Is it illegal to use macro programs to make crafting easier? I'm talking about just having it spam standard synthesis on a recipe you know will not fail anyways.
Macro Programs? Illegal?
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08-02-2011, 08:18 AMFixyMacro Programs? Illegal?
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08-02-2011, 08:19 AMTheVedis
Yes it is 100% illegal to use any program to enhance your gameplay or to do things for you
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08-02-2011, 08:22 AMAntanias
They may think you're an RMT and rip ya a new one with the banhammer :(
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08-02-2011, 08:23 AMmysterytaru
Because SE's forums are a great place to talk about using bots to play the game for you.
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08-02-2011, 08:27 AMRuriI loled, also OP any 3rd party program used to enhance gameplay = autoban.Quote:
Originally Posted by mysterytaru
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08-02-2011, 08:27 AMFixymy g15 wasnt illegal in wow. so im just asking...Quote:
Originally Posted by mysterytaru
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08-02-2011, 08:30 AMZenaku
It's called boting here but then again SE does not care right now there so many RMT lol and so many website with crafting bots.
What i do my controller have boost and i just set it for X and hold it while crafting or seeing tv then just put back the item needed and do over and over again seeing how i'm still pressing it and doing it myself i don't think that boting lol. -
08-02-2011, 08:35 AMMattyWS
Well with the keyboard I have it's possible to just program macros to do everything for me, so does this mean I am breaking the rules?
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08-02-2011, 08:38 AMZenakupretty much yes lol and i guess in a way am breaking the rules also setting my controller to do Boost and i just hold X while it spam but i'm still pressing and putting back the item so i guess in a way it's not? lol i don't know SE TOS is weird and sometime i don't even know anyways pretty much it breaking the rules and you and the op could get ban if SE want too,.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyWS
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08-02-2011, 08:38 AMEvangela
It's illegal but there's no way SE know
XIV doesn't even has nProtect or something like that -
08-02-2011, 08:51 AMDubontI couldn't help but lol at this statement...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixy
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08-02-2011, 08:53 AMRuriSame. /10charsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dubont
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08-02-2011, 08:57 AMZenakuput it this way :) ffxiv never going to have addon that does everything for you and any program that does something for you or make your life easy in eorzea is cheating and you would ban you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixy
They did say they may allow Addon but only for UI making -
08-02-2011, 09:10 AMFixyhow? you act like the most popular mmo in the world is something to laugh at? its been 3 years since i played that trash and it was legal in that game so i ask if it is here. so rude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruri
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08-02-2011, 09:16 AMZenakuLet me warn you a lot of FFXI players think wow is a joke and there players also. I learn this when i play ffxi for 6years no one like blizzard or wow. It's not being rude it just a big % of wow players think that every game should have addon and do everything for you and most of the players are kids so don't take it as rude just how things are over here with ffxi players. I play wow for 2month to see what the big deal with it and i agree wow players are just jokes i did meet a few good people but it's hard to meet good people within your own world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixy
But anyways reason you not allow to is because this game coming out for ps3 and just like ffxi on ps2 you can't use a addon due to ps2/ps3 can't have them so it's not right for PC having it and not the console so this is the reason for it. -
08-02-2011, 09:20 AMDubontYou basically said "Hey guys, I'm a known botter in one of the easiest, mind numbing, childishly one sided games of all time and I want to know if I can also bot in a game that requires a little more skill. Guys, the game is hard, can I use my bot to cheat and reap the rewards that I did not earn?" The answer is: no. Go back to WoW if you want to bot. Btw, your character's name is now known...good job on making it easier to report you >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixy
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08-02-2011, 09:21 AMRuriIt's a popular game but I like the community here (Maybe not so much the forums but in-game). WoW also looks like a giant blob of colors when I've seen raid videos. Not that I'm a graphics whore but thats one of the reasons I stear away from it. Now I hope this doesn't turn into a FF11-FF14 vs WoW thread... just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixy
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08-02-2011, 09:21 AMDubontFFXi on the PS2 actually did have a few bots. You could buy a switch mechanism that could fish and craft for you. Later on, once people started installing it on their PS3s, actual programs started coming out for it due to the PS3 being able to use a second OS =p Fun fact for ya lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
