BLM/SMN? A BRD robe seems less likely than a caster with a dagger.

I really hope the far right isn't caster, it's terrible. Then again, the caster SOL gear is worse so... Who knows.

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The thing I feel is wrong with the middle one being guessed as BRD is that it just... doesn't look like something a Bard would wear. At all. Heck, it looks similar to the i80 caster and healer top from 4-mans if anything.

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Originally Posted by Mardel

Someone didn't do coil 2. You would take note that bard used a red colored version of the blm robe.

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I've done plenty of coil 2, tyvm. My point was that if ONE was getting a robe and not the other, the likely one would be the class that wore robes for every other gearset except SOL.

That said, upon looking further... the healer and the far right person have the same gloves/arm-puff crap. So, it probably is more terrible caster gear.

Should probably add that the far right, top armor most likely to be drg is essentially the Ares set from ffxi. Really dont see nin using heavy armor like that. I'm wondering if there's some usukane armor that square isnt showing till patch day seeing as how both koenig and ares are being reused for ffxiv.

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Originally Posted by nugglets

Let me get this straight, BRD could have a dagger but not BLM/SMN?

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Exactly this! Sometimes the gear has useless accessories tied to them that might appear they use it for another purpose.

Like the BLM AF gear has a book attached to the side, but they aren't an Arcanist.
And the WHM AF robe has a duck on the side, but they aren't .... uhhhhh...

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Except that FFXIV defines DEX as a ranged damage attribute only, which is why only Bard uses it. They would have to re-define DEX for it to share gear.

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Not saying this will happen, but it wouldn't be very difficult to add a line that says "... and dual-wield damage."

Traditional in ff there have been some blms that carry daggers and it looks like casting gear, not like a brd gear

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Originally Posted by Shadowedge

Not saying this will happen, but it wouldn't be very difficult to add a line that says "... and dual-wield damage."

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and i will ask you something, why modify the rule of the game instead to simply put rogue with monk? i means a ninja is a swift and nimble like a monk, not precise like a bard... another point, the bard armor so far are soo bad for the ninja... without forget one of the most important point that will make any fan of FF furious... the fuma set of CT is a str stuff for monk... but at the base it's a ninja armor!

I think it will be

MNK - - TANK - - DRG
HEAL - - BRD/NIN - - CASTER

Or:
BRD/NIN -- TANK - - DRG
HEAL - - MNK - - CASTER

I still feel DEX is getting a description change with the patch, and Aiming accessories are getting renamed too

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Originally Posted by PArcher

I think it will be

MNK - - TANK - - DRG
HEAL - - BRD/NIN - - CASTER

I still feel DEX is getting a description change with the patch, and Aiming accessories are getting renamed too

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How can you not think the top left one is Rogue/Ninja? Its a color palette armor of the same exact attire the Rogue is getting promoted in. Sounds like a lot also just to put a melee in a DEX category just for the sake of doing something different, which isn't necessary at all. STR is fine.

http://i4.minus.com/izl3yUCduRZAX.jpg

Second and third set are awfully similar to the Koenig and Ares set in FFXI.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...0px-Koenig.pnghttp://www.bg-wiki.com/images/thumb/...#39;sArmor.JPG

Rogue/Ninja is a physical melee DPS class, so my money's on them using Strength as their primary stat and sharing gear type with PUG/MNK (ninja in heavy armor makes no sense).

There is an outside chance Dexterity could be redefined depending on class/job, though. On the one hand, there is only one physical ranged job so it seems like a waste of a stat to have it exclusive to Archers/Bards (they could alter the meaning of Dex to pertain to "finesse" attacks). On the other hand, unless there is some need to make this change or they have plans for other classes that will use this, there is not really a practical reason to change it up.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

Rogue/Ninja is a physical melee DPS class, so my money's on them using Strength as their primary stat and sharing gear type with PUG/MNK (ninja in heavy armor makes no sense).

There is an outside chance Dexterity could be redefined depending on class/job, though. On the one hand, there is only one physical ranged job so it seems like a waste of a stat to have it exclusive to Archers/Bards (they could alter the meaning of Dex to pertain to "finesse" attacks). On the other hand, unless there is some need to make this change or they have plans for other classes that will use this, there is not really a practical reason to change it up.

