Why aren't the Coil instances more 'continuous' like Crystal Tower?

Compare the design of Labyrinth of Ancients to Second Coil; LoA is a huge, single instance divided by only three loading screens. Coil is four different instances separated by what are basically lobby rooms. Why? The LoA design is nice because it feels like one big continuous dungeon. You don't have to leave to enter a different instance on your way to the next boss.

What if instead of taking the teleporter behind Rafflesia, you actually walked the pathway to the breach of the Coil structure, and the instance just continued on into Turn 7? If a load screen is absolutely needed, why not place the zone line there?

It might seem like nitpicking, but the disconnect between Turns is off-putting. Currently, Second Coil feels like a series of rooms you teleport in and out of, and it would be interesting to actually see the entire length of the dungeon. I'm not saying Square should go back and retrofit them, but I hope it's something they've considered for the design of Third Coil.

I think it would cause issue with lockouts...at least how they do them anyways

It's so you can take breaks, and don't need the same group for all turns/bosses.

first it will cause problems with lockout

second coil is hardest content in the game

its very hard to put entire 2nd coil as 1 instance cover T6 -T9

can you beat T6 - T9 within 120 mins?

even if we say you can farm T6 - T9 but still beating T6 - T9 in 120 minutes still a challenging thing

not to mention brb times and some mistakes and wipes

^ simple solution:

Timer: 180mins
Lockouts: each boss acts as a check point. Would work the same as current lockout, except we don't exit/re-enter.
Put trash mobs that are somewhat difficult between each boss, and there u have it.

Makes it easier to add it to duty finder later when they remove the lockouts and for purposes of other systems like the bonus nexus light.

Some of us switch to different jobs for different turns. We would have to back out anyway unless they allow us to switch after each boss is killed in the instance.

Speaking of switching jobs between turns. Would be nice if they made it so you didn't have to wait for your CDs every time you switched. But oh well. It is what it is.

Lobby rooms are checkpoints so you can get out, fix stuff, change jobs, go spank that S mark that just poped. Etc.

Coil is much more team oriented, CT is just a Duty Finder thing.

LoA was meant to be completed by three groups of eight all at once. Coil is designed for a single team of eight with each turn to be completed separately.

I would be much happier with coil if there was DIFFERENT music for each turn! Or at least different music from 1st to 2nd coil. Listening to the same music while poking The Avatar as you did while hacking at Caduceus is getting oooooooold.

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Originally Posted by Alurwen

I would be much happier with coil if there was DIFFERENT music for each turn! Or at least different music from 1st to 2nd coil. Listening to the same music while poking The Avatar as you did while hacking at Caduceus is getting oooooooold.

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Well, there's different field music, but you don't spend much time listening to that, sadly.

Hell you don't spend much time listening to Spiral either (the regular battle theme for coil), which is actually the best track in that place.

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Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

even if we say you can farm T6 - T9 but still beating T6 - T9 in 120 minutes still a challenging thing

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We do it in 40-ish minutes. :O Wish it was more... :< But as someone else here said, there should/could be some checkpoint system.

would be pretty cool if they make coil 6-9 to a 120 min instance with a loot lockout of 1 piece per week like syrcus tower

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Originally Posted by SinisterIsBack

I think it would cause issue with lockouts...at least how they do them anyways

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At the same time that would encourage structured raiding guilds to do their thing.

Of course, with the way duties were designed this isn't really possible, which is a shame. You can't be "saved" to an instance for the week like you would be in WoW, with a raid ID assigned to anyone that was "saved" in the instance with you.

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Originally Posted by LegendWait

Lobby rooms are checkpoints so you can get out, fix stuff, change jobs, go spank that S mark that just poped. Etc.

Coil is much more team oriented, CT is just a Duty Finder thing.

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Does not undo the fact that the ambience of CT and ST feels more like a raid to those of us who have played and raided other MMOs.

They could make the loading zone look like a pathway though. Coil backgrounds are beautiful but I'm never sure where I'm supposed to be.

I think it hasn't been mentioned either that the fatigue of such instances would eventually get to people. It's not a thing for people who are with groups who can easily farm T6-T9 but people learning the content or are maybe not solid on one fight vs the others will have problems with feeling drained.

The fatigue of the battles can wear people down and make them unable to progress in later battles because of sloppiness. Having separate instances is better to get that 5 minute breather/repair/get food/go pee.

Plus, look at ST. People get bored a half hour into content. People go afk for trash pulls and such.

Also Coils requires people to change jobs in need be for party makesups as they move through.

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Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

first it will cause problems with lockout

second coil is hardest content in the game

its very hard to put entire 2nd coil as 1 instance cover T6 -T9

can you beat T6 - T9 within 120 mins?

even if we say you can farm T6 - T9 but still beating T6 - T9 in 120 minutes still a challenging thing

not to mention brb times and some mistakes and wipes

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LOLWUT u can finish t6-9 in 90 mins

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Originally Posted by Empressia

LOLWUT u can finish t6-9 in 90 mins

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If you had only 120 minutes to learn all turns from scratch, could you do it?　If you ran out of time you had to start from the beginning?

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Of course, with the way duties were designed this isn't really possible, which is a shame. You can't be "saved" to an instance for the week like you would be in WoW, with a raid ID assigned to anyone that was "saved" in the instance with you.
Does not undo the fact that the ambience of CT and ST feels more like a raid to those of us who have played and raided other MMOs.

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Actually you can, clear trash and leave the turn, then come back another day and the trash will still be clear, Look at how peeps asked for some to take them into coil turn 1 past ADS and trash, so instance ID progression saving is possible.

Just working on progression proves that, spend time working on a boss, stop, have another crack another day (before reset of course) trash is clear, shortcut is open.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

If you had only 120 minutes to learn all turns from scratch, could you do it?　If you ran out of time you had to start from the beginning?

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All stuff you clear upto that would still be clear when you re-enter the next time (before reset).

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

I think it hasn't been mentioned either that the fatigue of such instances would eventually get to people. It's not a thing for people who are with groups who can easily farm T6-T9 but people learning the content or are maybe not solid on one fight vs the others will have problems with feeling drained.

The fatigue of the battles can wear people down and make them unable to progress in later battles because of sloppiness. Having separate instances is better to get that 5 minute breather/repair/get food/go pee.

Plus, look at ST. People get bored a half hour into content. People go afk for trash pulls and such.

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When I was raiding in Rift we would raid for 2hrs then stop when working on progression. Then pick it up again at the point we left it.

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Originally Posted by Sensu

We do it in 40-ish minutes. :O Wish it was more... :< But as someone else here said, there should/could be some checkpoint system.

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you do all 4 turns within 40 minutes?

is that even possible?

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Originally Posted by Kimikryo

you do all 4 turns within 40 minutes?

is that even possible?

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Yep, takes less than 10 minutes each for 6-8. Assuming one shots of course. Trash on 7, just AE burn them. Trash on 8. just train them alll to the entrance to the boss and AE burn. 9-10 mins for turn 9. Done.

I'd love to see some dungeon crawler type 8 main raids in the game filled with end-game bosses. The current Coil style is fine and does provide some advantages but I'd like to see them mix up the formula once we move beyond Coil. They do a pretty good job designing the 4 man dungeons to make trash pulling a little more interesting then your standard MMO dungeon trash clears. Extending that to 8 main raids with trash pulls that could easily wipe the raid if handled incorrectly would be a much welcomed addition to the game.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

All stuff you clear upto that would still be clear when you re-enter the next time (before reset).

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That would make it no different from how it is now.