Rank Rant.

I know many have gotten max rank when pvp was at its prime, but now its just to darn slow and the rank system is just killing it. Its just unneeded and makes pvp not as accessable as you may believe.

Strip the ranks, do something else like having a weekly cap on a different mark to make the best gear something obtainable slowly over time and not have it all in your inventory and spend hours on hours, days and days just to finally get to a rank to use it.

I for one would rather get my gear slowly, seeing a cap that would entice me to reach it on a weekly basis. reg marks can be tone down and gained as much as we please but having a capped mark is just much better. I do not want to spend 40 min or more waiting, unable to do trails or other small things in between because pvp and pve share the same queue. Its just to darn long to even think about ever seeing rank 40 any time soon even if frontlines is the way to go.

I totally agree, I was telling my friends the 3 things PVP is missing that PVE has. First, Long term reason to do it. People want that 115, they want to beat coil. Second, the gear grind; PVP gear need to be on some cycle not just we will release it when we feel like it. Third Allied Seals need to be apart of PVP, and new mark must be give as an reward for PVP to keep the mixer coming back. Had Frontline had Allied Seals from the beginning given Allied Seals people would PVP. But lets not stop at FL. WD needs that as well.

Your bigger problem is once People Hit 40 where do they go, I know because of Matchmaking and fairness(hotfixes) a lot of my PVP friends not logging on to XIV all together.

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Originally Posted by RegentP

I totally agree,

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I did mention what has made wow's pvp successful. that weekly cap to get the best gear is what pushes people not the rank. you can go in and out of pvp at any time. just as blizzard has "borrowed" from other games (even from ff14) so should square. like i said it sucks to have gear you got but cannot use because of the huge grind sink that is the ranking system. its holding people back from giving ff14's pvp a chance.

Pvp in this game is indeed fun but its just that what to do now effect. and for those who are late bloomers that huge long time needed to catch up to the rest.

Too be Honest I didn't see you refer to WoW, but I understand; maybe at the end of the week all our worries will be gone and our prays will be answer, with Ranked PVP. and TBH I never played WOW, I played DCUO. While I wasn't a that Into DCUO PvP the reset will allow a late bloomer to join in and have fun Maybe 3.0 PVP will allow new comers to find the joy.

The ranking system is good as it is now. You can get a new piece of armor every 2 levels and every 4 a new skill/upgrade. Level 40 is good for the animal-gear because it will cause players to play more pvp so the whole pvp community benefits from it. In case you could get it way faster, people would just quit pvp even faster and this would end in even longer queue times for the rest.

Just deal with it. You cant get every Triple A item in this game after some hours like a free candy. People who want high allagan need to find a group and learn all nine fights and even then they have to hope for a drop. Possible in some hours? No.
People who want Warbear/Warlion mount have to play 200 extreme runs as tank. Possible in some hours? No, it takes weeks (if not months).

Its not a big deal to get 10.000 pvp experience during a week. Do this for 8 weeks, get your 25% bonus exp through challenge log and unlock your pvp gear. Thats it. No rant needed.

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

unfun Thats it. .

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No i wont deal with it. Its pointless and why just the last 10 lvls is when you can /get/ the gear. Its easy as hell to say hey deal with it, im ranked up already then trying to deal with it now. 40 to an hour queues and if you got a few hours a day you wont rank up for shit. other games have you get in and out and be competitive in the process, having a stat become utterly worthless within its own pvp is a sad siight to see in order to /keep/ competitiveness rendering the armor POINTLESS if you focus on frontlines. these are reasons why the rank system ff14 has does not work.

If you would have taken even some time to read the rant you are seeing im not asking for freebies. if not just being able to use something when i /have/ the points to buy it. not buy something and wait months of my time to even get to use it. Pointless.

wow did it right giving competetive gear and for those who focus on arenas a weekly cap to get better gear to where their position in the latter = being able to get gear faster but still need to work as hard to get their points. while people not so high would take a bit longer to gain the same gear even if they stay in the same position.

I can only get 2 or 3 pvp runs a day, forsaking me from doing dungeons and trails in between. Now you tell me, when ill even be remotely close to being able to use something that will probably be rendered obsolete next patch...

