So after running brayfox long stop hm I have some questions

Alright so while I was banned from the forums I decided to run brayfox for some time and I love it but I have some questions about magitek and the future of magitek. so I guess my first question is when did the goblins learn how to build magitek machines and will the Illuminati make an appearance again in not just dungeons? also since they discovered how to make these magitek machines are the city states and gcs going to learn how to build these machines armor and weapons? if they do will the appearances of these things be different or the same? hopefully different..will cid finally share his knowledge about magitek with everyone? and will other beast men tribes develop their own Magitek things? I love magitek

They probably reverse-engineered it from damaged and abandon Garlean machines. Between 1.# and 2.# we've destroyed a veritable standing army's worth of Garlean arms. The fact we don't have Garlean rifle wall furnishings is more surprising than goblins tooling around in magitech.

Never actually thought about that and those are really good questions...why don't we have better weapons....??? HMMMMM....

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The Goblins are pretty smart fellas. I mean it's thanks to Mutamix that we know how to harness materia. It feels like Eorzea is severely lacking in techonological advancements honestly.

The Garleans are waaaay ahead of us and so are the Goblins. What have we been doing all this time?

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Originally Posted by Coatl

The Garleans are waaaay ahead of us and so are the Goblins. What have we been doing all this time?

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Fighting with Beastmen, dealing with a calamity, Nations fighting each other.

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Originally Posted by DoctaruRavenbe

Fighting with Beastmen, dealing with a calamity, Nations fighting each other.

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that's not an excuse for the lack of technological advancements

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

They probably reverse-engineered it from damaged and abandon Garlean machines. Between 1.# and 2.# we've destroyed a veritable standing army's worth of Garlean arms. The fact we don't have Garlean rifle wall furnishings is more surprising than goblins tooling around in magitech.

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that is one possibility , but why can't any of the city states do hat I mean there is dead magitek machines everywhere but instead of studying them we just let them rust

Yes some parts of the lore are unexplained and lack of justification. All this tech around and the 3 city States look like peasant villages and not kingdoms. But hey we have Bluetooth hands free phones already.

This probably belongs in the lore section but it is a fair question.

It is a general question that comes up in every fantasy game - why isn't there more technology? I think it goes back to "necessity is the mother of invention". Tech won't be developed unless there is a need for it and when people have easy access to magic there is less need for technology. What tech there is gets developed by races/groups that have less access to magic than others.

We'd need a 1.0/Garlean lore expert to chime in more but it doesn't look like the Garleans do a lot of magic without the use of assistive technology. As a people they are probably less magically inclined than Eorzeans so they developed magitek to augment their abilities.

I think what the goblins have is different though.
1. If magitek is the cutting edge the goblins are like steampunk. It works but not great with lots of gears and steam power.
2. The goblin devices may not actually be magical. I think they are pure tech. I think the goblins lack the magical ability to actually create magitek.
3. Magitek devices seem to have a life of their own and are sometimes able to act independently. They rely less on physics and more on manipulation of aether and may actually be something like contained/channeled spirits.

To directly address some of your questions:
1. The Ixal have their tech too - airships. They don't seem inclined to want to develop any more. And I think the beast tribes in general depend too heavily on their primals to look elsewhere for power.
2. The citystates do have tech - airships, mammets, and guns. Overall I think they are too used to the magic they have to make adoption of magitek widespread. Magitek also requires manufacturing capabilities that no one currently has.
3. Story-wise I think the Domans would pick it up first since they are more familiar it, they need the extra power, and they have easier access to Cid and the Scions. This might prompt some of the citystates to start investing in it.
4. Gridania is unlikely to want magitek - the sylphs and spirits seem to not like it.
5. Limsa is too dependent on water travel to pick up magitek that is not easily used on water. They would probably love magitek skimmers if someone developed them though.
6. Ul'dah seems a natural place for magitek since there are already a number of mammets in the city and the merchants would be very interested. The political situation makes the adoption of magitek very difficult though. The thaumaturge guild would probably resist adoption of magitek since it would reduce their power. With the struggle between the government and the Syndicate neither side is going to want to openly back magitek since this would cause the thaumaturges to back the other side. I think the most likely scenario is that the Syndicate would secretly start investing in magitek development (with info stolen from the Scions) while publicly denouncing it and planting evidence to implicate the government instead.
7. The new gun class could very well be a magitek class.

sagi does make some good points I never thought about it that way and will probably make a thread in the lore section

I'd love a magitek Gun class. Different ammos (stances i guess) that affect how they dps or heal (i'm suspecting it wont be a tank).

