Kicked from Syrcus Tower? But why?

So I'm in Group C during what seems to be a very quiet Syrcus Tower run. It seems like the other groups are conversing with each other, but my group specifically is absolutely dead silent. Despite there being 6 Bards overall, we are obliterating enemies and bosses. We even killed Glasya before the platform jumping phase. I'm not getting hit by anything and I'm doing what I'm supposed to during fights. We get to Amon and just as the Main Tank pulls, I'm kicked from the dungeon. There was no reason given, and absolutely no dialogue within party or Alliance chat about anything. Right now I'm feeling more aggravated that I'm left trying to figure out what in the world could have led to a kick, which I have a few main theories about:


A) 2 pieces of gear dropped, one was Lancer boots and the other was a Bard Belt. the Bard belt was an upgrade for me, but I was planning on just dropping the Soldiery Tomestones on an Allagan piece. When they saw this they probably predicted I was going after the oil which isn't necessarily untrue and decided to kick me so that they had a better chance at winning it.

B) For some reason this was a pre-made run that wasn't full, and when they discovered there was someone there who actually needed things from Syrcus Tower they decided to kick for whatever reason they felt entitled to. If this is true, then why would they make a pre-made that's not full and decide to kick for the simple reason that I'm not in their little circle?

C) Possibly too many Bards in the group as a whole, but as I said before, we were smashing content to where I wouldn't want to mess with the formula. It could also be that they were farming their Nexus upgrades, even though ST isn't the place to do that efficiently and kicking someone because they don't have their Novus is it's own brand of stupidity.

Is there something else I'm missing? Some actually legitimate reason why I was kicked from the smoothest Crystal Tower run I've ever seen that warranted no explanation or notification if I was doing something wrong? (I did this on my Bard)

Its likely B. You served your purpose, and they saw no more need for you, because you were after the same thing they were. Its hard putting our faith in RNG-sus sometimes, so sometimes we choose the latter, which is kick the odd man out, to make life easier on us. Its selfish, yes, but if you had the chance, you'd take it.

So I just did my first Syrcus Tower run since the new 2.38 patch and I think I know why they chose Amon to kick me at. The run I just completed dropped both an Unidentified Allagan Tomestone, and an Oil of Time after the Amon fight. It then proceeded to drop them again after Xande as well as two Sands of Time. What really hit me in the gut though is that everyone in the group passed on the final pieces of loot because we had expended our gear drops for the week.

I've seen this happen too often. Now I don't roll on any loot and just let the timer run out as it will extend into the following boss fight preventing the ability for the kick function to be used.

Which is why the Kick Function needs to be changed. Abusers will use this to their advantage, yes you can just report them, but stopping them from ruining your run, thats impossible.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

I've seen this happen too often. Now I don't roll on any loot and just let the timer run out as it will extend into the following boss fight preventing the ability for the kick function to be used.

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^This! I know if you really need a piece of loot, you'd have to wait until like 5 seconds or when the boss is pulled, but it really helps against people kicking between bosses so they can get the loot they want.

Also, I don't understand the kicking thing... if one of them is not party leader, someone else will choose to replace a dps, THUS getting someone else that will be rolling on the items that the first person was kicked for. :o

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

I've seen this happen too often. Now I don't roll on any loot and just let the timer run out as it will extend into the following boss fight preventing the ability for the kick function to be used.

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Yep. This. People who deserve to be kicked take advantage of this. No reason not to do it yourself for the sake of self defense.

Two things to do if you don't want this to happen or to report people who do it is like stated above don't roll to they can't boot you the second is at the start take a screenshot so if you are kicked you have a list of names to hand over to gms.

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Originally Posted by Ignnis

Two things to do if you don't want this to happen or to report people who do it is like stated above don't roll to they can't boot you the second is at the start take a screenshot so if you are kicked you have a list of names to hand over to gms.

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It just seems a little weird that people would do this when these items are dropping like candy now.

Maybe a FC member / friend of theirs wanted to join them, so they kicked a random person (i.e. you) in the hopes that he would get in by joining in progress.

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Originally Posted by Danbo05

Its likely B. You served your purpose, and they saw no more need for you, because you were after the same thing they were. Its hard putting our faith in RNG-sus sometimes, so sometimes we choose the latter, which is kick the odd man out, to make life easier on us. Its selfish, yes, but if you had the chance, you'd take it.

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Hope to god I never get in a group with the likes of you.

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Originally Posted by Phirmware

Hope to god I never get in a group with the likes of you.

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Heh, I was gonna respond to his post too but can't even find the words to find my disgust with that guys ethics. Some things are better left unsaid.

