All PvP Changes Patch 2.35

Class Changes

Lancer/Dragoon, Pugilist/Monk:
Fetter Ward

• Recast time has been reduced from 150 to 120 seconds.
• Enhanced Fetter Ward recast time reduction enhancement has been changed from 120 to 90 seconds.

Gladiator/Paladin:
Glory Slash

• 10y knockback effect has been added.

Pugilist/Monk:
Axe Kick

• Potency has been increased from 160 to 170.
• Enhanced Axe Kick II potency increase has been changed from 190 to 200.

Somersault

• Potency has been increased from 160 to 180.
• Spell speed reduction additional effect duration has been increased from 10 to 12 seconds.
• Somersault now grants the effect of Perfect Balance for 3 seconds.
• Enhanced Somersault II now also extends the duration of Perfect Balance to 6 seconds.

Lancer/Dragoon:
Impulse Rush

• Potency has been increased from 200 to 240.

Skewer

• Potency has been increased from 180 to 220.

Archer/Bard:
Blast Shot

• Range has been reduced from 25y to 5y.

Thaumaturge/Black Mage:
Lethargy

• Effect duration has been reduced from 12 to 6 seconds (PvP only).

Freeze

• Additional effect duration has been reduced from 15 to 12 seconds (PvP only).

Summoner/Scholar:
Aetherflow

• Skills such as One Ilm Punch or Glory Slash can now remove any remaining stacks of Aetherflow on a selected target.

Frontlines

• To better ensure the outcome of a match is determined after the halfway point, the spawning time of interceptor nodes has been adjusted.
• The HP of interceptor drones and interceptor nodes has been increased.
• Players can now use vote dismiss when incapacitated.
• The effects of glamour prisms will now be applied to gear when used in the Wolves Den or Frontline.

Wolves' Den

• The effects of glamour prisms will now be applied to gear when used in the Wolves Den or Frontline.

Additional Stuff

• The following have been added to the list of items requested for expert delivery missions: PvP gear exchanged for Wolf Marks (item level 70 and 90)

Resolved Issues

• An issue in Carteneau Flats: Borderland Ruins wherein players could attack targets without retaliation at the Heliodrome.
• An issue wherein the PvP action Axe Kick did not grant the effect of Greased Lightning III.

Kinda wish they patched in an option for PVP specific hot bars but other then that I'm relatively happy with the changes.

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Somersault now grants the effect of Perfect Balance for 3 seconds.

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And the monks throughout the land rejoiced

Beware the almighty monks.

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Originally Posted by Favs90J

Kinda wish they patched in an option for PVP specific hot bars but other then that I'm relatively happy with the changes.

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You can macro that.... at least with crosshotbars which is what I use, so I never had a reason to work out a hotbar version. Assuming it's the same principle, since the layout for a Class (LNC) is independent of Job (DRG) and you probably don't run as a Lancer anymore, if u wanted a PVE and PVP version of bars 1 and 2 for DRG, you could copy the PVE bars from DRG 1 to LNC 1 and DRG 2 to LNC 2, then set up DRG 1 and DRG 2 for PVP and copy to LNC 3 and LNC 4. Then a PVP macro would copy LNC 3 & 4 to DRG 1 & 2, and a PVE macro to restore them could copy LNC 1 & 2 to DRG 1 & 2. Even if you have a bar (say bar 4 as being shared between classes) and you can't SEE what you've copied to LNC 4 it's still there. And you don't need to have separate macros for every job, my PVP and PVE one copies ACN slots to SCH and SMN (even though skills aren't necessarily valid for the class) and ARC to BRD. I can even use it while on BLM and it moves my bars for me behind the scenes.

My PVP -> PVP macro looks like this:

/crosshotbar copy ACN 1 SCH 1
/crosshotbar copy ACN 2 SCH 2
/crosshotbar copy ACN 5 SMN 1
/crosshotbar copy ACN 6 SMN 2
/crosshotbar copy ARC 1 BRD 1
/crosshotbar copy ARC 2 BRD 2

And my PVE -> PVP does the same, but with different slot numbers to copy from on ACN/BRD. When I want to update a crossbar I just type the command to copy my updated crossbar back to whichever Class it should override from the job. Might seem complicated but that's me doing 3 separate PVP loadouts involving 3 Jobs and 2 Classes with a single macro to swap each direction, and doing this with just one Job/Class to start with wouldn't take much trial and error.