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I'd love a magitek Gun class. Different ammos (stances i guess) that affect how they dps or heal (i'm suspecting it wont be a tank).

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I would want a gunblade class and it would fit in with the lore cause not only do we have did and his crew but there is also Nero who (if not dead) we will most likely save and I am sure he will be more than happy to share some information since he is an enguneer and a soldier

Are there aliens in this gameworld?

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Originally Posted by ShiloEET

Are there aliens in this gameworld?

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uh what? I don't even..

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Keep tongueflaps closed! Uplanders must never know...

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Originally Posted by Velox

Keep tongueflaps closed! Uplanders must never know...

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The secret ingredient is *mumble*? Oh my gob!

would y'all please stay on topic -_-

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Originally Posted by ShiloEET

Are there aliens in this gameworld?

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None that are known of.

In the Might&Magic games a lot of the "magic" was actually technology left by aliens. No history of that in Final Fantasy though. There are creatures from alternate planes but they don't bring technology. The tech is usually leftovers from a previous society that collapsed and is often a tool of the bad guys. The general feel, as I remember, is that technology leads to a disconnect with the natural world and the imbalance causes the downfall of society. Not that technology itself is bad but the inevitable way societies use it is.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

The Goblins are pretty smart fellas. I mean it's thanks to Mutamix that we know how to harness materia. It feels like Eorzea is severely lacking in techonological advancements honestly.

The Garleans are waaaay ahead of us and so are the Goblins. What have we been doing all this time?

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Technological development is not a one way street, various branches develop independent of eachother. Garleans for example have no caster classes.

I have to say that I forgot that I even made this topic and am suprised to see it on the front page

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Originally Posted by jomoru

Technological development is not a one way street, various branches develop independent of eachother. Garleans for example have no caster classes.

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Signifers are thaumaturgs so they definitly have casters, i'm not sure about WHm (don't remeber figthing them) and they definitly lack Arcanists but Thaumaturgh is there.

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Originally Posted by Riardon

But hey we have Bluetooth hands free phones already.

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It may be just some form of magic involved.

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Originally Posted by Tam_Hawkins

Signifers are thaumaturgs so they definitly have casters, i'm not sure about WHm (don't remeber figthing them) and they definitly lack Arcanists but Thaumaturgh is there.

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When an area gets conquered by the Garlean empire, anyone that can fight is sent to aid in conquering other far-away places. The majority of the garlean attack-forces consist of people from conquered teritories. I'm assuming the signiferi and medici are among those.

The lore mentions that Garlemald was a small country and then one day suddenly invented all this magitek and started conquering. It's also mentioned that Cid's father, Garlemald's chief of technology, began acting much differently. He was also the leader on Project Meteor, and responsible for inventing the machine that brought down Dalamud. One can assume that Ascians gifted them some ancient Allagan knowledge.

Pureblood Garleans like Cid and Nero (differentiated by their third eye) are stated to be incapable of using magic. Hence magitek was developed out of necessity. The City-States are rife with magic and would have little to no need for technology to replace it.

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Originally Posted by subteraneanbird

Pureblood Garleans like Cid and Nero (differentiated by their third eye) are stated to be incapable of using magic. Hence magitek was developed out of necessity. The City-States are rife with magic and would have little to no need for technology to replace it.

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If they didn't have the warrior od light I bet they would need that technology. Btw im aure there are people who cant use magic in the city states that would love to be strong and with cid and nero there that is the perfect opportunity for those people