So if all the small houses were bought within minitues of the servers going live...

Doesn't that mean that the prices for them were too low.

I'm not saying I'm particularly happy about how it turned out but that's how I see the situation, prices are too low and there aren't enough plots to go around. Hopefully doubling the wards in 2.4 helps a little but the demand will probably be higher still.

And seeing as there are people bummed out that they couldn't buy their house because they weren't awake when the servers went live the gil doesn't seem like a real issue.

NO. It means there were not enough houses. Personal houses should be available for the grand majority. Please see other MMOs for examples;

EQ2, Wild Star, Rift, FFXI, LOTRO, and probably loads more.

It's not, the real issue is adding a total of roughly 180 houses per server. I mean really coming from a game that had issues of too many people and a total of 180 houses get released?
Mind boggling stupidity.

Depends on how you look at it. It would be a bit like if Sony said, "We'll only make 100 Playstation 5s for our first run, let it sell out, and then raise the prices because of enormous demand!"

Now if you want housing to stay in the hands of a small elite (but always ensure a plot was available for said elite), then yes, the prices were set a bit too low.

People are even buying medium houses as private homes . i see it in my ward. But this is what makes me mad .My problem with the housing . There in the same zones as FC housing . A FC has to acquire rank 8 to buy any size home . S , M , L any size rank 8. BUT if you want a personal house all you need is gil. No rank nothing speical . Just money. And you get all the perks of a FC small or large . This is what pisses me off the most

You mean the 30 house slots (including medium and bigs) each ward has x 2 added wards x 3 housing areas = 180 total spaces being enough supply for a whole server?

I can also go to Somalia and sell 10 bottles of water for $50 and say the pricing was right.

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No rank nothing speical

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You need to be max rank in your GC.

The money isn't the problem because money can be obtained over time and is not a limited resource. The problem is that the amount of housing plots made available was incredibly limited.

Due to the fact that only 6 new wards were created on each server people got panicky and instantly bought housing plots the moment the servers came up (some even buying plots that they realized they didn't like moments afterwards). As a result a lot of smaller FCs who were raising money, or are new to the game have been forced in to waiting for either new wards to be made again (only for the small plots to be bought the moment the servers are up yet again) or raise even more money for M or L plots.

Yoshida has stated that come 2.4 the dev team will have a system in place which will give players access to as many housing wards as they need, though at this point I'm not entirely sure I believe him anymore. It's only a month or two away until we get 2.4 so we will soon see.

I don't think you are considering the amount of houses bought vs the amount of players who still don't own a house. Only 38 players per housing area were able to buy a small house, that is 114 players per server, it doesn't mean the other hundred/thousand of players left out are able to afford them. This is why even if they double the amount of land in 2.4 they will not have enough land for everbody, unless they find a better way to manage their resources and add maybe add 4x or 5x the current amount.

OR they should stop treating all servers equally and accept that different servers will have different needs, a dead server definitely wont need 3x+ the current amount, but a legacy server does.

6th rank to buy house un FC
9th in GC for personnal... juste you can go 9th rank in less than 1 week.

More. Some people have really many gils. Some not. For those, the only way to have a house is the FC house with friends. (and then, some part of "personnal" with the room)... just... Some players with enough gils buy all plot before any FC can buy...

So... it is another BIG matter with this personnal housing...

WHY a such personnal housing when other game do it fine?

One thing I am failing to grasp is why they are doing this. They KNOW they have a HUGE playerbase. They REMEMBER what happened with the 2.1 patch...so why is it that they are repeating the same mistakes?

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NO. It means there were not enough houses. Personal houses should be available for the grand majority. Please see other MMOs for examples;

EQ2, Wild Star, Rift, FFXI, LOTRO, and probably loads more.

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FFXI didn't have houses they had, rooms which are basically the same as what we have with FC personal rooms.

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I don't think you are considering the amount of houses bought vs the amount of players who still don't own a house. Only 38 players per housing area were able to buy a small house, that is 114 players per server, it doesn't mean the other hundred/thousand of players left out are able to afford them. This is why even if they double the amount of land in 2.4 they will not have enough land for everbody, unless they find a better way to manage their resources and add maybe add 4x or 5x the current amount.

