Atma: True or False?

I completed my Thyrus Atma at a stage of the game when the majority of the players were also grinding theirs. Completing F.A.T.E's at that time was quick and effortless. Every single time I completed one, I always had Gold Participation and the F.A.T.E's were always successful.

Now, I'd like to work on another Atma weapon and I have heard some theories on what is actually required to claim a F.A.T.E. in order to have the chance at an Atma dropping. I'm hoping that with the communities help I could separate some myths from some facts.

Note: Please provide screen shot's (when possible) to support your answers. Thanks!

True or False:

1) Atma's can drop from a F.A.T.E. regardless of the level of participation as long as the F.A.T.E. completes with a Success.
EXAMPLE:
http://i.imgur.com/W1oUPKB.png



2) You can gain an Atma from a F.A.T.E. regardless of the level of participation, even if the F.A.T.E. is a Failure.
EXAMPLE:
http://i.imgur.com/mGXPx8q.png



3) In order to obtain an Atma, you must score Gold Participation on a F.A.T.E. that is also a Success.
EXAMPLE:
http://i.imgur.com/AqKJCMG.png

You just have to participate enough to get Bronze credit and be in the zone when the FATE completes, either success or failure it doesn't matter. The rest is just luck.

So uh, 1 and 2 are true, 3 is false.

I've actually obtained "ATMA OF THE CRAB" by getting a silver metal. (sorry I don't have screen shots due to the fact it was a month ago) :D

I have acquired 3 atma sets.
1 and 2 true
3 false

Unverified:
The rng generator appears to be regional and time based.
Using random zone jumping every 5-10 fates netted an atma every 20-30 fates. (I have seen 2 100 fate gaps but those were rare)

Best advice, pick a number of fates you are comfortable doing in a day and stop after you hit that point. Good luck on "banging your head into the desk part 2: the second lump"

Thank you all for the quick replies. This matches the feedback I received from some linkshell mates. I'm hoping that someone took a screen shot of themselves or know of someone else that has posted a screen shot of such conditions when receiving an Atma. It's not that I don't want to believe the feedback (because I do) but until it actually happens to you, or you see proof, you always have that doubt in the back of your mind. If you know what I mean.

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Originally Posted by PhantomDreams

I've actually obtained "ATMA OF THE CRAB" by getting a silver metal. (sorry I don't have screen shots due to the fact it was a month ago) :D

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This is great info. Thank you for sharing. I'd like to follow up with a side question to you specifically. Do you think there is a drop percentage difference based on your participation level of F.A.T.E. completion? Or you think it's a flat % regardless of the participation.

Thanks again everyone for the quick replies, I appreciate it!

I don't have SS for it because it was months back, but I once participated in the West Thanalan FATE "Doomed", managed to only hit the boss once before it died (with an Aero spell no less) and received an Atma crystal for it. I've never gotten one from a FATE that failed, but obviously that doesn't prove you can't. As for a correlation between participation and chance rate, I obviously can't be sure but I doubt it, I've read that Yoshida confirmed that getting a crystal is pure RNG.

I got atma of the archer I think it was called, the north shroud one, just by using energy drain on that giant collosus.was surprised I'd even get credit let alone an atma as I turned up just before it died

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Originally Posted by Lollie

Unverified:
The rng generator appears to be regional and time based.

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This was verified. Yoshi-P said himself it's purely RNG. There are no Japanese time theories or any of that nonsense. RNG is, always has been, and always will be RNG.

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Originally Posted by Barboron

This was verified. Yoshi-P said himself it's purely RNG. There are no Japanese time theories or any of that nonsense. RNG is, always has been, and always will be RNG.

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I agree with you 100%. It's totally RNG based and I have personally always thought that it was. But what about what I said earlier. Does the % of RNG change based on the participation level? Gold, Silver, Bronze? Or do you personally think that it's a flat % of RNG regardless of the participation?

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Originally Posted by Fervid

I agree with you 100%. It's totally RNG based and I have personally always thought that it was. But what about what I said earlier. Does the % of RNG change based on the participation level? Gold, Silver, Bronze? Or do you personally think that it's a flat % of RNG regardless of the participation?

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I wouldn't even want to spend the time investigating. Should anyone make claims I would assume they are falling foul to the biased opinions described in one of the Dev. posts some time ago.

You cannot alter the probability of getting an atma.
It is always the same, at all times, every single time you try. All you can do is try to get some kind of credit in fate after fate until you get all 12 or quit.

I'd like if anyone can confirm that you can get an Atma on a FAILURE.

I'm not talking about getting copper or silver, but actually failing to complete the FATE even if you would otherwise get credit for it. I've seen conflicting reports about this but I've never seen someone actually verify an Atma on a Failure(Too often they confuse failed with just getting copper).

I'm specially interested now because when doing fates alone there are some fates that I simply do not have the time to complete and It'd be nice I could just tag them and let the timer run out.