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08-02-2011, 09:28 AMFixythat has NOTHING at all to do with you all being egotistic when i stated i used my G15 in the last mmo i played. its just being plain rude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruri
Asshole of the day here, with no manners at that. G15 was accepted by blizzard in wow, because it was not technically 3rd party software. How about you go back to wow if you want to act like a immature brat. (see what i did there)Quote:
You basically said "Hey guys, I'm a known botter in one of the easiest, mind numbing, childishly one sided games of all time and I want to know if I can also bot in a game that requires a little more skill. Guys, the game is hard, can I use my bot to cheat and reap the rewards that I did not earn?" The answer is: no. Go back to WoW if you want to bot. Btw, your character's name is now known...good job on making it easier to report you >.>
As for the serious responses, ill try and email SE and see what they say. -
08-02-2011, 09:33 AMRuriJust explaing why I think WoW is a joke is all. Since thats what you responded to me with. Nevermind I can tell this conversation will go nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixy
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08-02-2011, 09:43 AMZenakuDo you think i cared? about bots? i was to busy playing the game :) anyways how should i know they really had bots for ps2/ps3 when i played on pc? and only played on ps2 for 1year. No need to say it such a smart ass way you know o.o the point of the matter is that am not talking about bots i was talking how SE wont waste there money trying to make addon also work for ps3 due to them being lazy with it so that why it never going to happen in ffxiv.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubont
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08-02-2011, 09:48 AMAva
Just personal opinion, but:
If you're not automating things (like recording mouse movements + button presses + conditions), then you're fine. Square might think otherwise but by toggling certain features in your driver software should not be illegal. I also have a keyboard capable of macros, and I do use them, I've always used them and there is absolutely no way SE, or anyone else could ever know. I'm not using them to bot, I'm not using them to automate, I am simply using features on my modern keyboard. I don't see any problem with it, they don't give me an edge, they simply make the game more comfortable for me to play because the controls in this game are atrocious.
I would personally look down on someone that makes a macro to craft for them, that would be crossing the line, IMO. But just telling your keyboard to repeat a single key when you hold it down or something, I don't see a problem. -
08-02-2011, 09:49 AMMattyWSSo you're telling me the £95 gaming keyboard that I bought in order to make my gaming life better and easier is not allowed? What about my £73 gaming mouse? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
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08-02-2011, 09:50 AMPetori
They say WoW is for kids and they act like one themselves. Yes, this community is SO mature. Just look at this forum and you'll see it.
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08-02-2011, 09:56 AMMattyWS
To be fair, have you seen any of the WoW forums? :P
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08-02-2011, 10:00 AMZenakuo.o if the mouse and keyboard is doing it stuff for you by itself then yes but if just short cut then no i did not mean it in that way -.-Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyWS
Does everyone on here take everything way to serious. -
08-02-2011, 10:02 AMAvaHate to break it to you, but... we are ALL using third party software to play this game. There's a reason other companies have stopped caring about macro software. It's nearly impossible to draw a line between malicious third party software and safe third party software because we all use it. Companies like SE just put a blanket statement out there to be safe. Other companies like Blizzard actually have the capacity to define the line, which is automation software, rather than third party software.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruri
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08-02-2011, 10:04 AMMattyWSNah I was just messin'. The difference being macro buttons don't play the game for you (unless it's this keyboard that I can set to record any keyboard input I want).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
Bots are retarded, why bother with a game if you aren't going to play it? -
08-02-2011, 10:04 AMReika
how about $200 gaming keyboards?
nvm i see that was answered :D -
08-02-2011, 10:06 AMPhenidateWell if thats the opinion folks are going to hold, ridiculous as it may be...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
put it this way :) ffxiv never going to have addon that does everything for you and any program that does something for you or make your life easy in eorzea is cheating and you would ban you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixy
They did say they may allow Addon but only for UI making
BRB, reporting players who use controllers that happen to have macro or turbo buttons.