OR they should stop treating all servers equally and accept that different servers will have different needs, a dead server definitely wont need 3x+ the current amount, but a legacy server does.

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System doesn't support this, but they're trying to get this in for 2.4.

Should they have not released personal housing at all till 2.4, or should they have released what they could right now, and release a ton more for 2.4 when they've upgraded the housing system?

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Thats nothing . Not near the rank 8 grind some small FCs have to go throug. You need max rank in GC to buy a personal room in FC also .......

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FFXI didn't have houses they had, rooms which are basically the same as what we have with FC personal rooms.

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Shhh, let them think what they want. They might throw things at ya. ;)

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Thats nothing . Not near the rank 8 grind some small FCs have to go throug. You need max rank in GC to buy a personal room in FC also .......

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You need rank 6 fc for fc house (about 100k FC points).

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System doesn't support this, but they're trying to get this in for 2.4.

Should they have not released personal housing at all till 2.4, or should they have released what they could right now, and release a ton more for 2.4 when they've upgraded the housing system?

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The first would have been better, yes people would have been angry with personal housing being delayed yet again, but this whole situation could have been avoided.

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FFXI didn't have houses they had, rooms which are basically the same as what we have with FC personal rooms.

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Yes actually many of us would rather have Mog Houses with planters then this travesty. The problem is more then just availability, it's the simple fact that there's no difference between FC housing and personal housing.

And there SHOULD be. If inn rooms had the ability to be decorated and have gardening inside you would not see so many disappointed people. And yes actually Moghouses ARE housing. They house your character, they affect your character, you can decorate the inside, you can garden, you can get rested, you can invite people in.

FFXI moghouses ARE Houses. In every sense of the word and it's application/definition.

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Shhh, let them think what they want. They might throw things at ya. ;)

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Too late :P And you will get things thrown at you if you claim silly things. Like moghouses aren't houses.... Really now..... lol.

But I thought the game had 2.3 million adventurers, the ads and videos love reminding everyone of that, surely they would have prepared for such a big player base that also proves this game is financial success subscription wise, right?

Thats true rank 6. But still takes time unlike getting max in GC .

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The first would have been better, yes people would have been angry with personal housing being delayed yet again, but this whole situation could have been avoided.

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Or the community could not freak the f*@! out about the limited release right now since more is coming within a month when they've upgraded their tech.

Besides, think of this more like a trial run so they can work out any issues that crop up with the few test subjects that get in now. Then they can try to iron out any problems before they release a much larger number of zones.

Okay, I'm pretty sure people are complaining just for the sake of complaining now.

I was curious because the house situation is EXTREMELY different on Adamantoise, that is, there are entire wards still open of small houses. So, I made a character on the OP's server (Behemoth) to check the status of small houses. This is what I found:

http://i59.tinypic.com/bdl505.png

http://i60.tinypic.com/qqd0d3.png

http://oi58.tinypic.com/333akqd.jpg

It doens't look to me like the houses are all bought up yet.

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Look on any Legacy server you won't find any small houses anywhere now. Some people missed out and thus the complaints.

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FFXI didn't have houses they had, rooms which are basically the same as what we have with FC personal rooms.

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Not to mention they were free. ;) We also have Mog Gardens..finally. After all these years. (Also free) It's basically your own oasis. Would have REALLY loved this back then...but better late than never.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...Mog_Garden.jpg

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Not to mention they were free. ;) We also have Mog Gardens..finally. After all these years. (Also free) It's basically your own oasis. Would have REALLY loved this back then...but better late than never.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...Mog_Garden.jpg

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PFFT. I might actually reactivate....

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PFFT. I might actually reactivate....

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Not only can you garden there, but you have a pet crab, you can mine, do some botany, and fish in either the ocean or a little pond. :)

Aion had an auction system where people could bid for housing. The top tier palaces were only attainable by the minority. They also had plentiful amounts of houses (small), estates (medium) and mansions (large) for those willing to pay the rent. Everyone else got a free instanced studio. SE take notes.