This patch has obliterated the "fairness" of The Hunt. It was never really fair to begin with since you could easily get full ilvl 110 on every piece of gear over the course of like two days if you tried hard enough, however the latest changes have made it impossible. I play on Moogle and The Hunt is pretty popular on there, I've been doing them myself up until today, I attempted to do some hunting but once an A rank is discovered (which is the only one people search for now) literally 200-300 people teleport to that area to kill it...
Latest patch, making The Hunt even more unbearable
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08-20-2014, 02:18 AMAwimbowayLatest patch, making The Hunt even more unbearable
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08-20-2014, 02:19 AMAwimboway
This lags the area massively, plus people like myself and I imagine PS3 users will never get to them in time, it takes me about a minute to load into an area I teleport to when there is an A rank there, and because people have no patience it always gets pulled within about a minute of it being spotted. So I can never get to any of them in time. To put this in perspective, today on the day the patch has been released 20+ A ranks have already been killed, I was in the area for all of them, yet I have only managed to get the reward for two of them. Even if I can get to them before they die with the sheer amount of people around it I never see it as once again the loading priorities are messed up like they used to be with Odin and Behemoth. Honestly this is making the game basically unplayable as far as I am concerned, my whole FC is already sitting on ilvl 105+ thanks to The Hunt and Coil 2, I'm still sitting on ilvl 101 having managed to get one Sand of Time since the release of The Hunt
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08-20-2014, 02:20 AMAwimboway
There NEEDS to be a weekly cap placed on Allied Seals because this is just ridiculous, at least if there were a cap people getting it done early in the week wouldn't bother later in the week leaving it open for all of us with slow PCs, internet connections, etc. At the moment however the game is nearing the point where I may be forced to cancel my subscription as it is unplayable.
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08-20-2014, 07:16 PMServerCollaps
the allied seal cap is called soldiery cap
without soldiery gear you cant upgrade anything and its limited to 450 per week -
08-20-2014, 09:07 PMBenolanIn practical terms yes... but do you really think most ppl realize that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
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08-20-2014, 09:26 PMGerolan
I do agree the changes to the hunt can't even be called a band aid fix . with B rank out of the equation, people are swarming to the As and instant pulling so they get max credit.
Was bad enough before patch with people just pulling as they turn up, now it's a 100 times worse.
A better fix would be that if your not in a party as long as you do enough contribution you should get max credit.
Their are times like queuing for ST etc that you cannot join a party and being able to still get credit outside a party would suffice, but killing an A rank, blowing all cool downs and doing more than most actually there and getting near zero credit is a joke. -
08-21-2014, 06:42 PMEddardworse now
Okay a couple of things. First of all, YES people did in fact hunt bs. Maybe not everybody did, but many did and gave us people in hunting groups something to get while waiting for A s to come back up.
That being said, the REAL problem now is that because you removed Bs completley (I don't care about you stupid weeklys, you know what I am talking about). Now you have made people even more dirty and rotten than they were before. Everyone is like vultures on steroids, racing to the mark. How do you possibly think this is going to end well?
I mean seriously people, if you miss an A you have to wait another 4 hours or so, to MAYBE get another chance. -
08-21-2014, 09:42 PMBristolRuss
I'm on Moogle as well and I seem to do just fine. Can I ask, are you a PC user on a console user? Because I'm both, and my experience changes dramatically depending on which I'm using at the time.
If I'm on the PC I normally have no problem getting to hunts when they are reported. My PC has an SSD on which the game is installed, which I think makes a massive difference. My teleport times are practically no different than normal on the PC. Maybe half a second difference. However, if I'm on PS4 then I experience the incredibly long load times that you suffer from as well. My PS4 still has the regular stock hard drive that it came with. It is harder to get to the hunts on time when using the PS4, especially for an S rank. But it is still possible.
What I would suggest is this:
1) Join as many linkshells as possible. I'm in about 5 hunt ones myself and can invite you to one if you like. It's not a big linkshell as it's my FC's one. But all hunts that I find myself get reported to that linkshell 15 seconds before the rest of mine.
2) If possible install an SSD into your PC/Console. It's not a cheap option I know, but it does make a massive difference.
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08-21-2014, 09:43 PMLuvbunny
They went too far with adjusting the B mark. They should have put at least ONE B mark as daily with 15 seals reward. And put three B's mark for weekly with 50 seals reward for each. This way all the casual can still semi organize a run for B mark, but no longer become a zerg zombies. And you can earn a very decent amount of seals per week, as it is now, the weekly is pitiful but yes way better than before. And for the love of god, either put back myth and soldiery reward to B mark, or take them out completely from Hunt.