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I am very sure Archer/Bard will not be the only job on this game's entirety to share Aiming sets. Musketeer itself is a gun using class and would fit just fine in the DEX category.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

Rogue/Ninja is a physical melee DPS class, so my money's on them using Strength as their primary stat and sharing gear type with PUG/MNK (ninja in heavy armor makes no sense).

There is an outside chance Dexterity could be redefined depending on class/job, though. On the one hand, there is only one physical ranged job so it seems like a waste of a stat to have it exclusive to Archers/Bards (they could alter the meaning of Dex to pertain to "finesse" attacks). On the other hand, unless there is some need to make this change or they have plans for other classes that will use this, there is not really a practical reason to change it up.

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The problem is there is no description that can logically only apply to rog/nin and not monk.

Finesse, agillity, precision, whatever you want to use, to a section of the install base it will always appear like it should also apply to monk. Then when you start throwing new players into the mix with this idea you start getting issues.

More dex classes will come, but changing the stat description to balance the class for the sake of a few months sounds silly to me.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

http://i4.minus.com/izl3yUCduRZAX.jpg

Second and third set are awfully similar to the Koenig and Ares set in FFXI.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...0px-Koenig.pnghttp://www.bg-wiki.com/images/thumb/...#39;sArmor.JPG

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There are so similar I wouldn't even be surprised if they had the same name.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I am very sure Archer/Bard will not be the only job on this game's entirety to share Aiming sets. Musketeer itself is a gun using class and would fit just fine in the DEX category.

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Exactly. We could see Musketeer/Gunner, Machinist, some other offshoot from Archer. Chemists/Alchemists use guns in FFT/FFX-2 also. All comes down to how soon they plan on implementing anything like these, if at all.

Like I said, redefining Dex is an outside chance -- it is a possibility if they don't think possible ranged physical classes are enough to warrant a whole stat, and they want to use Strength for other things they have more solid plans for.

Oh ho, I missed you Ares set.

If NIN get more Str than Def, then Monk gear
If NIN get more Def than Str, then DRG gear

I cant wait for patch notes to shut up all the ninja dex people.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

How can you not think the top left one is Rogue/Ninja? Its a color palette armor of the same exact attire the Rogue is getting promoted in. Sounds like a lot also just to put a melee in a DEX category just for the sake of doing something different, which isn't necessary at all. STR is fine.

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That's all the more reason to think it isn't for Rogue/Ninja, really. The following gearsets share skins with eachother off the top of my head:

ST: MNK + DRG; SCH/WHM + BLM/SMN
CT: SCH/WHM + BLM/SMN
SOL: MNK + BRD
HA: BRD + BLM/SMN; MNK + DRG
i80: SCH/WHM + BLM/SMN; MNK + BRD

So then why couldn't the top left set be a reskin of the rogue gear for another class/job? It's also not a direct color palette swap as the top left set is missing the eye mask.

With that said I think it's:

MNK - Tank - DRG
Healer - BRD - Caster

The top left could be MNK or MNK/NIN; Bottom middle could be BRD or BRD/NIN. I say this because bottom middle has purple earrings and that's usually indicative of DEX, the tank is wearing yellow earrings which usually means VIT and the top left appears to have a red+gold ring on his right (our left) hand which is usually indicative of STR. The body armor also looks like less of a typical robe and more of a tenchcoat to me.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Except that FFXIV defines DEX as a ranged damage attribute only, which is why only Bard uses it. They would have to re-define DEX for it to share gear.

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Which they can do considering its a content patch and not just a hotfix.
Agility=Dexterity.

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Originally Posted by Whiston

Exactly this! Sometimes the gear has useless accessories tied to them that might appear they use it for another purpose.

Like the BLM AF gear has a book attached to the side, but they aren't an Arcanist.
And the WHM AF robe has a duck on the side, but they aren't .... uhhhhh...

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Foestriker's Tabard has a shot pouch and powder horn on the back. All DoW confirmed for Musketeer.

Rogue's traits were added to the game in 2.28, and there are DEX increases. http://xivdb.com/?search/!patch-Patch2.28

Knife PBAoE Up
Combo B1 Up
Increases poison damage
Increased TP Regeneration
20% more damage from next poison
Increased movement speed
Reduced Fall Damage
Reduced movement speed penalty when in stealth
Increased effect fro mmixed poisons

And 3 Dexterity up traits learned at levels 8, 16 and 24.

Traits were there since 2.3 or older. And Yoshida said nothing was set on stone yet as he didn't want anyone to build up gear for ninja until it's released.