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Originally Posted by Shadowzanon

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Well for sure its easy to say. But what if i tell you that i am not on max rank at the moment. I am still on rank 33 and did start with pvp 1 1/2 months ago. I try to get around 10.000 exp each week (Thats around 30 fl games with challenge log). If you say you play 2-3 games a day and maybe a few more on weekend, you can still end with around the same exp per week then i do. And honestly, the PvP 40 gear is pure glamour for pve and so its not even close to be obsolete after the next patch. You cant tell me you want it for having slightly better pvp stats in wolfs den (since frontlines doesnt use morale) compared to the Level 90 stuff.

I will for sure need around 3-4 more weeks of playing frontlines. But as long as i enjoy to play frontlines its okay for me. You just have to keep playing for it, then one day you will get it. You can see something like this in every other online game. Let it be a special armor for max rank in Halo or idk a weapon in shooter xy where you have to play years to get it. Its a common way to bind very addicted players to a game so they always have something to work for (Even if it appears to be out of reach). And this part, is very important to almost every online game because players who have nothing to do anymore (Or stuff they can work for) will just quit the game and maybe never come back. And the PvP 40 Gear is currently the last reward you can get in PvP and because of this they made it so "out of reach".

And if you still think you dont have that much time at this moment to get it, just wait half a year and you will be surprised how fast you can get it (Because future PvP maps will give a lot more exp).

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I will for sure need around 3-4 more weeks of playing frontlines

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That the problem we are talking about now. If your Data center is friendly to your Grand company then FL is quick and easy to get in, but that is beside the fact we're mainly talking about wolf's Den. where once you get to a certain level its hard to find a match and can take hours to get in one. and you Say it will take 3-4 week, then what, you're just make it harder for us who want to PVP.

It took me 40 mins to get a que for WD, I mean wow; I collect 200+ Rosewood log and mahogany, and Button mushroom in that time. FML then another 20 mins for a second match. and then after a Hour of crafting I gave up. I ran 2 dungeons. with friends. If people stop PVPing once they Hit 40 then they should remove matchmaking.

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

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You dont get it. other games its work your way up get points, buy gear keep pushing, there is a ladder system to keep people /Interested/ and continue to pvp. DAOC gave benefits for the realm that preformed best, thus insentive to keep pvping.

In ff14 we get jack shit till rank 30 then by38 full armor which we had long ago rotting in our inventory. at 40 we can actually use the pvp wep. but then what. where do we go from there, nothing, no reason to continue, no ladder to climb to keep you competitive. theres NOTHING. the rank system just makes it worse. hit 38 to 40 you dont need to pvp anymore. its over. hence why its pointless. if there was a cap and a ladder system that allowed you to raise your cap every week, armor would take longer to buy due to the cap causing people to focus on 1 job, then have reasons to continue pvp if they desire a different class to focus on. gives those hardcore in pvp more to work for and those who have less time, enough to focus on one job and be competitive.

Sounds to me like some people just want the top tier pvp equipment without putting in the effort to earn gear which (love it or hate it) is very unique and distinctive, and if it weren't so they wouldn't want it. The problem isn't that the amount of exp needed to hit rank 38 for suit/40 for weapons is excessive- the problem is that players often have to wait too long in queue for each FL match. A lot of players have been conditioned to accept the long queues for various content but it's just not normal. Imagine playing tennis or something with a friend where after every set (of which there are several in a match) you had to drive for 45 min to a different tennis court, play another set, drive another 45 min, etc you would not accept that.

I look forward to playing this game after work, I want to actually be able to PLAY THE GAME, not WAIT TO PLAY THE GAME. We shouldn't just accept that because queues are long they should put the gear on fire sale and dilute the accomplishments of all those who got it up until then– they need to fix queueing so more instances are running and the people can do what they actually want- play the game, not kill time waiting and settling for doing an activity that's secondary to what they wanted.

Keep the rewards where they are, and adjust the system so that people can actually invest the effort in earning the rewards without all the wasted time waiting. Someone who's only goal is in doing pvp to get the best pvp gear, and then plans to quit when they have it doesn't deserve to wear that gear anyway.

Fix the queues, don't cheapen the accomplishments of those who did work through this.

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Originally Posted by Shadowzanon

I can only get 2 or 3 pvp runs a day, forsaking me from doing dungeons and trails in between. Now you tell me, when ill even be remotely close to being able to use something that will probably be rendered obsolete next patch...

