ABC Scholar Anyone?

Hello community, I would like to ask any scholars out there, like me, that is ABC?
(ABC=always be casting) in dungeon. Wether if it low to high level dungeon, guildhest to trials, I'm always in cleric stance and my trustee fairy Eos can solo heal the entire group, while I'm the 4th dps to help the group run faster. I never ever just stand here waiting for tank or dps Hp to drop and then pop heal, yawn, but I place my faerie and tossed out my dots, bane and lustrate! It's so fun not only to help out the group but also dish out damages. I always have something to do which make scholars the best hybrid healer to date for me. So anyone here is an ABC scholars?!?! Speak Up please :)

Ps: I'm new to the forum :)

You just described 90% of all SCHs and 100% what SCHs should be.

A SCH should be the most active player in the party in terms of APM, so yes. Microing one's fairy with no downtime, healing/DPSing with no downtime - doing something all the time. I see a lot of idle scholars who don't do anything when healing is not necessary, so I would disagree with the person above me about the quantity of the more active SCHs, but I do also agree with them in that that is what a SCH should aim to be. x)

It's unfortunately true that there are a lot of SCHs as well as WHMs who skate by while doing the absolute minimum, but yes, a SCH should always be doing something. With Lustrate off GCD, Galvanize effects tied to Adlo and Succor, and the fairy having her own CDs, SCHs have a lot of freedom.

WHMs sometimes have to be more conscious of when they use their GCDs, but watching either healer stand around simply waiting to heal when continuous healing is not required is pretty painful.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

watching either healer stand around simply waiting to heal when continuous healing is not required is pretty painful.

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I wholeheartedly agreed with this. Sometimes, when I ran dungeon and other people see me dpsing, they would told me to STOP and just focus solely on healing! I mean seriously? No one is dying on my watch plus i can even make the run faster by dpsing. People just don't see the full potential of scholars. Yes we are a healer class but we can DPS too, which make us one of the first true hybrid class in game.

The only time I'm not an ABC scholar is in ST. Yes I'm ashamed to say it.

ABC SCH I like that. I've played SCH for quite sometime now (main class) I was formerly a WHM , and I can say dpsing is kind of hard due to MP management but that also depends on the dungeon as well. As SCH I have my healing hot bar which is 1 and my dps+ lustrate hotbar which is 2 I simultaneously go back from cleric and non cleric pending the situation. I love having WHM in the party as I see myself as a back up healer

The only place I find it hard to dps due to mp management is Second Coil because the accuracy cap is a lot higher. When you miss your DoT 3 times in a row, it does hurt your mp.

There's a certain point where SCH DPS is negligible.

So, no. It's not always necessary.

Firstly, welcome to the forum! o/

I hope to become confident enough at Scholar that I'll always be casting. Right now I'm not (I'm new to it and it's so different from White Mage!) so I'd rather be ready for anything and focused on healing. I'm much more confident as a WHM, so will DPS when I can, if MP is alright and if it's appropriate for the fight. In my opinion, how comfortable you feel in the fight is what it comes down to; you're a healer first and foremost, but if you have the fight under control, DPS away! It's super annoying when people tell us to stop throwing out damage. ^^'

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Originally Posted by Mjytresz

There's a certain point where SCH DPS is negligible.

So, no. It's not always necessary.

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Since when is an extra `150-200 dps negligible?

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Originally Posted by Vena_Sera

Since when is an extra `150-200 dps negligible?

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I'm not sure what's being said there, either, but the only thing that comes to mind is when the party DPS is so excessive at points where phase control is vital that the SCH has to lay off DPS.

My static had this issue briefly in T7, but once we got used to gauging everyone's damage output and putting on the brakes in time to prevent unwanted phase changes, it wasn't necessary to pull any punches.

Yeah, I think Mjytresz meant that when you're steamrolling everything, that extra damage can be "unnecessary", though it certainly never is negligible and you should always minmax when possible.

240+ DPS in T6-8 and 200+ in T9 (with single-BRD Foe Requiems) while managing one's single-target healing normally and supplementing AOE-heals when need be is hardly negligible. That is, if no one messes up, which results in less babysitting and patching up. Realistically, you'll need to patch up a bit each run - which as a healer you should be doing with your priorities and that brings your numbers down a tad depending on how much people faceroll. Alternatively, you could let the WHM soloheal a bit (more than just the "Embrace-spam + Regen + Cure 1" -cruise control phases), which sort of defeats the whole purpose of artfully balancing one's duties, but can be done if the WHM is decent or better.

This is kinda true but at times not.

In dungeons yes ABC, if not healing dps etc

However in some content like Coil, the phase progression needs to be controlled and sometimes there isnt healing to be done so you will spend some of you time just standing there; stoneskin if you know you won't need the mana later but you dont necessarily need to ABC all the time.

I actually never intended on being a healer of any sort. I main a Warrior and love tanking, but recently decided that I should have a dps class just to be flexible...welp, Summoner looked pretty sexy to me and I started leveling Arcanist. Before I reached 30, one of my FC mates let me know about how you can level Summoner and Scholar at the same time.
Since healers get qued much faster, I figured "Eh, why not?"
I LOVE MY SCHOLAR.
"Here, let me heal the tank, throw out some helpful DoT deeps, and just be awesome in general."
And I've dealt with tanks and dps telling me to only heal and I promptly tell them "Do you wanna level quicker/grind for gear quicker? THEN LET ME BE AWESOME." If I wasn't meant to drop some mad DoTs, then why would SCH/ACN have access to heals AND deeps?
It's like when people get on me for dropping burst deeps as a Warrior...Are you kidding me? Please learn about the class IN FULL before making retarded suggestions. I mean, that's just how I feel.

