There is a great blight that has befallen the land far and wide. It is dreadful and frightening, and whenever encountered horrible deaths follow.
I speak, of course, of horrible players wearing the wrong accessories, lowering their performance by simply wearing the wrong gear. Not only that, but it is a symptom of a complete lack of understanding of how the game works. Primary stat is king.
STR is for ONLY the following: MNK, DRG, WAR*, PLD*
DEX is for ONLY the following: BRD
VIT** is for ONLY the following: WAR, PLD
INT is for ONLY the following: SMN, BLM
MND is for ONLY the following: WHM, SCH
*Do not attempt to use only STR accessories on anything harder than Garuda Ex unless you're experienced and outgear the content.
**Pentamelded i90 notwithstanding.
***Post made before Ninja is released with a TBD primary stat.
This is it. This is how the game works. Doing anything other than the above is WRONG and anyone who does deserves to be kicked out of the party for demonstrating a complete lack of respect for the people matched via DF, since anyone who wears DEX on DRG doesn't care about their own performance and only want to be carried. This puts an increased burden on the rest of the party to pick up the slack from someone who doesn't contribute at all. Because it isn't only wearing the wrong gear - people who do this also have no clue on how to do anything since they are demonstrating a fundamental lack of knowledge about basic game mechanics that one needs to understand before getting anywhere else.
It doesn’t matter if it is a new player. This is something you learn before you can even unlock DF at level 15 by simply reading the character menu when you first go to allocate your bonus stat points. It follows that you would then read what each stat does then pick the correct one. If there was any uncertainty, there are plenty of ways to check, the simplest one being the i55 rings awarded from hunting log.
I’m also not talking about lowbie dungeons. This is even a problem in extreme primals, Turn 5, etc. I encountered this almost every run when doing way too many Turn 4 for my bear mount. It was rare to get a run where everyone was properly geared, and to the surprise of no one, these runs were the smoothest.
This also isn’t being elitist. There is a bare minimum level of competence required before you can clear content past a certain point, and part of that is knowing what gear to choose. This line is usually drawn at Titan HM, which is backed up by experience in Trial Roulette where parties will have no issue with Ifrit/Garuda but fail on Titan half the time since you will probably need at least half of the party to not be completely terrible to clear.
The most serious problem of this scourge is that the players who do this are the first ones to start crying that content is too hard and should be made easier, and they also bring down everyone grouped with them making it harder to win in the first place. This is an MMO, your performance affects not only yourself but the success of your entire party. When you hit queue in DF, you are making a commitment to put forth genuine effort to work towards clearing the battle – and the first step of that is wearing the right accessories.
PSA: The scourge of Eorzea
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10-10-2014, 11:29 AMEllatrixPSA: The scourge of Eorzea
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10-10-2014, 11:35 AMClarkamite
Are you sure? This can't be a serious topic.
I'll just leave this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUuBQ7VPug
You tell me if he is being "carried" by his group. I'm pretty sure he's not only doing his job, but he's bringing even more to the table here. Last time I checked T9 was much higher than Garuda Ex.
Skill over gear. -
10-10-2014, 11:40 AMEllatrixThis guy is in my static and I'm probably in a few of those clips. I also never said don't use STR/Ruby on tanks (situational choice based on experience with the content), try reading. Please try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarkamite
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10-10-2014, 11:40 AMDwillActually, you need a good mix of both. The most skillfull person won't meet the DPS check of T8 in i80 but someone in i110 can still fail to meet it if they lack the proper skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarkamite
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10-10-2014, 11:45 AMSparktacus
To be fair poster said experienced and outgeared for said content, which the user of that youtube video clearly is. Also, as it stands, wouldn't tank be the only clear exception where there is leeway. However, ACN is the odd duck out in this scenario as no one can tell you what to do there. Some main spec smn (like I do) or sch and some split it even or any other combination they prefer to which no one can say they are wrong since SE forced a choice by having only one class branch into 2 jobs.
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10-10-2014, 11:46 AMSeraviEdalborezMost skillful person is going to be in higher than i80 by virtue of having played enough to be skilled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwill
Accessory choice, not bonus stat choice. A SMN with 30 MND doesn't matter. Not like you can see that. A SMN wearing all healer accessories (or a SCH wearing all caster accessories) however is an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparktacus
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10-10-2014, 11:49 AMDwillThat's indeed true. My example was merely to illustrate that gear does matter to a degree, no matter the skill level.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez
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10-10-2014, 11:51 AMClarkamite
Indeed but if I had to choose between two people, one who was massively skilled but had gimp gear and one who couldn't do his job to save his life but was rocking i110 soldiery pieces I would still choose the skilled player. You can always get gear later.