I've farmed 120 atmas and all I can say is that all of mine were obtained from golded, successful FATEs. Most of the FATEs I did fell in that category, so my experience isn't exactly indicative of anything, but over all the time farming there were still quite a few that didn't fall in that category. I just never happened to get an atma from any of them.

What I am interested in knowing is if you have different odds (presumably lower chances) of getting an atma if you don't win or if you get a lower grade.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

I'd like if anyone can confirm that you can get an Atma on a FAILURE.

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Yes, exactly the point of this thread. I'm in the same boat as you. I'm trying to get another Atma weapon and I'm finding that there are sometimes 1 or 2 people or even no others at all to help with these F.A.T.E's. Sure, I can solo one here or there, but the problem is that while i'm solo'ing it, there are other F.A.T.E's that are timing out and I don't get a chance to participate at all.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

What I am interested in knowing is if you have different odds (presumably lower chances) of getting an atma if you don't win or if you get a lower grade.

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This is definitely something that I'm trying to find out also. Which is why I've been asking for those with experience to share as much information as possible.


For several hours today I have been farming for an Atma in Eastern Thanalan. I'm basically tossing a single shield lob at a mob and then running away. Sometimes I get Silver and a Failure and sometimes I get a Bronze with a Success. But so far zero Atma's. I'm still trying to encourage others to post a screen shot or video of an Atma being obtained when the situation was not Gold and Successful.

So for the last two weeks (off and on) I have been trying to get an Atma in Eastern Thanalan with no luck. During Mon-Thurs I have committed 1-2 hours a day and on Fri, Sat, Sun 3-4 hours a day. I have been purposely getting Bronze and Silver contribution on all fates in the zone and not had any luck. I know some people here have said that they have gotten an Atma with only Silver contribution, but I'm starting to think it's really just a myth. I have still not seen any screen shots or any actual proof of anyone getting an Atma on Bronze, Silver or even Failed Fates.

Is it possible that there are even lower rates based on player contribution and on success/failed fates? I have two Atma weapons and each of those weapons I was able to get within the span of 2-3 weeks. I am stuck on this one zone and it's almost been the same amount of time.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

I'd like if anyone can confirm that you can get an Atma on a FAILURE.

I'm not talking about getting copper or silver, but actually failing to complete the FATE even if you would otherwise get credit for it. I've seen conflicting reports about this but I've never seen someone actually verify an Atma on a Failure(Too often they confuse failed with just getting copper).

I'm specially interested now because when doing fates alone there are some fates that I simply do not have the time to complete and It'd be nice I could just tag them and let the timer run out.

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Yes, I can confirm you CAN get Atma from a Failed FATE. I got an Atma from a Failed Fate (Gold contribution).

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Originally Posted by Lollie

Best advice, pick a number of fates you are comfortable doing in a day and stop after you hit that point. Good luck on "banging your head into the desk part 2: the second lump"

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When I finally decided to buckle down and grind out my Atma, I did something similar to this. Instead of X number of FATEs, I relegated a select amount of time. I gave myself three hours each day. After the five I had already earned months ago before giving up on the whole process entirely, I actually managed to get the other seven atma stones in half a week! It's all about pacing.

Can tell you for a fact that I've gotten an Atma from a failed bronze medal FATE. Hope that clears everything up.

Pretty much hit a mob once in a FATE and keep it moving if multiple FATEs are up.

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Originally Posted by Fervid

So for the last two weeks (off and on) I have been trying to get an Atma in Eastern Thanalan with no luck. During Mon-Thurs I have committed 1-2 hours a day and on Fri, Sat, Sun 3-4 hours a day. I have been purposely getting Bronze and Silver contribution on all fates in the zone and not had any luck. I know some people here have said that they have gotten an Atma with only Silver contribution, but I'm starting to think it's really just a myth. I have still not seen any screen shots or any actual proof of anyone getting an Atma on Bronze, Silver or even Failed Fates.

Is it possible that there are even lower rates based on player contribution and on success/failed fates? I have two Atma weapons and each of those weapons I was able to get within the span of 2-3 weeks. I am stuck on this one zone and it's almost been the same amount of time.

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There's no lower rates bro. It's all based on a specific drop rate, which is defined as about 1~5%. That includes any manner of FATE completion -- gold, silver, bronze, success or failure. You're better off tagging every FATE as normal and praying for a drop, lol.

If you remember, I was just at it non-stop; I stopped doing anything else in game and just hit FATEing hard until it was done. I also didn't subscribe to "I'll do FATEs in area Y this for X number of hours a day," instead I played like "I'm going to FATE in this area nonstop until I don't care about playing anymore today," and completely stop for the day when I obtained an Atma. Usually it lasted 2-6 hours, then I'd give up and stop playing for the day or get an Atma. If I didn't get an Atma, I'd be back in the same zone the next time I felt like playing. Setting arbitrary numbers of farming time will only discourage you, because it will raise your expectations of seeing a drop within that time frame. If you go in with absolutely no expectation of a drop, you'll be able to go at it longer and be pleasantly surprised when it does drop finally.