So buffing the reward, and nerfing the marks is the answer to fixing the Hunts?

Good job SE..

...continue to negate any reason for doing group content....

I wonder if I'll have to pay a sub for Final Fantasy 15 for that single-player experience.

What a dumb comment about 15, we all know it's never coming out.

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Originally Posted by Raze_Krauser

Good job SE..

...continue to negate any reason for doing group content....

I wonder if I'll have to pay a sub for Final Fantasy 15 for that single-player experience.

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In b4 "hunts are group content".

Given that the spawn timer between A, and S ranks are pretty lengthy..if you're spending time waiting around for all of them, you've got another problem.

I thought that the devs mentioned in the most recent live letter that they were for sure adjusting the daily bills but were hesitant on adjusting A and S rank hunts? How is it any surprise that they did exactly what they said they were going to do?

I feel like SE has freed people from hunt for 8 hours a day. Teleporting half across the world just to a B rank that gets zerged down in 5 seconds.

Now you can fill your time with other things in between hunting for A's, AND the casual people (like myself) can actually earn a moderate amount weekly without competing for said A's nearly as much.

Seems like a win/win to me.

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Originally Posted by Raze_Krauser

Good job SE..

...continue to negate any reason for doing group content....

I wonder if I'll have to pay a sub for Final Fantasy 15 for that single-player experience.

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It's a bit of a stretch to call B ranks "group content", even talking pre-patch. The only thing the patch did was bring B's closer to what they were intended to be from the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

I feel like SE has freed people from hunt for 8 hours a day. Teleporting half across the world just to a B rank that gets zerged down in 5 seconds.

Now you can fill your time with other things in between hunting for A's, AND the casual people (like myself) can actually earn a moderate amount weekly without competing for said A's nearly as much.

Seems like a win/win to me.

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me too, and i'm someone who hunts A's all the time.

i'd rather not look for B's, i wouldn't even go to them but the rest of my party already went, feels bad not to help them get full credit so i end up going most of the time. now i won't have to.

Fact is they've nerfed ALL of the hunt event by making the change to B. B's used to be at least half of the seals you'd get in a hunt session (not to mention myth for those working Alex for their relic). Of course, dropping to half will be fine with all of those who hated hunts to begin with and never realized that they were the ultimate in casual friendly content.

With the change to B, they should have dropped the respawn timers somewhat for A and S (maybe not half but a good amount) to rebalance.

Daily mark changes are also painful. Do you REALLY like waiting 2 hours for a FATE to spawn to get your seals? That change would have been tolerable if they reduced the respawn timer for those FATES.

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

Do you REALLY like waiting 2 hours for a FATE to spawn to get your seals? That change would have been tolerable if they reduced the respawn timer for those FATES.

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patch notes mentioned them fixing an issue where fates took forever to spawn. maybe they fixed it?

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

Fact is they've nerfed ALL of the hunt event by making the change to B. B's used to be at least half of the seals you'd get in a hunt session (not to mention myth for those working Alex for their relic).

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ha, i actually laughed at that. i dont do B ranks, and with 20-30 minute total hunting, with crafting between the As, i made enough seal to buy a log, for 250, not to mention i got half the soldiery cap, then got kicked off for maintenance. there are a lot of people that dont even bother with B ranks. in a few hours of hunts, i was able to cap on myth, soldiery, and have almost 1k seals, that was just hunting As on my first day

Why are people mad? They did an favor to the game. Less seals are being zerged and grinded to one player. Now they can be more even balance on how they are distributed. Thats amazing! Less people are exploiting the system and not letting anyone else have a bite.

All this qq over Bs is probably the same people who went and reset hunts so their whole ls could get credit and n

*and not the person who actually found it.

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

Fact is they've nerfed ALL of the hunt event by making the change to B. B's used to be at least half of the seals you'd get in a hunt session (not to mention myth for those working Alex for their relic).

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people getting out of Hunts and doing roulettes for myths is not a bad thing.

from my own Achievement records, Bs account for between 20%-25% of my seals, nowhere near half.

Hardcore groups mainly aim for A and S targets. They can still do it and get the same rewards. Hardcore people happy !
Casuals players aim for...any crumb the hardcore players let them have. Now, they can have a steady amount of seals each week. Casual people happy !

I can't see a problem here.

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Originally Posted by RiverTams

Why are people mad? They did an favor to the game. Less seals are being zerged and grinded to one player. Now they can be more even balance on how they are distributed. Thats amazing! Less people are exploiting the system and not letting anyone else have a bite.

All this qq over Bs is probably the same people who went and reset hunts so their whole ls could get credit and n

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Just wondering about your logic here.

First, guess what's going to happen with A marks? (on a worse scale they've ever been zerged since there's going to be no-one that competitively hunts with a B when an A is called in their linkshell.)

Second, How are people buckling down to a (broken) system and working for their rewards rather than whining about it "exploiting the system" in your mind? I'd love to know.

Have you even logged on the game to see the positive impact this has actually had?