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Originally Posted by Danbo05

Its likely B. You served your purpose, and they saw no more need for you, because you were after the same thing they were. Its hard putting our faith in RNG-sus sometimes, so sometimes we choose the latter, which is kick the odd man out, to make life easier on us. Its selfish, yes, but if you had the chance, you'd take it.

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Sounds like a direct admission of guilt of harassment by abusing the vote kick system to me. Mods?

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Originally Posted by Danbo05

Its likely B. You served your purpose, and they saw no more need for you, because you were after the same thing they were. Its hard putting our faith in RNG-sus sometimes, so sometimes we choose the latter, which is kick the odd man out, to make life easier on us. Its selfish, yes, but if you had the chance, you'd take it.

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I'd also like to think that most people would, in fact, not be a group of selfish d-bags and pull a stunt like this.

Sounds like a group of children who are pissed that someone else is playing with their toys.

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Originally Posted by Phirmware

Hope to god I never get in a group with thelikes of you.

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Originally Posted by DenariusJay

Heh, I was gonna respond to his post too but can't even find the words to find my disgust with that guys ethics. Some things are better left unsaid.

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Originally Posted by Zophar

Sounds like a direct admission of guilt of harassment by abusing the vote kick system to me. Mods?

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Originally Posted by Phirmware

I'd also like to think that most people would, in fact, not be a group of selfish d-bags and pull a stunt like this.

Sounds like a group of children who are pissed that someone else is playing with their toys.

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i love how every single one of you are assuming he does this. he simply made an assessment based off information given. just because you can think, "this guy got mad so he shot his wife" doesnt mean that the person who made that deduction will do the same thing. stop trying to find stupid crap to fight about.

and hes probably right, either they wanted to try to let their friend in for a quick st loot, or they didnt want you rolling on what they were trying to get.

just because he makes an honest assessment of a situation, doesnt mean he is doing those things.

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

i love how every single one of you are assuming he does this. he simply made an assessment based off information given. just because you can think, "this guy got mad so he shot his wife" doesnt mean that the person who made that deduction will do the same thing. stop trying to find stupid crap to fight about.

and hes probably right, either they wanted to try to let their friend in for a quick st loot, or they didnt want you rolling on what they were trying to get.

just because he makes an honest assessment of a situation, doesnt mean he is doing those things.

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Reading is fundamental.

Count the number of times he says "we" or "us" in his reply and I think it's safe to assume he's no stranger to this type of behavior.

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Originally Posted by Phirmware

Reading is fundamental.

Count the number of times he says "we" or "us" in his reply and I think it's safe to assume he's no stranger to this type of behavior.

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also note that he says "they", meaning other people, and it still doiesnt justify the kind of comments it generated. when i try to figureout somebody's motives, i do sometimes speak as if im part of the group, just to get abetter feel of what it might actually be, and im not trying to defend him, but trying to defend a method. it is incredibly easy to place myself in a group and see what could possibly cause someone to do something, and i will speak as if im part of that group just because it makes it seem a little more real and allows me to get better insight. there is nothing wrong with just saying it, and someone shouldnt be spoken to like that because of it.

i do acknowledge the fact that it is completely possible that he does do stuff like that, but i wont accept it without some kind of proof or confession, because i would feel that it is wrong.

Fine. Let's try this then. I do not want to associate with someone who tries to justify this type of behavior.

My account. My 15 bucks a month. My choice who I associate with.

Which, by the way, is the point of my original reply.

Rude!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

also note that he says "they", meaning other people, and it still doiesnt justify the kind of comments it generated. when i try to figureout somebody's motives, i do sometimes speak as if im part of the group, just to get abetter feel of what it might actually be, and im not trying to defend him, but trying to defend a method.

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Yeah. You're right. He does say they. When specifically referring to the people who kicked the op. But as soon as he's done talking about them, he starts with the we and us, where if he was speaking just on the general level, it would have been much more appropriate to stick with "they." Circumstantial evidence, yes. But fairly compelling from my viewpoint.

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Originally Posted by Danbo05

Its hard putting our faith in RNG-sus sometimes, so sometimes we choose the latter, which is kick the odd man out, to make life easier on us. Its selfish, yes, but if you had the chance, you'd take it.

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No, I wouldn't. I've been brought up as a good person that understands that you should treat others how you want to be treated and default to giving people respect until a time they show that they don't deserve it.

I accept that anyone is entitled to be selfish, but please don't think for an instant that the majority find such behaviour anything but abhorrent.

i still dont understand, because if ti was loot, meaning sands or oil, you can usually buy the books with the seals you get just maxing soldiery, so it doesnt make sense to me at all