The difference though is if using hotbars vs crosshotbars the macro would be a tad different, seems like /hotbar copy would be avlb if /crosshotbar copy is, a macro guide should answer that.

Archer/Bard:
Blast Shot
Range has been reduced from 25y to 5y.

Shit :(

Seriously? What the hell are they even thinking. "Big balance patch" and all they did was buff the melees like the dragoons don't hit like a truck already. This is just a very lazy work.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

Lots of stuff

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I did some searching a few pages back and found an answer in this thread http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-and-gearsets

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Quote Originally Posted by Hiroshi_Minagawa View Post
Jumping right to the conclusion, it’s extremely difficult to save hotbar information for individual gear sets in the current system. The reason is that the saved data size would exceed the data cap.

Both gear set information and hotbar information is saved locally on hard drives for PC and PS3/4. When saving information locally, it’s possible to save a larger amount of information than when saving on the server, but for the PS3/4 there are limitations on the size of saved files due to the file backup service and other related aspects.
(The size is very small.)

Due to this, it’s very difficult to increase the amount of data that is saved as we have reserved space ahead of time to account for the additions of things like classes and jobs in the future.

Currently, for each class (and job) the cross hotbar has 128 slots (16x8) and the hotbar has 120 slots (12x10) for a total of 248. This means that between 19 classes and 9 jobs there is a total of roughly 7,000 actions that are saved.

System-wise for gear sets we’ve reserved space for a maximum of 50, but if we were to make it possible to tie hotbars to each of these it would push the local saved data past the cap.

In order to increase the number of saved sets, we would have to eliminate other saved data of the same size.

As a more realistic approach, we could address this with macros, but as players have mentioned there are some pretty high hurdles to overcome when it comes to macros.

One method I’m thinking of is an expansion of the hotbar settings for the character configuration, which would look something like the following.


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Set Selection
[□] Enable auto hotbar switching when drawing/sheathing weapon.
[□] Enable customization for when weapon is sheathed.
　[□] Hotbar 1　　[□] Hotbar 5
　[□] Hotbar 2　　[□] Hotbar 6　　
　[□] Hotbar 3　　[□] Hotbar 7
　[□] Hotbar 4　　[□] Hotbar 8
[■] Enable customization for when weapon is drawn.
　[■] Hotbar 1　　[□] Hotbar 5
　[■] Hotbar 2　　[□] Hotbar 6　　
　[□] Hotbar 3　　[□] Hotbar 7
　[□] Hotbar 4　　[□] Hotbar 8
[■] PvP: Enable customization for when weapon is drawn　←Add this one.
　[□] Hotbar 1　　[■] Hotbar 5
　[□] Hotbar 2　　[■] Hotbar 6　　
　[□] Hotbar 3　　[□] Hotbar 7
　[□] Hotbar 4　　[□] Hotbar 8
* Please note that this is just an idea and has not been confirmed for implementation!
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With the above settings, you’d be able to swap between set 1 and set 2 by pressing the R1 button while in PvE areas, and then swap between set 5 and set 6 with the R1 button when you are in a PvP area.

*As there is only one type of expanded cross hotbar (simultaneously pressing L2 and R2), if we wanted to change the expanded cross hotbar for PvP areas, we would have to add a PvP display set settings for the “Hold” control option as well.

Originally we were somewhat hesitant to address additions such as this because it would make everything quite complex; however, seeing as how there is an increase in the amount of players participating in PvP with the recent patch, we would like to revisit the above for added configuration settings.

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and sorry for getting abit off topic op

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Originally Posted by Clessx

Seriously? What the hell are they even thinking. "Big balance patch" and all they did was buff the melees like the dragoons don't hit like a truck already. This is just a very lazy work.

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did they ever say it was a "big" balance patch?

The blast shot nerf is a little odd, i don't really understand why they nerfed the range at all, let alone by 80%

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Originally Posted by CeveArthu

did they ever say it was a "big" balance patch?

The blast shot nerf is a little odd, i don't really understand why they nerfed the range at all, let alone by 80%

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Yoshi-P stated it was a "big balance" patch in one of the live letters. The blast shot "nerf" is either to prevent it to push people off the cliff in frontlines or to prevent it from pushing the focused target away from the tank/melee.