@Ellatrix What am I trying? I have yet to see this problem that you see. I never see SMN's running around wearing Daystar gear so maybe people are your server are just goons. I just merely wanted to point out that just because you have a bad experience with people not knowing their role doesn't necessarily mean people wearing gear other than their "main stat" means they can't do content. -
10-10-2014, 11:51 AMSparktacusAh yes my bad oops, but I guess it could be [slightly] related.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez
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10-10-2014, 12:18 PMThaldor
Just because you say it's not being elitist does not change the fact that it reads that way. Yes people get assigned a job when queuing for DF and in a lot of cases it helps with the success of the dungeon. But have you thought about asking why they chose to do it that way?
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10-10-2014, 12:21 PMVinrokeNo, what OP is describing isn't elitist. Equipping the right gear for you current job is basic reading comprehensionQuote:
Originally Posted by Thaldor
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10-10-2014, 12:34 PMThaldorThanks for your feedback... I guess having taken a break and returned to this great game I am still in the phase where I think that by the time people reached the end game where it matters they have worked out they like to set up their gear and there are reasons behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinroke
We all can dream! -
10-10-2014, 12:40 PMAlukahThe current system allows very little customization, other than tanks switching STR/VIT gear there's no reason for a SMN to use DEX gear or a DRG to use MND, or any class to use crafter/gatherer gear, though this one was thankfully killed by SE's new SB rules/requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thaldor
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10-10-2014, 01:27 PMAmetrine
Wasn't this a large part of why Vanity gear was implemented? Just so we could wear pretty gear we liked and also wear whatever we own that has stats proper for our class/job?
But I agree. By virtue of gaining the skill and experience on said endgame content, you should be outfitted for such just by the rewards of mastering said content. Otherwise, you are just making it harder on yourself and your party. -
10-10-2014, 01:38 PMAlexander_Dragonfang
Just by saying "horrible players" and describing this like if it was a plague, a dissease, something to get rid off almost like ebola, makes this thread completely elitist. And is not about content of the message, but how is delivered and how any normal person, specially the ones you are aiming for will read it, if anything, this encourages players to just keep doing this with the hope of just pissing people like you off, which is, at the end of the day, probably more satisfactory for them than progressing throught content.
Seriously, if you want to evade having to see this, don`t use DF, get a group of the people you are comfortable with and let players play like they want. Most DF content is almost 2 man carriable anyway. And ranting about it, trying to do lectured about it, is just... Well, truth is, good players TEACH and good players LEARN, first by having a good positive attitude and the seconds by wanting to improve everyday. Nor you nor players who really never cared fit in this group and both are just diferent faces of the same coin. A negative coin sadly way to deep in our community. -
10-10-2014, 02:17 PMPArcher
There's three reasons I can think of why a competent/good player will equip accessories not for their job.
1) Spiritbonding. It happens, I know, but if you're in a dungeon, please have as much job-related SB gear on...don't care what you do at Urth's or in an overworld Castrum
2) Using another accessory to get into a PF they just miss the ilv req for. Not saying this is right or wrong, but if you are good enough and just miss the req I probably would never know you cheated it. But, if you aren't good enough and are found out...
3) Trolling.
Now, sometimes people will do weird runs and the like, but as long as its with a pre-formed group or static its fine. Going with randoms is closer to trolling
Just for reference, I'm a WAR and I use some STR accessories in most content (T9 and progression I go full VIT accessories; overworld anything and lowbie [Cutter's Cry and earlier] dungeons I have full STR accessories) and have a 20/10 STR/VIT attribute split. So I am someone who is "breaking the mold" for this part of the game.
Just going to say, SMN cannot equip Daystar left side, and the right side look exactly like Evenstar. You'd have to be gear-checking everyone (and mousing over every Sol accessory) to figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarkamite
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10-10-2014, 04:12 PMClarkamiteI was just using that as an example. I know SMN's can't equip Daystar left side that's like MMO 101. I was referring to accessories and saying I don't see a DRG running around wearing casting gear or whatever other job/class combo you can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by PArcher
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10-10-2014, 06:04 PMEllatrixYou must not touch DF because I see this every day, or else I would not have made a thread on it. We're also in the same data center, so I know they must exist in your queue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarkamite
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10-10-2014, 06:54 PMStarvaldPlayers who cannot comprehend the message in the OP's post or just mis-gear because of trolling have no place in any decent group. If you want to troll because you like pissing people off, get prepared for a buttkick out of the group. If you do not even understand the simplest rules about gear progression and stats which is clearly described in your character sheet, then maybe that game is not for you. Granted, I do tell people when I see that they have the wrong stats skilled....but if you still don't believe it or refuse to get educated about it...bye bye. (You is used as a general term of addressing in my post....not you specifically)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
Keeping a positive attitude about a complete fail in understanding only goes so far....I am generally quite forgiving towards new players and try to teach them but it piles up and my patience is running thing on some days. Moreover, I can at least expect a will to learn and not total ignorance about game mechanics. -
10-10-2014, 06:54 PMMahri
Nah.