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Originally Posted by RiverTams

Have you even logged on the game to see the positive impact this has actually had?

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Yep, and I've spent most of the day reading (actually legitimately worth arguing about, now!) shouts from people annoyed As are still pulled before people can get there. I've also been twiddling my thumbs / leaving disbanded hunting parties because the As are down and it's 90mins+ until we can gain marks again. Mega positive. Far better than the way it used to be. Fantastic, even!

Have you?

Oh i am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but theres content outside of hunts.
Or maybe you've been so submerged in this content you missed the part how it affected the rest of the game?

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Yep, and I've spent most of the day reading (actually legitimately worth arguing about, now!) shouts from people annoyed As are still pulled before people can get there.
I've also been twiddling my thumbs / leaving disbanded hunting parties because the As are down and it's 90mins+ until we can gain marks again. Mega positive. Far better than the way it used to be. Fantastic, even!

Have you?

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all 3 of my hunt LSs are still active. right now its about 30 minute downtime. is there something wrong with having to wait a couple hours and being able to do something in between hunts?

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Originally Posted by RiverTams

Oh i am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but theres content outside of hunts.
Or maybe you've been so submerged in this content you missed the part how it affected the rest of the game?

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I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but despite these new, amazing changes you love so much and cannot imagine possibly being a bad thing it'll still take you around a month on 32marks/day to get your vanity gear. And if you actually do parties, you'll see with increased competition with A marks just how much better post 2.35 was.

(Truth: I legit believe dailies needed to be buffed, the reward was pathetic. Just not at the expense of A and B marks. idek why you're so mad at people that gain their marks via grouping up with strangers, using linkshells, communicating and partying up but whatevs.)

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The only people affected by this patch are the ones who spent their playtime grinding them.

Heres some news: that was the point of this patch. To stop the craziness! Go run some dungeons. Go raid. Go craft. Or if youre that pissed /logoff.

This gives space to other people to finally also go and have some hunting done instead of following the kill train and hoping to get a drop because hunts were near privatized by linkshells.


Theres my "logic" which you wont understand because you were too busy grinding hunts to realize how dead the rest of the game was becoming.

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

all 3 of my hunt LSs are still active. right now its about 30 minute downtime. is there something wrong with having to wait a couple hours and being able to do something in between hunts?

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I'll probably be over it in a few days, it's just annoyed me a little because some players can't see that yes, the dailies are a positive change (Great!) but the elites have undergone a negative change (Boo.) and are pretty much calling the hunting system as a general thing massively improved when it isn't.

I am not mad at your zergrind fest. But it was also killing the game and making all other content pointless.

Oh i have to wait to get vanity gear which im not interested in to begin with? Fine. Unlike some players i dont like to down content in a day.

I actually enjoy playing ffxiv instead of grinding the same content for 4 hours to get some shinnies.

Boohoo. QQ more. The change is here and itll benefit more people. Probably not you. But no one cares.

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Originally Posted by faris

I've also been twiddling my thumbs / leaving disbanded hunting parties because the As are down and it's 90mins+ until we can gain marks again.

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it's a positive change when this is exactly the reaction they want from people.

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Originally Posted by faris

I'll probably be over it in a few days, it's just annoyed me a little because some players can't see that yes, the dailies are a positive change (Great!) but the elites have undergone a negative change (Boo.) and are pretty much calling the hunting system as a general thing massively improved when it isn't.

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honestly, i think it has improved. a lot of people in those LSs quit doing almost everything but hunts, all 3 ranks. now that there are no rewards for Bs, theyve started doing their roulettes again. in general, does the change suck, yes, i dont disagree with that, but the way it was setup was taking away so much from everything else in the game. now, with nobody realy competing for B ranks anymore, other parts are starting to get some activity. i saw 5 different PF groups not too long ago, the most ive seen since before was maybe 1, and that for titan ex or T5.

They made getting i90 gear more easy and blockked i110 upgrade. I don't understand what's good in it. There is no problems to get 300 myth/day doing roulettes and soldiery. Now players can buy 1 i90 item/day. This means that i90 is not a gear now.
They already placed soldiery block which doesn't allow to obtain upgradeable i100 faster then for 15 weeks. This is one more slowdown for equip. Thanks. If they wish to continue in the same manner i will cancel subscription

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Originally Posted by Alx789

They made getting i90 gear more easy and blockked i110 upgrade. I don't understand what's good in it. There is no problems to get 300 myth/day doing roulettes and soldiery. Now players can buy 1 i90 item/day. This means that i90 is not a gear now.
They already placed soldiery block which doesn't allow to obtain upgradeable i100 faster then for 15 weeks. This is one more slowdown for equip. Thanks. If they wish to continue in the same manner i will cancel subscription

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did they change the amount of soldiery it takes to get a 110 piece of gear?

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Originally Posted by RiverTams

The only people affected by this patch are the ones who spent their playtime grinding them.

