Can we get rid of elemental materia already?

Now that the demand for secondary stat materia is so high, what is the benefit of artificially boosting their scarcity with elemental materias?

I cannot think of a single positive way that elemental materia affects the economy.
The only people who benefit from this are gil sellers and people running bots.

If there was no junk then the value of the good ones would not be there, just look at the crafting and gathering. You should think harder.

Dear god no. What are you supposed to meld onto your equipment to speed up spirit bonding? It hard enough trying beat other crafters to the market board for "junk" materia.

Exactly. The value of 2 out of 16 possible conversions is wildly more inflated than the more balanced conversions of DoH/DoL materias.

The existence of the elemental materias drives people away from spirit bonding what they need for their relics and drives up the price for those that wish to purchase what they need.

A 2 stat relic weapon shouldn't cost more than an FC house.

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Originally Posted by Ulyte

Dear god no. What are you supposed to meld onto your equipment to speed up spirit bonding? It hard enough trying beat other crafters to the market board for "junk" materia.

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I dunno.. Maybe unneeded main stat materia and all those cp1 and ss1 materia laying around? How would that not be more balanced?

Materia markets on some DCs are wildly out of whack if materia costs rival House costs. SE needs to balance this somehow.

When there are a few hundred other crafters online grabbing the level 1 and 2 materials for their own use or to sell on crafts those disappear fast. I've gone to the market board before to find all level one and two materia above 1500-3000 when the average for junk is 500. If you remove the elemental materia that's what, 35 types from circulation. Your logic is sound but my in game wallet shot down my my agreement (she's cold but fair, to me anyway).

I would rather them make elemental resistance more powerful so people might actually consider using them.

I think it's just a means to prevent you from always getting something good. You could have a system where you have a chance to convert an item to a materia with there also being a chance to fail. Or you have the system we have, where you always 100% convert an item to materia, but with a chance of getting something crappy. With either system it balances it out with some amount of RNG to make certain items rarer than others. Hey, I'm not saying it's a good thing, but that's how I see it.

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Originally Posted by Ulyte

When there are a few hundred other crafters online grabbing the level 1 and 2 materials for their own use or to sell on crafts those disappear fast. I've gone to the market board before to find all level one and two materia above 1500-3000 when the average for junk is 500. If you remove the elemental materia that's what, 35 types from circulation. Your logic is sound but my in game wallet shot down my my agreement (she's cold but fair, to me anyway).

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The amount of total spiribonding required to obtain specific materia would drop significantly. The value of "junk" materia would go up not only due to it's usefulness to speeding up bonding, but also increase the chance of getting valuable materia out of transmutation.

Seems to me that it would overall balance the values of materia and bring in more people to spiritbond their own with the reduction in time required to farm specific types.

I said it multiple times before but I wish they would just rework the elemental materia instead of a resistance materia to an enhancement materia like in FFVII. Now, I am not trying to go all FFVII Fanboy here but I didn't implement the materia system, I just think they should make use of what they have.

In FFVII you could add the element to the armour or arm by combining it with an "Add Element" materia. However, it wouldn't be good to add that to the game and rather they should just add the element regardless. So, with this, if you add Fire Enhancement materia to a weapon, it would give it fire damage, if you add it to armour or accessories, it would act as an elemental resistance. With this though, it would be nice to actually have a glowing effect for once, or not so much glowing but an elemental effect on the weapon like a fire sword, spear, shield etc. or even something with Lightining bolts.

The greater the materia enhancement, the greater the visual elemental effect. This would be particularly nice if it could then be used as a glamour. Although certain weapons, like the crafted primal weapons might have be unaffected visually by the materia.

it's more the whole materia system is a relic from the V1, they only did change the spirit bonding speed and the fact we don't loose the item anymore when we fail. exept this, it's still the same system.

the whole materia system need to be changed for make it more interesting and more important work with the actual ilevel system. elemental materia are not the only one that have close to no utility, main stats one too can be almost junk.
i remember yoshida saying they plan to change the system, but i still wait to see what they will do with.

Crap materia like that is good for spirit bonding and desynthesizing.

How else would you beat the Primals? Cmon!

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Originally Posted by Zagam

If there was no junk then the value of the good ones would not be there, just look at the crafting and gathering. You should think harder.

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I think that's the point

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Originally Posted by DefendPopPunk

I think it's just a means to prevent you from always getting something good. You could have a system where you have a chance to convert an item to a materia with there also being a chance to fail. Or you have the system we have, where you always 100% convert an item to materia, but with a chance of getting something crappy. With either system it balances it out with some amount of RNG to make certain items rarer than others. Hey, I'm not saying it's a good thing, but that's how I see it.

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The issue is there's a difference between not always getting something good, and consistently getting something useless and terrible.
Dropping the elementals still leave other not "good" but relatively useful materia like primary stat materia

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

The issue is there's a difference between not always getting something good, and consistently getting something useless and terrible.
Dropping the elementals still leave other not "good" but relatively useful materia like primary stat materia

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Are you sure? It sounds like the OP is talking about artificially creating scarcity by having crappy materias that come from converting items. Which is what I was talking about...

You can't say for certain that everyone is getting bad items consistently, but the mere fact that they do get bad items creates the rarity we're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Bucy

Materia markets on some DCs are wildly out of whack if materia costs rival House costs. SE needs to balance this somehow.

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yeah, they would triple the housing costs that novus gets cheaper

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

I would rather them make elemental resistance more powerful so people might actually consider using them.

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I was thinking the same thing, like you could have gear sets for specific dungeons or primals. As it stands, all elemental materia does for me is speed up the spiritbond process.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

yeah, they would triple the housing costs that novus gets cheaper

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Oh they could let you move into your Novus