So can anyone guess what the new song the Minstrel gave us tell of the future story events?
I know you all read it as well for possible future story content information.
Minstrel's Song from The Rising
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08-28-2014, 04:55 AMEdwinLiMinstrel's Song from The Rising
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08-28-2014, 05:36 AMEnkidoh
What, you mean this?
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That was released here on the Lodestone as part of Yoshi's New Year's message at the beginning of this year, and basically was a teaser of how the story was going to unfold in the 2.2 and 2.3 patches. So the event has basically just referenced that (although it did confirm;)the 'lances of light' is the player, ending that speculation). -
08-28-2014, 06:12 AMEcks007
Pretty sure he was talking about the second part, after that, Enkidoh.
The Wandering Minstrel even says that those are words from Louisoix. But he sings a new song after that.
Gah, now I wanna log back in to remember what his words were. I remember the part about a great gate groaning but that's about it off the top of my head. That part refers to the Gates of Judgement, leading to Ishgard. Pretty sure on that. -
08-28-2014, 06:26 AMJacost
Well, the Rime-kissed blade can only refer to Shiva.
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08-28-2014, 06:51 AMEcks007
"A growing light o'er all the realm
Fingers bright on highlands white
In an instance, a blade that smites the night.
But ill winds rise as the great gates yawn
Hope rides to meet what naught can cheat
An old despair astride a new-shod mare..."
There.. logged back in just to see what it was. XD
An obvious reference to Coerthas Central Highlands as "highlands white", and the "great gates yawn", or in other words, open. Meaning the Gates of Judgement will be open at some point. But I think that's a given with the way the story is going. The rest, well I suppose is open to interpretation, or perhaps unknown currently. Well, the very first line I believe is referring to us adventurers or perhaps Hydaelyn.
The final line.. I think of Odin for some reason. But it could be that it is referring to the Ishgardian Holy See (the old guy we see surrounded by Ishgardian Knights). -
08-28-2014, 06:54 AMWinterSolsticeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ecks007
It's for sure Ishgard. We've already gotten a view of the Archbishop of Ishgard (Cutscene shows the Archbishop on his throne, and we see Lahabrea and Elidibus on either side of him). Yoshi has also clearly stated, along with other devs, that we'd be going to Ishgard in the future. I for one can't wait, it's about time for the world to get a bit bigger ^^
I thought of Odin at first as well, but that seems too easy. It might be referring to the fact that the Ascians are manipulating the Archbishop, hence an old threat masquerading as a new one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecks007
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08-28-2014, 07:02 AMEdwinLi
Ya the song sounds like it say we may eventually have to fight our way into Ishgard first to defeat the new evil now growing in Ishgard behind their Gates.
It would be interesting if the first step to unlocking Ishgard is to stop the Pope's plan for all out war considering the final step to awakening Zordiak is to make Ishgard go to war. -
08-28-2014, 07:12 AMWinterSolsticeThat would be interesting, but if we go off of speculation and assume what we're getting at is all true, the line "Hope rides to meet what naught can cheat" might very well mean that we try and fail, which leads nicely into Zodiark.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwinLi
That, coupled with the fact that we have a very strong tendency to do absolutely jack-shit about stopping anything from being summoned. Seriously we just stood there and watched for some of them. -
08-28-2014, 07:24 AMFendredIt's a problem made even worse by the EX primals being cannon in the story. The second we saw the first three get resummoned, we should have made countermeasures to deal with future beast tribes attempting to do the same thing. They can make some exceptions for Leviathan since they could just summon him in the depths of the ocean out of our reach, but Ramuh and King Mog are kinda toss ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterSolstice
Also, the minstrel's song is just... meh?... after you decipher it. So the hidden message is "You have brought light to the realm, but because you are getting in the way of every big bad's plans, nastier stuff awaits you!" Seriously? You made a cryptic song just to tell us what even our characters' already know? We're at war with an enemy we have yet to defeat. Of course there is going to be a magical arms race! -
08-28-2014, 07:24 AMHaelseMikiro
An old despair astride a new-shod mare.
