so those i70 crafting gloves. . .

Topic 18: The Ixali Gloves are weak!
Ixali quests were designed for new crafters not existing hardcore crafters, so gloves aren't OP

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I'm surprised no one picked up on this lil tidbit from the newsletter...
I guess this means no +3 CP to the i70 crafting gloves?

S.

Nope, instead you get more control and craftmanship. Even max melded the gloves are better. Sure, I would rather give up the 3 CP for more control and craftmanship any day.

They aren't i70. Maybe i65 but not i70. That answer was such a pathetic cop out. You don't gain any craftsman ship, you loose 3 cp for a + to control that won't effect any crafts in a positive way, it's completely unnoticeable control gain. The 3 cp is always going to be better (unless your trying to do 3 star without the I 70 wpn. And without fc buffs)

I was under the assumption they were talking about the level 1 wristgloves that need to be used in all the quest recipies and how it makes crafting the last tier items extremely hard (as seen in the "A High Wind in Ishgard" thread).

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Originally Posted by Velox

I was under the assumption they were talking about the level 1 wristgloves that need to be used in all the quest recipies and how it makes crafting the last tier items extremely hard (as seen in the "A High Wind in Ishgard" thread).

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This^^

Anyhow, the lack of +3 cp is still on the accepted bugs list. Although I wonder if it will be addressed (either improved or rejected) before the xpac hits.

Next on Delusional Crafters we will have an 'expert' who will present evidence that Square Enix will boost Tier IV materia rates, and a specialist who will tell us why Manipulation is bugged and needs to be fixed

I called it!

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TLDR: There is a reason the Ixal gloves are missing the "Artisan" title. They are not BiS.

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Hopefully the Artisan gloves/gear is slated to arrive in 2.4

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Originally Posted by Lebenoshl

Next on Delusional Crafters we will have an 'expert' who will present evidence that Square Enix will boost Tier IV materia rates, and a specialist who will tell us why Manipulation is bugged and needs to be fixed

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It actually is in the accepted bugs forum, which means someone at SE moved it there and is in the queue to be "looked at".

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nds-missing-CP

doesn't mean they'll change it, just means it's in line to be looked at. And I was thinking, that even then, I don't know how fast they go through that forum, so it's quite likely it will linger there for another 6 months till the expansion where it won't make any difference whatsoever.

And to expand upon the "this" which seems to have confused you. I was merely agreeing that this was the way I originally read the translation. Weak and OP seem odd ways of describing gloves that trade +3cp for +4(?)ctl from fully melded gloves, although I can how that may just be a limitation of the translation.

But I'm glad you provided your 'expert' opinion on the matter, it was very helpful.

I figure they're really pretty good gloves, though not the best possible, usable on all classes, and practically free (if you were going to do the quests anyway like many people). I'd imagine they're an upgrade on at least some crafting classes for nearly every player, though it is annoying for a new "i70" item to be statistically inferior or on par with an i55 item.

Sorry, I was at work when I typed this last and didn't have access to the gear calculator at the time. Yes, it's 4 CP for 3 Control without the need to attempt to max meld your other gloves, and it's usable on all your crafting jobs. I don't see how that's not a great trade off! What move are you going to get out of 4 CP? ANY amount of control increases your ability to get HQ!

Until you get enough extra CP that the bleedover from 1 TotT (+20) = 1 Basic (-18) becomes "1 TotT = 2 Basic" at a much lower amount of TotTs, there's no point in having a little more CP.

I'm posting this stating I melded my first class after the gloves came out and I had them but I really don't see the outcry over them. I've yet to see a rotation that requires 398 cp over 395. Most of them are 388/391 cp still so the lose of 3 cp doesn't seem that bad to me and every time I mention it someone claims a friend of a friend has a rotation that uses all of the CP but never gets around to posting it. I'm can currently get 389 cp and I don't have cp on my off hand and don't have any melds on my boots but I do have the i55 accessories.

So I'll continue using the Ixali gloves since I have yet to see a reason not to use them. Melding the gloves would cost me ~280k * 8 vs the free gloves for doing the dailies.

The only criticism I have about the i70 gloves is that they do not allow you to craft the same Ehcatl recipes that the low level gloves do. You worked quite awhile to get them, why not allow you to /toss the old gloves and use these for dailies instead?

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Until you get enough extra CP that the bleedover from 1 TotT (+20) = 1 Basic (-18) becomes "1 TotT = 2 Basic" at a much lower amount of TotTs, there's no point in having a little more CP.

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My 3 star rotation varies based on how many ToT procs in the first 12 steps or so, and one scenario has me using SH instead of SHII for a single hasty touch at the end through BB, and another one has me with 16 CP leftover that could have turned a hasty touch into a basic touch.

10-20% chance on one move isn't enough for me to mess with 3 extra CP. If it was enough to mean the difference between a manipulation or a waste not, then it's an actual issue. I'm still holding on to my old melded gloves in case something changes before they add new gloves, but they're just taking up space currently.

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Originally Posted by Yonko

I'm posting this stating I melded my first class after the gloves came out and I had them but I really don't see the outcry over them. I've yet to see a rotation that requires 398 cp over 395. Most of them are 388/391 cp still so the lose of 3 cp doesn't seem that bad to me and every time I mention it someone claims a friend of a friend has a rotation that uses all of the CP but never gets around to posting it. I'm can currently get 389 cp and I don't have cp on my off hand and don't have any melds on my boots but I do have the i55 accessories.

So I'll continue using the Ixali gloves since I have yet to see a reason not to use them. Melding the gloves would cost me ~280k * 8 vs the free gloves for doing the dailies.

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I have a proprietary one that uses my whole CP pool
that being said though I think the gloves are a good stop gap fro those who don't want to keep a set of gloves for each DOH class.

355 CP without food gives me more flexibility than 352. I think my favorite rotation uses 353.