Threads seem to be getting closed a lot lately for trash talking

Just noticed this post:

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Got closed down and just looking at the last few pages it became painfully clear why, but honestly guys how can we let things get that bad? When it doesn't even become about the topic and instead personal bickering.

I feel like instead of bashing each other for "Complaining"/"White Knighting"/"Trolling" we should just enter each thread trying to produce something of value to the respective topic.

We should act mature, polite, and civil like I hope many of you do to other people in real life. Not as many threads would get closed that way with good topics for discussion.

Just wanted to take a moment to say this. Thanks for listening guys :)

*gets off soap box*

Thread was trash to begin with. Should have been closed after the OP hit the post button.

threads get closed because those who can't accept the fact that others disagree with them go on and troll the post...much like mine...right from the start, the thread was getting trolled because I didn't think 1.18 was the "god of all patches."

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Originally Posted by Dubont

threads get closed because those who can't accept the fact that others disagree with them go on and troll the post...much like mine...right from the start, the thread was getting trolled because I didn't think 1.18 was the "god of all patches."

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I just don't understand how people can go into a FORUM (i.e. a place for creativity, discussion, and community) thinking "if this person doesn't agree with me I will DESTROY THEIR SOUL!"

I'm guilty of this as well, but I feel like slowly I've begun to understand how trifling and stupid it is to make a post based on raw emotion.

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Originally Posted by Ventus

I just don't understand how people can go into a FORUM (i.e. a place for creativity, discussion, and community) thinking "if this person doesn't agree with me I will DESTROY THEIR SOUL!"

I'm guilty of this as well, but I feel like slowly I've begun to understand how trifling and stupid it is to make a post based on raw emotion.

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this is what happens in games with terrible communities...

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this is what happens in games with terrible communities...

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thats all games

trolls FTL

Never hurts to be polite.

I sometimes think people do this sort of thing intentionally to get devs to close out threads they disagree with by picking fights with everyone hoping to get a reaction.

I also don't understand how everyone who is defending 1.18 says it's god of patches on one hand while saying we need to wait to critique the new direction of the game for another 3 patches on the other. =/

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

I sometimes think people do this sort of thing intentionally to get devs to close out threads they disagree with by picking fights with everyone hoping to get a reaction.

I also don't understand how everyone who is defending 1.18 says it's god of patches on one hand while saying we need to wait to critique the new direction of the game for another 3 patches on the other. =/

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I think it's a case of everyone agreeing that there's something wrong, but not agreeing on what's actually wrong. Lots of people are pointing to cures, some to enmity/tanking, others to AA, still others maybe to Multishot. But, just like not everyone can agree on what's actually broken, no one can agree on what needs to be done. Some (like myself) are content to wait for 1.19 and 1.20 to see what awaits, while others want to see their pet issues fixed now.

I'm personally happy with the overall direction they're taking. Tanking the Ogre and Batraal has been the most fun I've had in this game thus far. Is 1.18 perfect? Hell no. Will 1.19/1.20 fix everything? You'd be crazy to even ask. Does the future of the game look promising? You'd have to ask yourself, but I know what my answer is. . .

I fully agree with and support the OP's point in this thread. Especially with the example given. There is NO reason to speak to someone like that, and each person involved should be ashamed.

It would be nice to have more discussion and less arguments in these forums. Unfortunately there are people who do not see the difference in that.

Thumbs up for polite conversation and topical discussions :)

Lucinda xXx

Everyones just s bad as each other here, everyones a hypocryte and I've been on forums much more polite, XIV does have the worse community i have ever experienced. Most likely due to the games status though.

You get trolls who troll the game, QQers who are upset and then asshats who just personally attack/insult other people for not liking something in the game, rather than just expressing their opinion about the topic instead of the person.

It will never end or change.

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Originally Posted by viion

Everyones just s bad as each other here, everyones a hypocryte and I've been on forums much more polite, XIV does have the worse community i have ever experienced. Most likely due to the games status though.

You get trolls who troll the game, QQers who are upset and then asshats who just personally attack/insult other people for not liking something in the game, rather than just expressing their opinion about the topic instead of the person.

It will never end or change.

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To me calling the community the worst ever sounds a hell a lot of trolling right there. Have you ever been on an MMO forum before? Besides the usual forum bickering that always takes place, especially after any major patch FFXIV's community is actually one of the best I've experienced among MMO's today. You'd have to go back to the early RoZ days of XI to find a community that could compete in my opinion.