I'd interpret that either as 'the primal threat' with Shiva simply being the newest incarnation of it (also we expect her to drop a new horse)
or
less likely it's Lahabrea with a new physical host -
08-28-2014, 08:21 AMWinterSolsticeWe're getting Shiva in 2.4, so why refer to her when she's being released so soon? They already referred to Shiva in a previous poem.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro
However it has been hinted that she is behind the Dravinian Heretics in Coerthas...so maybe? Dravinia is at war with Ishgard, so it certainly fits. -
08-28-2014, 08:42 AMEdwinLiYa it kind of sucks that no matter how much we feel like we won in the end the Ascians appears and say...Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterSolstice
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and then reveals that they have a plan B, C, D, E, F, G, and H to make certain their plan still succeeded.
I know they had centuries to planned the resurrection of Zodiark but by the twelve I won't be surprised if they had a back up plan that goes beyond a Plan Z.
the Protagonists of FF14 need a way to one up the Ascians or else the Ascians will always be in their Win/Win situation while we are stuck with a win/lose situation. -
08-28-2014, 09:15 AMNamasuDefinitely Shiva imo as well. The continuing line also suggests that blood will be spilled in "fields of white" which fit the snowy nature of Ishgard and Coerthas. This leads me to believe that there might be a 3 way battle between the adventurer of Eorzea vs Ishgard vs Shiva.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacost
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08-28-2014, 10:12 AMAlberelShiva is unrelated to the Dravanian heretics. The events in 2.3 make it pretty clear that her bandit crew are an entirely separate faction.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterSolstice
I'm of the opinion this 'new shod mare' is Lahabrea's new host. The events of 2.5 will likely culminate in us defeating Lahabrea at last and liberating Ishgard in the process. We will NOT be facing Zodiark yet, it's far too soon and there are twelve other Ascians to deal with first. -
08-28-2014, 10:12 AMFendredWhat we need to do is unprecedented... stockpile several tons of peyote so that an army of adventurers can partake in the world's largest ever Indian spirit journey for the goal of scouring every corner of the spirit realm for these black cloaked bastards. I can't vouch for our collective sobriety during this procedure or ability to think clearly, so we'll have to make due with our raw numbers. It will be glorious!Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwinLi
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08-28-2014, 10:26 AMGelestoAnyone else think this sounds like Odin vs Alexander? or New Odin fight alongside the release of Alexander too?Quote:
"A growing light o'er all the realm
Fingers bright on highlands white
In an instance, a blade that smites the night.
But ill winds rise as the great gates yawn
Hope rides to meet what naught can cheat
An old despair astride a new-shod mare..."
My reasoning:
"A growing light o'er all the realm" - Alexander has always been aspected with Holy
"Fingers bright on highlands white" - Alexander is usually a robot who leans forward onto his hands but has also had an incarnation as a castle (Ishgard anyone?)
"In an instance, a blade that smites the night." - Zantetsuken Odin's signature move in previous titles (and in FFXIV opening titles) he enters at night in the light of a full moon (hoping the in an instance is referring to Odin becoming more than a FATE monster)
"But ill winds rise as the great gates yawn" - In FF7 Alexander fired beams from his mouth to attack (directly in front of him) "Great gates yawn" well it wouldn't be the incarnation of alexander to be a building
"Hope rides to meet what naught can cheat" - "what naught can cheat" has to be Death right? (the effect of Zantetsuken) "Hope rides to meet" In FFXIII what was the name of the little boy who could summon Alexander? (its Hope)
"An old despair astride a new-shod mare..." - Sleipnir Odin's "mare" currently it has too few legs for Final Fantasy (much like Gilgamesh with his arms, of which we already know will be gaining more) "Shod" referring to Horse shoes gonna need them for all those new legs he will have.
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08-28-2014, 12:36 PMRamen
Wondering Minstrel need a real glasses now not goggles :O
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08-28-2014, 01:04 PMMyvar
I would give my input.