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This is my situation. However instead of complaining on the forums I got home from work queued and played til I had to go to bed (so max 5 games a day) Took me more than 2 months from rank 18 to 39.
This is like the only gear in the game that you actually have to put in effort to get and please don't try to make this another freebie item like token gear already is

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

please don't try to make this another freebie item like token gear already is

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Oh no no that is not what im aiming for. just a different timesink, one that would make people wanna keep on pvping. not hit rank 40. got what they want and walk away,

i pvp because i enjoy it
idgaf about the gear or the rankings
if you dont enjoy pvp then dont do it
simple fact idiot
u want your r38/r40 pvp glamor then "work" for it
and be damn thankful u have frontlines to help you

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Originally Posted by Shadowzanon

No i wont deal with it.

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No changes says otherwise.

Quit crying on the forums and just PvP. As someone else said already, be glad you have Frontlines. Be glad.

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Originally Posted by ZzPixie

i pvp because i enjoy it
idgaf about the gear or the rankings
if you dont enjoy pvp then dont do it

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This! I never understood peoples that do pvp for gears and what not, to me point in pvp is to annoy the hell out of opponents to the point you will get hate tells from lvl1 alts, that is the reason why i play pvp :P

It has it's ups and downs at least for where I'm at. I understand the long wait times..40m is not too bad..i mean it's bad but just yesterday I ranked in a 200m wait. Only reason I realized is because I wanted to turn off my PS4 and forgot I was waiting. Got a lot of stuff done in the real world though!

Normally after weekly resets, If I do some hunts / dailies and DF up on FL I'll get a lot better chance than I do when the week goes on. Seems people do it for the challenge log and trail off.

They already removed morale, and kicked us pvpers that grinded wolves den in the face. They made it much quicker to rank up. They shouldn't make it any easier because you're unwilling to put in work OP.

While I agree that the system should remain a bit grindy, people gotta stop coming in here and talking about "pre-frontlines" life like win-trading in the wolfs den was any kind of "work".

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

This is my situation. However instead of complaining on the forums I got home from work queued and played til I had to go to bed (so max 5 games a day) Took me more than 2 months from rank 18 to 39.
This is like the only gear in the game that you actually have to put in effort to get and please don't try to make this another freebie item like token gear already is

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I got home from work and decided to type this response while in queue. Just because he's posting on the forums doesn't mean he isn't "actively" waiting in this dreadfully long queue.

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

Do this for 8 weeks, get your 25% bonus exp through challenge log and unlock your pvp gear. Thats it. No rant needed.

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25% bonus exp? How do you get that? Am I missing something? I see small bonuses for completing 3 wins or w/e, but no 25% EXP buff...

10 Frontline-Games are giving you 10% of your current needed exp for next rank. So lets say you need 5000 exp for next rank, then it will give you 500. 3 wins on Frontlines will also give you the additional 15%. That makes 25%. And because the same happens to wolfs den, you can even get 50% if you complete all four pvp challenge logs.

But actually wolfs challenge log is only worth doing if you only go for the 3 wins (10 games takes to long) and you have to be rank 28+ and on top of that you should try to win 3 out of 4 games. Otherwise you would just waste your time on less exp compared to just doing frontlines.

Yea, your bonus is most likely quite small and around 50/80, but thats only because your next rank only needs idk 500 total exp or something. Most people dont know that (As of now i can get 1.024 pvp exp after 3 fl wins and 684 more for 10 games).

264 for 7 FL games. 396 for 3 frontline wins. (this is what it shows for me atm)

Do the FL bonuses reset separately from wolfs den? I have yet to do wolfs den (not that I haven't tried, que time went over an hour and said forget it) I hope they do >.<

Hm, i dont understand how you mean it. They dont affect each other. But ya, as you said the queues for wolfs den are even more horrible as frontline queues and so on you should wait with the wolfs den challenge logs until you are near rank 30 and you should be sure to win 3 out of 4 games. That can be done by playing a healer with tank accessories. Because then you always have a good healer in your group because you are playing it by yourself wich leads to an higher win chance.

For the rank restriction you are missing one of the reason i first did. Retainers they can wear unranked gear, but not ranked gear. Next any unranked stuff is desynthable I am not sure how that works. Finally the grind isnt so bad. You need to talk to people from your server/data center get a ls find when the ques are short for frontlines. It is less then 300 matches with a 40% win ratio from rank 1 to 40. Not sure about wolves den, I don't do arena only games base pvp.

Also the amount of xp from challenge log chages as you level up its based on rank so number will get bigger.

It's SE's way of helping queue times for the moment. If players don't need rank 40 to get the Ilvl 100 set now there's a good chance there willing to queue again for another week or two to get the gear w/o needing 500+hrs of grinding to wear it.

At least this should help the pvp queue timers for a few weeks, we'll see.