And let's face it, if you take out oil and sand from Hunt as reward, 75% of these Zerg Zombies will completely disappear and go back doing their dungeon run. Still not understand how they don't see this, oil and sand should also be available to purchase with your myth currency. -
08-21-2014, 10:01 PMPteroisare you sad that your getting left behind? cuz thats all im really hearing here. i have been hitting Hunts hard (on excalibur no less) and i have only got one log so idk where you get this "easily" claim. Anyways the seals are not the real gold here... its the myth! especially since most are in the atma book phase. I sympathize with the lag issues but you either 1. have to respond faster to shout outs OR actually be hunting yourself or 2. put it down for awhile and focus on something else. THE SYSTEM IS NOT BROKE its the peopling hunting that breaks the system. no more changes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Awimboway
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08-21-2014, 10:08 PMHEC-SSDs are not expensive for long time now - I have one in PS3, PS4 as well as PC (laptop) and play FF XIV on all of them and have almost instant loading on all zones and instances. I was more or less ignoring hunts since the release unless I've literalry tripped over some mark on my way somewhere else so I've got in total about 210 seals. So imagine the "horror" in my mind reading the patch notes on Tusday to find out not only that we need Allied seals for new chocobo colour food (whoch was the main paoint I was looking forwar to) but also about nerfing of B Ranks :( Now I struggle to get enough Seals from measly daily / weekly marks and since patch I managed to get only twice to A rank, once receiving only 4 seals and once full credit thanks to some nice guys / gals inviting me to the party. So I do feel for / agree with OP on hunts being ZERG-en on Moogle and become even more unaccessible to solo / non-hunt-LE-ed players :(Quote:
Originally Posted by BristolRuss
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08-22-2014, 11:05 AMNicoboMaybe you can consider a server transfer, I don't find 200-300 people even there is a S rank. ^^;Quote:
Originally Posted by Awimboway
But don't consider my server as you will find almost no PF contents up...^^; -
08-22-2014, 12:27 PMSessurea
The best way to hunt.....is to hunt......I krai too when I miss that A or S, but at the end of the day, I didn't find it so w/e. What we need is pvp to make some sense of this hunt system.
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08-23-2014, 12:13 AMEricCartmenez
Personally, I don't think they messed up the hunt at all. Most hunt groups would ask someone who found a B rank to "Wait until we get done with all these A's. No, we can't invite you to our party, but you're a douche bag if you kill the B mark." I think the improvement would be to move the B's into the daily and make the weekly a hunt where you sit and wait for a fate to pop. Why should I get more for something that spawns every 5 seconds than for something I could wait for an hour or more to pop? Just seems kind of backwards.
As far as hunting goes, when you hunt, you hunt. You're in a party, you follow your group, you hunt the target, you move to the next. I am on Siren, and I have yet to worry about meeting my caps. There are many times by the end of the weekend where the only thing I can earn are allied seals. I'm maxed out on Tomes of Soldiery and I'm constantly buying junk with Myth Tomes so I don't feel like I'm completely wasting my time.
So I guess the question anyone here could pose is, how are people getting all level 110 gear in a week or two through hunts? They can't. Yes, they can get drops in extreme trials, but through hunts? Let's do the simple math. A piece of level 100 gear is between 375 and 825 Tomes of Soldiery (TOS). You have a weekly cap of 450. This means that you can buy one small item (ring, choker, circlet) per week or save for two weeks for one larger item (chest, pants). It takes 750 allied seals to upgrade one of the larger items, which at an A rank each (20 TOS) is 37.5 hunts. This is 15 hunts where you don't earn any more TOS via hunts. That's not to include any TOS one earns via trials, etc. -
08-23-2014, 02:50 AMChameleonMSYour thinking of it from the perspective of a character that does not already have i100 items purchased (like me). These players, got i100 on everything the usual way, buying with Solidarity, 1 piece a week but have been stuck at i100 trying to Sands and Oils from Coil. Now hunts allow them get these items really, really fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricCartmenez
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08-23-2014, 03:00 AMsamnasAs Yoshi has said the hunt was intended tohave small hunting groups scouring the world "hunting" for mobs. Players reacted dufferently than they anticipated where very little hunting takes place and it just massive zerf fests killing "elite" mobs in a matter of seconds. So blame SE or blame the players......in either case HUNTING is most definetely broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pterois
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08-23-2014, 05:04 AMEricCartmenezYou're still not able to buy more than one item a week unless you save for multiple weeks. Myth Tomes = iLVL 90 gear, Allied Seals (direct) = iLVL 90 gear. The math remains the same. 825 TOS = 2 weeks of spamming hunts, trials, etc, because of the cap of 450/week. At the end of a week, I can buy 2 items at 375 or 425, but I can't become iLVL 110 down both sides. I need head, chest, waist, pants, and feet on the left (5 items) and choker, earrings, wristlet, left ring, right ring on the other side (5 items) for a total of 10 items. While the less expensive items can be obtained in a single week of spamming hunts, it's still just under 2 weeks work for the larger items. The 4000 seal cap seems high, but when it takes 750 to increase a larger item (e.g. chest) that leaves only 2500 for the remaining items. To get enough A level hunts to fill 4000 seals, you need 200 hunts (20 x 200). Which is why the whining and bickering goes on when someone misses one. That's a lot of hunting, even for those who do it a lot. I'm not saying it takes skill, but it's certainly a grind.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChameleonMS
I'm not really sure why you would say that the new way is different other than it's quicker and easier to meet your cap. I use to have to spam duty roulette for myth tomes, now they are more easy to obtain than seals (I'm not a crafter).