Level with whatever you want. Dump 10k seals (pocket change) to maximize your stats at level 50 for optimal endgame results. Even so, a point of something else here or there isn't going to make much difference unless you're highly particular about optimization. -
10-10-2014, 07:09 PMAnurabisI've seen his accesoires aaand he used Vitality materia and therefore their defensive stats are almost equal to Itemlvl 90 gearQuote:
Originally Posted by Clarkamite
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10-10-2014, 07:11 PMAmelia_Pond_BehemothNothing wrong with getting rid of horrible players. If they are willing to take advice, and take suggestions, we get rid of a horrible player, because they no longer are one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
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10-10-2014, 07:28 PMCGMidlanderWith myth raining from the heavens, ST's ease of access, and i90 gear being so cheap with allied seals (You get 50 seals from just the weekly mark alone) I can't really see "just missing the ilvl requirement" being a genuine issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by PArcher
Trolling is something you do for laughs with your FC, static, LS'...etc. (People whom you have familiarity with)
Trolling random people in DF however, is inconsiderate and selfish. -
10-10-2014, 08:08 PMGralna
I have two gear sets for my smn and sch, one with their highest ilvl equips for role, and a "summoning" gear set with all vit accessories. Equip the summoning gear set at start of duty/trial, summon egi/fairy, then back to my role appropriate gear.
This is only other circumstance beside overgeared tanks I can see for anyone legitimately using gear not intended for their role. -
10-10-2014, 08:13 PMDwill
This will work for scholar but for summoner, as soon as you'll use Spur, the Egi will snapshot your current stats therefore nullifying the gain.
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10-10-2014, 08:37 PMSinisterIsBackIf you catch anyone other than a warrior/pld not in main stat gear it should be the first red flag that said person is an idiot. There is absolutely no reason for anyone other than the 2 listed above to have some other main stat piece on.... period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarkamite
Spiritbonding you say? I can tolerate some non main stat spiritbond gear, but the fact remains there are SB gear for every main stat... craft the crap for the job you are using. -
10-10-2014, 08:53 PMSeraviEdalborez
Seeing a full myth hero with an extra myth ring (Casting+Healing on casters/healers, Slaying+Aiming/Fending on DRGs, etc) is literally an everyday occurrence. It's pretty disappointing when I have to tell someone who has cleared Turn 6 for the first time that, yes, their i70 DEX ring on BRD is going to be a lot more useful than the i100 STR ring they wore to clear it.
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10-10-2014, 10:18 PMLineageRazor
A lot of folks simple can't seem to believe that stats are as simple as they are in this game. Perhaps they, like myself, came here from Final Fantasty XI, where it seemed like every stat had half a dozen hidden effects that were rarely spelled-out in game (such as VIT giving a minor boost to curing spells). They just can't seem to believe that wearing a ring with 30 DEX on a MNK is exactly equivalent to wearing a ring with 0 DEX. It has stats, stats must be doing something! They're stats, stats don't just do nothing!!1!
Yes, they do. They do nothing.
Prepare to cringe at the impending influx of Rogues and Ninjas decked head to toe in DEX gear, because c'mon, Rogues and Ninjas are DEXTROUS! Dex has GOTTA do something great for them, right? Prepare also for the incoming flood of people who will SWEAR their critical hit rate went up by five percent ever since they started wearing DEX gear instead of STR. Nevermind that their crits are now doing half the damage their regular hits were before... -
10-10-2014, 11:49 PMMardel
I agree, not only this but to stop people from being stupid lazy.
Example:
I had a person on one of my final bard books the other day doing straight shot only. They also had wrong accessories on and had an atma weapon, after kindly asking them to do other skills besides straight shot (like dot or actually use buffs). They asked me to please shut up. (funny that was the last 2 seconds they ever spoke because they got booted lol)
If people want to spiritbind JUNK gear, do it with a friend group or solo outside. The burden may not seem like much if you are in a group with some friends with strong backs, but this burden becomes worse when the pt is full DF. -
10-10-2014, 11:58 PMIgnnis
Had a monk in HM using crafting accessories, asked her to remove them and she didn't, it was a very long and painful run (no positioning, was in mage gear too, just ugh (she wasn't new, she had like 6 lvl 50s)).
I noticed that PLD and WAR are recommended to use STR accessories now and so far Ive seen a mixed bag of results from this, had a tank in Hullbreaker that couldn't keep agro on anything but one monster (first boss beat me to death) and tanks that were absolutely fine on huge pulls. Gear is useful but skill is more useful in some cases. -
10-11-2014, 12:11 AMWoggersThe other day I saw a 50 DRG with every right side accessory was i90 DEX pieces. On top of that he didn't have a Lvl 50 BRD... I was like 'wtf?!?' And ran away. Just because you haven't seen/caught/noticed doesn't mean it doesn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarkamite