1. In regards to Relics.... I kinda feel like the game is treating them the right way. Relics in the past are supposed to be the rarity, the item that takes months to complete, that requires a substantial grind, that's kinda it's own status symbol. While most of the things to do are tedious, this kinda falls in line with how relic weapons were done in the past.
FFX you were doing endless blitzball games, or dodging lightning.
In FFXI It required substantial farming/money and going into Dynamis, and when I left the game, relics, while becomming more accessible, were far from being the every day item we see now.
So as the game progresses, and we carry these weapons through patches and expansions, stands to reason there will be less of them in their "final forms" but more options instead for people who want to skip the content, and that seems pretty right.
2. But has their been much talk of what's to become of mythic weapons as content expands? Mythics in FFXI were part of Aht Urghan expansion, and evolved much like Relics. But I can't recall if SE had mentioned if that would continue to be the case in this game? Personally I'd love for it to, more options are always nice things to have, though I'm not sure what would distinguish the two items, unless they keep Mythic stats locked vs. Relic.
Personally I'd love for Mythics to have quests that involve killing time fate spawn things, such as Behemoth/Odin, which would no doubt bring back the popularity of those fights. I'm not sure what the right number of fights would be, but utilizing that or Ex Primal kills to meet criteria for enhancement could be fun little grind in itself. And a bit more specific than the light farming of Nexus.
Anyhoo, done ramblin for now.
Relic's vs Mythic Weapons - Me thinking too much.
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10-02-2014, 10:47 PMSteadyRelic's vs Mythic Weapons - Me thinking too much.
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10-02-2014, 10:52 PMMarcie
I think stick to the Relics for the long run...
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10-02-2014, 11:07 PMAtomnium
To be honest, relic weapons in ffxiv right now sucks hard and involve zero shows of your player's skill, it's all about endless grinds on atmas, gils and dungeons spam... infact, even the best reward availlable isn't even BIS when a next coil/raid strike around the corner.
This isn't powerful legendary weapons, this is a just a side-quest goal you can work on in a casual way to get a decent weapon.
FFXIV have yet to introduce legendary weapons that give real advantages like in past final fantasys games, something like job additional effects, hidden effects and whatever that make a legendary weapon forever-bis no matter the patch/update/expansion. -
10-02-2014, 11:09 PMSteadyI have both. Mythic weapons had their own multiple stages, as did later Emypean Weapons. Was the difference between something like this.Quote:
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10-02-2014, 11:13 PMSteadyAlways considered these sorts of weapons (Relic/Mythic/Empy) to be more about the humongous time syncs and need to have others participate to help one another get competions.Quote:
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10-02-2014, 11:24 PMAtomniumAgreeing on empy weapons, it was mostly a long and crazy grind, starting from little magian trial to the final form of the said weapon (could actually look alike the current ffxiv relic's weapons but empy were WAY stronger).Quote:
Originally Posted by Steady
Comparison to Relics and Mythics from ffxi is a big no no there though, endless grinds and gils titanic-sink was just a part of the problem and especially when considering the CRAZY amount of ingame goals being mandatory for a mythic weapon, ingame goals that required to go past your player's skill and/or your motivation's limits.
Could you be as proud of yourself about your Mythic weapon from ffxi and a Relic in ffxiv? I don't think so, impossible. -
10-02-2014, 11:39 PMSteadyPersonally I'd rather see them do something with Mythic aside from making them time-sensitive and disposable. Even if it was just opening materia slots on them as content progressed to get a little more life out of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomnium
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10-02-2014, 11:54 PMDeusteele
I like the idea that Yoshida's team has done with Relics/AF, making the base versions a baseline item at 50. This helps players make the first step-up into endgame. Having them slowly upgradable via personal time and effort could give players a reason to maintain a subscription.
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10-03-2014, 12:09 AMHik0you forgot the latest step (ilvl119)Quote:
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10-03-2014, 12:10 AMHakuroDK
Ever since they introduced Novus and the scrolls, I have been confident in saying that Relic weapons will henceforth be the most valuable weapons in the game.
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10-03-2014, 12:20 AMUrielparadox
All of Geralts weapons are the mythic FYI. Burtange levitrain, ect...* stupid phone
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10-03-2014, 01:46 AMValcroAww that's cute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomnium
And THEN SE said, let the bodies hit the floor, and it was so, and many upon the land cried foul as their relic progress was no more.
See the problem with your logic is, there are weathered weapons for the casual players. Relics haven't been the casual weapon of choice for months. And we'll continue getting those casual weapon upgrades along side relics from here on out. Most of my casual friends have said no thanks to the relic grind. Relics are going to go down that road called difficult, and they will gain those advantages you speak of. Best prepare yourselves or risk being blindsided, and make no mistake you will be blindsided and SE is not going to budge to the rage on the forums come that day after maint patch when people start to realize, oh damn.
Especially if they dare sway from their current method, and start implementing items used for the quests that can be exchanged between players, i.e. ancient currency. I would hope that's off the table period, even though to an extent it has already started with materia, but SE knows how to restrict the flow of things. If they deem relics should be rare, their way of doing it is involving wealth. It won't happen tomorrow. Hell it won't even happen within the next couple YEARS.
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10-03-2014, 02:14 AMAlmalexiaTell me there's one for MNK with +242 H2H skill.Quote:
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10-03-2014, 02:19 AMMeierSo much this. At first we had to defeat bosses, the Chimera, Titan and Hydra, etc. They were easy but at least it wasn't reused content. In 1.0 the relics actually felt like...a relic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomnium
Omg..lol imagine if we actually had stats like this in this game, instead of the...4 usual...D:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hik0
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10-03-2014, 02:32 AMXysticAs long as its nothing like Thunderfury.Quote:
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10-03-2014, 02:34 AMHik0http://www.bg-wiki.com/images/9/98/G...escription.pngQuote:
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10-03-2014, 04:54 AMAtomniumAt the very first, those weapons weren't meant to be for "casual*" players and only the ones who downed t7 had an opportunity to get the tomestone... Then they changed everything with a regular "catch-up-update" with hunt and syrcus-tower loot boost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valcro
So from my little point of view, all of those weapons (weathered/unweathered/relic) re in the same basket (for the moment) since they can be acquired by a lone person without the need of your own community behind.
On a side note, you can be a casual but still giving ton of times into grind and money sink for a goal, the only difference from another casual is how many times you re able to invest.
"Casual*" shouldn't be the default noob-timeless-mentally-challenged meaning since there is also a lot of "Casual" end game raiders, only casualy-playing for raid times.
*I still believe into players categories like bads, poors, decents, goods, very goods and it can have nothing linked with how many hours you play a week.
Man, I for one really wish to see this happening... Like really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valcro
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10-03-2014, 06:00 AMKyriea
There simply isn't enough customisation in game yet to introduce better upgrades, and I don't think there ever will be in the attempt to be "safe". This game is so simple that there is little room for upgrades other than main and secondary stats, which helps vertical progression because all they need to do is increase the numbers, but for something like horizontal progression where they need to add more variety there isn't much they can do that they haven't already.
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10-03-2014, 06:14 AMLord_Zlatan
People are doggin relics now but just wait until they ARE the best in the game and aaaa aaaaaaaaaaalll the players that neglected it have to start from zenith/atma. I hope this is the case at least >.>
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10-03-2014, 09:37 AMWarlyx
yoshi dont want u to do math in order to see wich gear is better and because "new players" balbalabala , MAIN STAT + VIT + (Crit , det , speed ) is what u will see .....
maybe in 3.0 they introduce new stats or "enhance : XXX" but i doubt it....