My problem is this: if they want people to go into Syrcus or Labyrinth, they did it all wrong. Why go through the 1/2 hour to 45 minute grind for a few TOS when one can just spam hunts? Better yet, why run dungeons or trials at all? In a few short weeks, I can be iLVL 110 if I do hunts regularly.
There's one thing you can't buy, regardless of the number of TOS or TOM... Weapons. Those drops are only in the trials at level 100 or higher. Hunts don't drop weapons. Now, they're still stuck having to get through the same thing as us: Extreme trials, atma/animus/novus, Coil, ST. We all have the same opportunity to either do or not do hunts. We can all take advantage of it or complain. No one needs to stay behind. I max out every week, and I'm pretty casual. I drop into a hunt party 2 or 3 times a week, pop until I'm out of TOS opportunities or I don't need any more sands or oils. Then I'm off to do things like the hunts don't exist.
And people take advantage of a lot of things. Let's spirit bond crafting gear by killing Shahigans in the breeding grounds or drop into Syrcus Tower and tank wearing an apron. Come on. Join our free company and we'll power level you through crafting and gathering by giving you all the HQ turn-ins for Leves and the Grand Company. Where there's a way to cheat the system, people will take advantage of it.
[edit] I apologize if I misunderstood. I thought you were saying you could buy all your 110 gear with something from the hunts other than TOS and sands/oils. -
08-23-2014, 08:15 AMrevonineIt doesn't seem like it. I stopped hunting for the moment as I can't afford my next Soldiery piece until 2 weeks from now. I only hunt when I have a piece imminent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benolan
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08-23-2014, 03:00 PMAulorielYou can buy logs with 250 seals, which used to be really easy to get. Last weekend I farmed somewhere around 2300 seals in just a couple days. I got 3 logs from the hunts themselves, and could have purchased 8 more logs with the seals. That's enough to get all of your weathered accessories + 1 piece of armor to i110.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pterois
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09-05-2014, 12:31 PMKillabye
i dont like hunting but on levi we had freakin elite, the main hunt ls. the rules were leave when done, role call, spoken pull time, no buffs. i moved to exodus and we do alright but nothing like FE, levi you get on and its an A every 10-15 min
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09-08-2014, 11:18 PMBenolanI have used it to cap soldiery before if I needed to, but I have found the hunts main help to be with the Novus relic... Getting the myth for maps and seals for alexandrite speeds up the process. Once i am done with Novus I don't see myself hunting much at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by revonine
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09-17-2014, 03:15 PMblowfin
If it's not worthwhile simply don't do hunts, it's not as if you need gear beyond i100 in this game at the moment anyway. Even if you're doing coil, i100 is plenty to start with, and you're going to be getting oils and sands from it and ST anyway.
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09-21-2014, 01:47 AMHolzmeisterExactly! I mean if they offer a PS3-version, they should make it so that people actually have the chance to beat up those A/S ranks. <<Quote:
Originally Posted by Awimboway
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09-22-2014, 02:34 AMNiurok
So killing B's speeds up the time for A's to spawn and killing A's speeds up the time for S's to spawn? Soloing and grouping should give same amount of seals anyways its stupid to force ppl to group just to get more. Like me I don't group because when I tank its gets pulled off me in a matter of secs...
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09-27-2014, 11:20 PMRoxinovaB's don't affect A's spawn timer. B's are always up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niurok
You can get max seals soloing if you know how to when other parties are killing it already (tank = aggro, healer = stone 2, med 2, benediction, cure 3, DPS = highest damaging abilities).