At least on Selbina, maybe the antisocial crowd hangs out on Besaid /shrug

I tend to notice that most exchanges start off okay and quite civil. However, there are certain people (in any game's forum community) who live only to stir things up and/or who believe their opinion is "The One That Matters" and trumps all others; that once they've imparted their 'truth' on others, the thread is basically over and everyone should just shut up and agree with them. Sometimes those people start the threads in question, immediately dismissing or talking down to any who disagree with them, making you wonder if they realize they're on a "discussion forum".

I've seen folks actually tell people to leave their thread if they don't agree with the OP. The height of tolerance right there, let me tell ya.

That right there makes for a hostile environment, when people can't express a differing opinion without the OP blowing a gasket over it. If some people would simply realize that, however strongly they believe something, it's still only their opinion and others are going to disagree.. and it's okay that they do... I think that would help a lot. That is, of course, unless what's being presented is indeed verifiable fact that is true for everyone.

Unfortunately, that's not the case, it seems many are rather insecure in their opinions, thin-skinned against any counter-opinion and treat any disagreement as a personal attack. We've all seen the instances of people responding to perfectly reasonably presented counter-arguments by dismissing them as "trolling", I'm sure.

It would also help if more people would read others' posts more carefully and take in what they're actually trying to say, rather than ignore most of it, take comments out of context, ignore entire paragraphs of detail and clarification, and then cherry-pick one or two statements and bash someone for them. Or, they flat out put words in other people's mouths, attributing things to them that they never said, but arguing them as though they had (ie. strawman argument).

In all, if people could become more tolerant, more open-minded and stop being so quick to go on the defensive the moment they see a different opinion from their own being presented... It would help a lot.

For myself, I do my best to keep my posts civil... Unfortunately, my achilles heal in that effort is when I see people blatantly arguing their opinions as fact, inventing or misrepresenting information to suit their argument, or flat out ignoring evidence proving contrary to their claims. There's a point at which you have to say "Okay, I really thought "A" was the case, but in light of new information "B" that I didn't know before, I realize I was wrong". Instead, some people go on arguing "A" as though "B" had never come to their attention. When people blatantly misrepresent or ignore verifiable facts and proceeds to argue as though they weren't so... *that* annoys me. Though, that's the case in any situation, online or offline. I just *love* politicians, for example... >.>

In all, I agree... the forums overall would do well to kick back and relax a bit and realize we're all just people having a discussion about a common interest. No one's going to die or be injured from a different point-of-view.

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Originally Posted by Ventus

Just noticed this post:

here

Got closed down and just looking at the last few pages it became painfully clear why, but honestly guys how can we let things get that bad? When it doesn't even become about the topic and instead personal bickering.

I feel like instead of bashing each other for "Complaining"/"White Knighting"/"Trolling" we should just enter each thread trying to produce something of value to the respective topic.

We should act mature, polite, and civil like I hope many of you do to other people in real life. Not as many threads would get closed that way with good topics for discussion.

Just wanted to take a moment to say this. Thanks for listening guys :)

*gets off soap box*

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Not that I don't agree with you, but welcome to the internet. To quote Sir Alec Guinness, "...you'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."

Maybe Hiroshi Yamauchi was right about RPG players being nothing but depressed nerds who like to sit in their dark room playing slow games.

There are people out there who like starting fights. For no reason other then there bored. i feel bad for those people

Look at the endless theorycraft threads of XI...
Sigh if only XIV had some of that depth so we'd have some in-game stuff to talk about.
Maybe when food effects arrive there will be some mystery to solve unless they spoil that system by streamlining it to just plain work.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

To me calling the community the worst ever sounds a hell a lot of trolling right there. Have you ever been on an MMO forum before? Besides the usual forum bickering that always takes place, especially after any major patch FFXIV's community is actually one of the best I've experienced among MMO's today. You'd have to go back to the early RoZ days of XI to find a community that could compete in my opinion.

At least on Selbina, maybe the antisocial crowd hangs out on Besaid /shrug

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thank you so much for empathising my point =) i love classic examples!

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Originally Posted by Ventus

I just don't understand how people can go into a FORUM (i.e. a place for creativity, discussion, and community) thinking "if this person doesn't agree with me I will DESTROY THEIR SOUL!"

I'm guilty of this as well, but I feel like slowly I've begun to understand how trifling and stupid it is to make a post based on raw emotion.

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People on the interwebz think they're internet "Tough Guys" and can do whatever the hell they want. As long as folks can hide behind a screen they will troll.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

Thread was trash to begin with. Should have been closed after the OP hit the post button.

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this

the threads mostly getting closed are caused by a few specific people(dubont being one of them) who just like to insult people as their means of debate
and then it spirals out of control from there

then you got the gifthorse/force whatever hes calling his non banned names threads these days who get closed cuz they are bad to begin with