Heres some news: that was the point of this patch. To stop the craziness! Go run some dungeons. Go raid. Go craft. Or if youre that pissed /logoff.
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No, it did the _exact opposite_. Anyone who was grinding them won, they already got all their seals.
Those of us who _were_ doing dungeons and stuff now have a hugely nerfed seal rate when we do do hunts. Before, I could hunt for a couple hours and make a nice amount of myth/sold/seals, now I can get 50 from my weekly and then sit around waiting for As. Dailys are only useful if you play every single day, otherwise a few hours the old way was more seals than you can get from a couple days a week worth of dailies.

So now I have to spend more time getting seals and less time free for dungeons and ST and so on.

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

did they change the amount of soldiery it takes to get a 110 piece of gear?

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No. Nesessary amount of soldiery can be got at 15 weeks due to 450 weekly limit.
Sands and oil. Total cost is 7500 seals. Or 80 hours of hunt before patch and i don't know how much now. Alternative ways - random drops in coils and tower. I don't know how many raids needed when all 8 players wants this.

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total soldiery needed to buy i100 gear that can be upgraded
2*825 + 4*495 + 5* 375 = 5505 or 12.3 weeks
Weapon - 1 unidentified tomestone + 1300 soldiery or 3 weeks
Upgrade -
7 sands of time (3 mark logs each) = 21 mark log = 5250 allied seals
5 oil of time (2 mark logs each) = 10 mark logs = 2500 allied seals
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Now we have 32 seals from daily quest - 10+10+3*4 or 224+50=274 seals/week from bills
I90 complect costs 2*40+4*30+5*20=300 seals - a little more than 1 week in job quest gear

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Originally Posted by Raze_Krauser

Good job SE..

...continue to negate any reason for doing group content....

I wonder if I'll have to pay a sub for Final Fantasy 15 for that single-player experience.

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to go with that whine

https://40.media.tumblr.com/0facb1df...dmumo1_500.jpg

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Originally Posted by Alx789

No. Nesessary amount of soldiery can be got at 15 weeks due to 450 weekly limit.
Sands and oil. Total cost is 7500 seals. Or 80 hours of hunt before patch and i don't know how much now. Alternative ways - random drops in coils and tower. I don't know how many raids needed when all 8 players wants this.

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total soldiery needed to buy i100 gear that can be upgraded
2*825 + 4*495 + 5* 375 = 5505 or 12.3 weeks
Weapon - 1 unidentified tomestone + 1300 soldiery or 3 weeks
Upgrade -
7 sands of time (3 mark logs each) = 21 mark log = 5250 allied seals
5 oil of time (2 mark logs each) = 10 mark logs = 2500 allied seals

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the only limiting factor is still soldiery. you could get the full set as fast as the soldiery cap allowed it. you could get the sands/oils relatively fast, if you wanted to. i still have an extra UAT. i got the seal required for the mark logs in one day of A rank hunts.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

Given that the spawn timer between A, and S ranks are pretty lengthy..if you're spending time waiting around for all of them, you've got another problem.

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Given that most people, on my server at least, don't even bother with B ranks in the 1st place. This statement is totally false. Got 250ish (think it was 263 or some fked up number) soldiery in ~2 hours (the time between getting home and having raids) just last reset so that I could get my new robe b4 raid time.

Let us not pretend Bs were in any way the reason hunts make all other content invalid. B's were the only ones that were properly tuned in the 1st place.

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Given that most people, on my server at least, don't even bother with B ranks in the 1st place.

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While I'm willing to believe that is true, I got like half my seals from B's. Only ever killed like 3 S's, and the split between B/A was about 50/50 for seals, so its a pretty huge nerf IMO.

Now i see that all a-marks are cleaned in 2 hours then 2 hours pause. It is not good for hunt - process should be continuuos

2monochromicorn - you forget about time. I am unable to play 48 hours/day

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Originally Posted by Alx789

Now i see that all a-marks are cleaned in 2 hours then 2 hours pause. It is not good for hunt - process should be continuuos

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why is it not good, why does it have to be continuous?

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

why is it not good, why does it have to be continuous?

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It (not continuous hunts) is another thing that favors those with excessive playtime. If you only have a couple hours to play, you can't spend that time hunting B's anymore, and if no A's up... then you're just getting dailies (and prob not all that with the fates and crap). Thats much much slower than before.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

why is it not good, why does it have to be continuous?

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Do you play 4hours/day or more? What to do if less? I think that player should have a possibility to start hunting at any time.

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Originally Posted by Alx789

Now i see that all a-marks are cleaned in 2 hours then 2 hours pause. It is not good for hunt - process should be continuuos

2monochromicorn - you forget about time. I am unable to play 48 hours/day

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i do not play all the time. i get maybe 3 hours at a time, except weekends. and it is great for the hunt. its so damaging that you actually have to do something between A rank spawns, im so sorry.i didnt bother with B ranks. between those spawns, i did dungeons, crafted gathered, or leveled my other classes. you are part of the reason that they changed it. you probably did nothing but hunt, which took away from all other apspects of the game. now that you constant hunt is taken away from you, you have no clue what to do with all that time.