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08-02-2011, 10:08 AMPetoriNo, because I don't play the game itself. I'm sure that there are more immature players there than here due to the fact that WoW has millions of more players than FFXI and FFXIV combined. But I'd say the ratio is about the same <_<.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyWS
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08-02-2011, 10:08 AMZenakuI don't understand that also why play a game if you going to bot to 50 on crafting? or fishing or anything like that. But whatever to each it own i got happy when i got 80 cooking in ffxi within 5days and 90-100k only waste thanks to a awesome website and buying everything from NPC /farm the crystal only think that really cost a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyWS
i wish ffxiv had that but all the stuff in the npc are over price. -
08-02-2011, 10:10 AMZenakulol you do understand that i'm still pressing the button right? it just click faster so i can craft little faster then pressing it 500times? So it's really not cheating but w/e i think this was a joke to start with so ahahah lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Phenidate
and what i mean make your left easy was something that does it for you without you even there maybe i should have put that more clear but i thought people would be smart enough to get what meant but i guess not lol. -
08-02-2011, 10:12 AMMattyWS
You can make a second macro button to press the button 500 times for you :P
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08-02-2011, 10:23 AMPhenidateUnfortunately you did not specify.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
If anything, SE has a history of refusing to differentiate on using anything which alters the game experience (which you did just admit to on the official forum I'd like to point out with that "it just click faster so i can craft little faster then pressing it 500times? So it's really not cheating but w/e i think this was a joke to start with so ahahah lol"...) . Their stance has been that any 3rd party application is grounds for account termination. I'm going to guess you need some form of software to operate a device that does what you described.
During my time with FFXI, they were banning users for something as minor as a program that changed how the game ran in it's window, a ban which meant you were gone with no chance at appeal in the worst case. I'd hate to see us going back to that, especially considering the fact that multiple users on this forum have already admitted to using some form of 3rd party application to alter how the games window is set up.
Food for thought. -
08-02-2011, 10:31 AMAvaWe are all using third party software. We are all at risk of account termination. But as long as we're responsible with our third party software, we'll be fine. If you use keyboard drivers, that's third party software. Same with mouse drivers, or gamepad drivers. Anyone using MotionInJoy drivers to use a DS3 controller on their PC is using third party software. I think SE has learned from FFXI that it's ridiculously difficult to enforce rules on "third party software" because it's literally impossible to play this game without the use of third party software. I do not anticipate bans on people using software like AutoHotkey to play this game in a borderless window to avoid DirectX crashes like they did with FFXI because it's unfair, and they know it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenidate
Same applies to macros. I do not anticipate people being banned for using macros unless they automate many different actions based on conditions, because automation is bad and is considered botting. -
08-02-2011, 10:32 AMReika
It would be stupid if SE banned people for having gaming mice and keyboards. just consider me toast, even tho ive been using gaming mice and keyboards way before FFXI came out lol.
Fraps is 3rd party software too. consider everyone that records in-game movies banned. -
08-02-2011, 10:45 AMPhenidate
I'd like to point out that in FFXI's case, using any form of 3rd party method for altering the gaming experience was a bannable offense, regardless of how minor the mod was. An application that changes how the game runs in a window? Banned, no appeal. Imagine if they were to apply such a stance to this game, and the readily available admissions on this forum to using such apps; not only that but also SUGGESTING other players to use them.
In this case, Zenkaku has even admitted to using a program that automates his crafting by pressing a button 500 times for him. Bravo on that but bear in mind that this would be considered a macro.
I'd get into the differences between macros and bots here, but I'll just leave it at the key points.
Macros assume the player is actively playing and pressing keys. Bots require little to no player input, running by itself once its started. -
08-02-2011, 10:45 AMDubontNo manners? Dude lol you just came onto a FFXIV forum and asked about using bots..then admitted to using a bot in WoW (2 things that most FFXIV players don't like: bots and WoW). How do you expect people to react? Why would you ask SE about the use of bots when, if you had read the ToS, it clearly says that it's against the rules. The G15 keyboard, by itself, will not get you banned, but using the macro capability to spam standard synth WILL get you banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixy
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08-02-2011, 11:56 AMSeif
lol at people defending the effort they put in pressing the crafting button, honestly. SE has done so many great mini-games in FF titles that I hope they add something like that to crafting aswell. Crafting by playing a quick match of something like Bejeweled would be fun while waiting for pt members or something.