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    Ellatrix Reatori
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    PSA: The scourge of Eorzea

    There is a great blight that has befallen the land far and wide. It is dreadful and frightening, and whenever encountered horrible deaths follow.

    I speak, of course, of horrible players wearing the wrong accessories, lowering their performance by simply wearing the wrong gear. Not only that, but it is a symptom of a complete lack of understanding of how the game works. Primary stat is king.

    STR is for ONLY the following: MNK, DRG, WAR*, PLD*
    DEX is for ONLY the following: BRD
    VIT** is for ONLY the following: WAR, PLD
    INT is for ONLY the following: SMN, BLM
    MND is for ONLY the following: WHM, SCH

    *Do not attempt to use only STR accessories on anything harder than Garuda Ex unless you're experienced and outgear the content.
    **Pentamelded i90 notwithstanding.
    ***Post made before Ninja is released with a TBD primary stat.

    This is it. This is how the game works. Doing anything other than the above is WRONG and anyone who does deserves to be kicked out of the party for demonstrating a complete lack of respect for the people matched via DF, since anyone who wears DEX on DRG doesn't care about their own performance and only want to be carried. This puts an increased burden on the rest of the party to pick up the slack from someone who doesn't contribute at all. Because it isn't only wearing the wrong gear - people who do this also have no clue on how to do anything since they are demonstrating a fundamental lack of knowledge about basic game mechanics that one needs to understand before getting anywhere else.

    It doesn’t matter if it is a new player. This is something you learn before you can even unlock DF at level 15 by simply reading the character menu when you first go to allocate your bonus stat points. It follows that you would then read what each stat does then pick the correct one. If there was any uncertainty, there are plenty of ways to check, the simplest one being the i55 rings awarded from hunting log.

    I’m also not talking about lowbie dungeons. This is even a problem in extreme primals, Turn 5, etc. I encountered this almost every run when doing way too many Turn 4 for my bear mount. It was rare to get a run where everyone was properly geared, and to the surprise of no one, these runs were the smoothest.

    This also isn’t being elitist. There is a bare minimum level of competence required before you can clear content past a certain point, and part of that is knowing what gear to choose. This line is usually drawn at Titan HM, which is backed up by experience in Trial Roulette where parties will have no issue with Ifrit/Garuda but fail on Titan half the time since you will probably need at least half of the party to not be completely terrible to clear.

    The most serious problem of this scourge is that the players who do this are the first ones to start crying that content is too hard and should be made easier, and they also bring down everyone grouped with them making it harder to win in the first place. This is an MMO, your performance affects not only yourself but the success of your entire party. When you hit queue in DF, you are making a commitment to put forth genuine effort to work towards clearing the battle – and the first step of that is wearing the right accessories.
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    Are you sure? This can't be a serious topic.

    I'll just leave this here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUuBQ7VPug

    You tell me if he is being "carried" by his group. I'm pretty sure he's not only doing his job, but he's bringing even more to the table here. Last time I checked T9 was much higher than Garuda Ex.

    Skill over gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarkamite View Post
    Are you sure? This can't be a serious topic.

    I'll just leave this here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUuBQ7VPug

    You tell me if he is being "carried" by his group. I'm pretty sure he's not only doing his job, but he's bringing even more to the table here. Last time I checked T9 was much higher than Garuda Ex.

    Skill over gear.
    This guy is in my static and I'm probably in a few of those clips. I also never said don't use STR/Ruby on tanks (situational choice based on experience with the content), try reading. Please try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarkamite View Post
    Skill over gear.
    Actually, you need a good mix of both. The most skillfull person won't meet the DPS check of T8 in i80 but someone in i110 can still fail to meet it if they lack the proper skill.
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    To be fair poster said experienced and outgeared for said content, which the user of that youtube video clearly is. Also, as it stands, wouldn't tank be the only clear exception where there is leeway. However, ACN is the odd duck out in this scenario as no one can tell you what to do there. Some main spec smn (like I do) or sch and some split it even or any other combination they prefer to which no one can say they are wrong since SE forced a choice by having only one class branch into 2 jobs.
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    Seravi Edalborez
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwill View Post
    Actually, you need a good mix of both. The most skillfull person won't meet the DPS check of T8 in i80 but someone in i110 can still fail to meet it if they lack the proper skill.
    Most skillful person is going to be in higher than i80 by virtue of having played enough to be skilled.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparktacus View Post
    However, ACN is the odd duck out in this scenario as no one can tell you what to do there. Some main spec smn (like I do) or sch and some split it even or any other combination they prefer to which no one can say they are wrong since SE forced a choice by having only one class branch into 2 jobs.
    Accessory choice, not bonus stat choice. A SMN with 30 MND doesn't matter. Not like you can see that. A SMN wearing all healer accessories (or a SCH wearing all caster accessories) however is an idiot.
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    Player Dwill's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez View Post
    Most skillful person is going to be in higher than i80 by virtue of having played enough to be skilled.
    That's indeed true. My example was merely to illustrate that gear does matter to a degree, no matter the skill level.
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    Indeed but if I had to choose between two people, one who was massively skilled but had gimp gear and one who couldn't do his job to save his life but was rocking i110 soldiery pieces I would still choose the skilled player. You can always get gear later.

    @Ellatrix What am I trying? I have yet to see this problem that you see. I never see SMN's running around wearing Daystar gear so maybe people are your server are just goons. I just merely wanted to point out that just because you have a bad experience with people not knowing their role doesn't necessarily mean people wearing gear other than their "main stat" means they can't do content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez View Post
    Accessory choice, not bonus stat choice. A SMN with 30 MND doesn't matter. Not like you can see that. A SMN wearing all healer accessories (or a SCH wearing all caster accessories) however is an idiot.
    Ah yes my bad oops, but I guess it could be [slightly] related.
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    Last edited by Sparktacus; 10-10-2014 at 01:07 PM.

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    Oskar Shadowbane
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    Just because you say it's not being elitist does not change the fact that it reads that way. Yes people get assigned a job when queuing for DF and in a lot of cases it helps with the success of the dungeon. But have you thought about asking why they chose to do it that way?
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