It's easier said than done with my case. I always forget to turn my Cleric's Stance on before I cast DoTs :(

So I put CS right next to my heals now, hopefully I'll be quicker.

Also, the delay in CS being exactly 2 gcd is a good reminder to me too. If I can cast bio 2-bio(/miasma), then I SHOULD be able to have my CS on too!!

I agree with you wholeheartedly. If you have the skills, use em, amirite?

I just started SCH, coming from WHM, and I am never standing still. Monk was my main, so I place emphasis on mobility anyway no matter the class. It drives me up the wall when my PUG WHM is just sniffing roses in a corner somewhere (happened last night in Haukke matter-of-fact). Having healed in WoW gave me more experience in that respect, but this game IS different.

SCH is a waaaaay different animal than WHM to me it seems. I love the DoT's (I really need to work on my hotbars for the fairies, I feel sub-par not micro-managing them even at lvl 30, I'll do it tonight) and I throw them around and Bane those puppies all the time. I don't have Cleric Stance just yet, I chose Stoneskin, Protect, and Swiftcast to start. CS will come next slot unlock.

Researching fairy skill sets though, I am thinking of using Selene outside of boss battles on trash, the Spell Speed buff looks sweet! Faster DoT's! Can anyone tell me, is the buff noticeable? Conversely, if I use the skill buff instead for my non-casting dps, is that noticeable also? I want to use less Sic and more Obey, the fairies seem to have alot of utility and SCH CD's on their own seem MIA.

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Selene is extremely useless in low-level play. She gets the limelight in high-level play because her buff is highly desirable to SS-stacking BLMs and will boost overall raid DPS slightly, while Eos' extra AoE healing and defensive buffs are rarely needed or valued. Selene's buffs boost your skill/spell speed stats by 30% (i.e. you don't actually cast 30% faster) which is almost totally irrelevant for DoT-heavy DPS and healing.

Never, ever, ever allow Eos to run wild. She'll waste her CDs left and right.

Selene can be set on autopilot, but you can get the absolute best performance by learning to micromanage her.

CS is worth slotting before Stoneskin. It's actually worth slotting before Protect, but most who don't play SCH will whine if they don't get Prot in their lvl 15 Sastasha run.

Nice, I did refit my hotbars to micromanage both fairies (I'm on PS3). 3 commendations right after I did it; doing something right! SCH is hella fun! I tried out Selene to get a feel for her on a lower dungeon run, yeah, the buff is not very noticeable. I use SS a lot in keeping with SCH damage mitigation, I don't feel that CS is a must at this point as my mind and int are very close at this early stage. Later on though, with healer specced gear, I can see CS coming more into play. WHM was mind all the way, as their focus from square one is healing. Each fairy has their own hotbar, they both have Place and Heel. The third has the stuff I use less often (resurrect, protect, the summons themselves, and obey used right after). When I have a fairy out, I am able to stay on their hotbar, more or less. Placing them seems to speed up their Embrace considerably, my guess is because they are not moving around with me all the time. I'm loving the high skill ceiling for this class, it's refreshing! Thanks for the input!

One of the reasons CS is so useful is that it not only flip-flops your MND and INT, but it also grants a % damage increase on top of that. At high levels this is huge since you will hit more than twice as hard (and heal for less than half as much) with CS enabled. You won't ruin anyone's low-level dungeon by not using it, but the difference is significant even when your MND isn't more than 2x your INT.

I don't play on the consoles, but see if you can work that macro that changes your hotbar slots depending on which fairy you summon. It's a huge convenience.

Glad you're having fun :) SCH was my first class and is still my main since I started oh so long ago (er in May) :P

I play console and I wouldnt suggest using cleric in a macro tbh.

I switch cleric on/off on GCD yes the skill wont activate straight away but it seems to queue it up.

Not knocking the usefulness of CS at all, it is next on the block when I get my next cross skill slot (I'm only level 33 with SCH so far)! WHM was my second 50, I stance dance liberally. Holy bombs, can't go wrong! Monk was my main, I started October-Novemberish of last year; it is my first love so to speak. When I do first runs, Monk is where I turn to first to get the feel for a new area. I typically write Macros later after I get used to the class manually first, just one of my things I do. I strive to utilize all of the tools a class has to offer, and sometimes it is all too easy to leave something out (especially easy probably with SCH with all of their versatility)! I hear that Macros for SCH are super useful though, so I will definitely look into them! Wish you were on Levi! One more question though for you good Sir, how much hate do SCH's pull? I wasn't doing anything crazy last night, but on that 3 comm run I did, the tank kept losing hate to me. He didn't really Flash all too much, but still. I thought SCH hate generation was relatively low?

Yeah Sanguisio, I agree with you. I had it in a WHM macro once and sometimes it wouldn't turn off like it was supposed to do Really, really annoying. *Delete*

SCHs don't usually generate enmity as quickly as other classes. On the other hand, low-level tanks might have some difficulty handling threat against an active SCH's heals and DPS. Otherwise you almost never have threat issues.

yes, i love it tbh, sch will always be my main