The first staza:
A growing light o'er all the realm
Fingers bright on highlands white
In an instance, a blade that smites the night.
This could read more like "The Warriors of Light, who are bringing light to the realm, will take up arms in Coerthas to strike down the threat (perhaps Shiva)."
The second stanza:
But ill winds rise as the great gates yawn
Hope rides to meet what naught can cheat
An old despair astride a new-shod mare...
This could read more like "Then, as the great gates (of Ishgard) open, a threat will rise, and hope (probably the Warriors of Light) will ride to meet this death (which none can cheat) which has long been a despair (possibly referring to the dragons) but is now different in some way."
Alternatively, the last part could mean that "what naught can cheat" is "that which has long been a despair but is now different in some way." -
08-29-2014, 03:59 AMEdwinLiI don't think it involves Odin nor Alexander.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelesto
As of now the song fits more towards Ishagard and events leading to the opening of their gates. -
08-29-2014, 04:10 AMShiobanhttp://www.picturesnew.com/media/images/facepalm.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
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08-29-2014, 04:26 AMTiggy
My thoughts...
A growing light o'er all the realm
- Adventurers and the creation of the new grand company.
Fingers bright on highlands white
- Shiva's influence grows in the north.
In an instance, a blade that smites the night.
- An assassination. Perhaps the king of Ishgard.
But ill winds rise as the great gates yawn
- The gates of Ishgard shall open. Possibly due to the assassination.
Hope rides to meet what naught can cheat
- This makes me think that we will represent hope and ride out to meet death. Perhaps this references the Ascian's and the way they keep cheating death. Minfilia was looking for a way to kill them after witnessing the events with the Sahagin. Perhaps we ride out with purpose to kill an Ascian. Dealing the first true blow to their cause.
An old despair astride a new-shod mare...
- An old despair. Three ideas come to mind. Bahamut, the Ascians, the Allag. A new-shod mare could be a mount but it could also mean a soul riding a new body. The coil would be wrapping up by the end of the poem here, and the Ascian storyline will be building to the first expansion. I think those are our best bets.
if Bahamut he could possibly be reincarnated or re-summoned into a new form that's smaller are more potent.
Even better would be Omega in a combination Allag Ascian threat. In PvP they already hinted at Omega's existence. It could be Ascians using it in place of Ultima. -
08-29-2014, 04:48 AMEnkidoh
Just a few clarifications are in order Tiggy:
Actually Ishgard pulled out of the Alliance long ago - they don't have a Grand Company, and there would be no reason for them to form one given their continuing neutral attitudes to the Alliance. If anything this just probably alludes to the growing amount of adventurers all flocking to defend the realm due to the player's actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
Ishgard is a theocracy (a country ruled by a church) and not a kingdom. Their head of state is an archbishop. But yes, given the recent revelations concerning the Holy See, it's entirely possible the player is going to be forced to take drastic action in order to avoid all out war. But I guess we'll see. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
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08-29-2014, 04:53 AMTiggyI'm talking about the one we helped Alphinaud Leveilleur create in 2.3 that is made up of adventurers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enkidoh
King, Bishop. Whatever. The leader of the city. Splitting hairs man. The point stands. I think someone very high in political importance will be assassinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enkidoh
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08-29-2014, 05:19 AMmythicroseI don't think we're done with Bahumut in coil 3. I believe we fail in the "best" sense. We don't stop Bahumut but he escapes (or is forced to flee) before being totally renewed by the allagan technology. It'll be Omega weapon (which our fellow Eorzeans and/or Scions unearth) that takes out Bahumut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
The dragonkin plauging Ishgard is invgorated by Bahumut's presense. They have no choice but to swallow their pride and ask Eorzea for help...knowing how they refused Eorzea to help against the Garlean Empire. -
08-29-2014, 05:21 AMTiggyI think that's very plausible. Also, don't forget about the scheming Lala's in Ul'dah. I wonder if that plot is going to thicken instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by mythicrose