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Originally Posted by Clessx

Yoshi-P stated it was a "big balance" patch in one of the live letters. The blast shot "nerf" is either to prevent it to push people off the cliff in frontlines or to prevent it from pushing the focused target away from the tank/melee.

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I have nothing wrong with being knocked off a cliff and often laugh when it occurs but I think this "nerf" is simply intended as a way to help keep your targets within the ideal distance to help maximise your dps and I'm sure if your clever about it you can kite someone with tunnel vision over to a cliff and then BOOM off they go and I have not once played BRD in frontlines so I could be completely wrong about any of what I just said.

The mnk buff though! Now it's gonna take me even faster to solo a healer

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Originally Posted by Clessx

The blast shot "nerf" is either to prevent it to push people off the cliff in frontlines or to prevent it from pushing the focused target away from the tank/melee.

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I'd guess the former. I think they intended it to allow Bards to get targets into their sweetspot, but it was getting used more as an instant kill rather than a position control.

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Originally Posted by Favs90J

I have nothing wrong with being knocked off a cliff and often laugh when it occurs but I think this "nerf" is simply intended as a way to help keep your targets within the ideal distance to help maximise your dps and I'm sure if your clever about it you can kite someone with tunnel vision over to a cliff and then BOOM off they go and I have not once played BRD in frontlines so I could be completely wrong about any of what I just said.

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I agree, I think that is what was intended. Oh and several times I've had WHMs Fluid Aura me off the ramp. Considering that all other knockback abilities (Glory Slash, Mythril Tempest, Fluid Aura, Aura Blast) are "melee" range this nerf may have occurred due to Yoshi P. encountering a BRD or BRDs sniping people off the ramp before he could get very close to them.

I just don't see the need for the nerf, why would you make a ranged character need to be in melee distance, i would have thought it would be a smaller range knock back before they nerfed the cast range

It's not like bards have a very wide selection of pvp skills as it is

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Originally Posted by Clessx

Yoshi-P stated it was a "big balance" patch in one of the live letters. The blast shot "nerf" is either to prevent it to push people off the cliff in frontlines or to prevent it from pushing the focused target away from the tank/melee.

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Which really doesnt make any sense whatsover because WHM can still do that. Besides while at it they could remove the potency of said skill because at 5y range its never going to reach its full cause thats how brd works in pvp lol.
Fail to see any logic with that nerf and tbh pushing people off the cliff is FUN :D

PVP was always about adapting and in this case taking advantage of enviroment in a fun manor nothing wrong with that. Its like removing obstacles so you cant LOS to break casting or prevent ranged from hitting you. Not to mention its another interrupt granted not reliable due to slow animation but at least it was there as an option.

Now it turns into this situational knocback that can be negated so easily. Kinda reminds of TBC hunter and the whole deadzone thing its not that bad however with that many slows/stuns/gapclosers sprint theres just many ways to get in close and take a piss @ brd trying to do damage at almost pointblank range.

Blast shot was designed as a get off move to create distance between you and a target that got too close. So being able to use it at 25y didnt make sense.

Oh man - those monk changes...this is gonna be fun :) cant wait to get back on.

Playing with Blast shot for such a long time made it be used as more toward blowing people off cliffs instead of for creating distance between the bard and his melee attacker who focuses on him. It's a nice change for monks though, you rarely see any of them in FL very much on the data center I am playing on. Bard still have the advantage of interrupting every cast so it shouldn't affect them too much.

Nerfing Aetherflow..... Seriously? There is no reason that needs to be debuffed. Both jobs rely too heavily on it to be able to be dispelled. Stupid move on their part.

Also wth is up with this crazy melee buff? So, its not bad enough that BLM and SMN become punching bags the moment were targeted by a melee with equanimity down, but now they get to kill us even faster? Yay!

Get rid of the directional casting BS and make Equanimity a 1min recast prz. Even with Equanimity up, all any smart melee has to do is continuously circle us and we won't be able to get a single spell off. No idea why BRD is made to interrupt mages casting though, what kind idiotic idea was that? "Hey guys, let's have one ranged completely disable the others just by auto attacking!" It's dumb. Guess I'll just be gettting rid of MNKs first now while everyone focuses healer lol

I'm glad about glamours though :)

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Originally Posted by Koltik

Oh man - those monk changes...this is gonna be fun :) cant wait to get back on.

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Take your time getting back on plx ^_^ HI!!! KOLTIK! :)

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Originally Posted by Rydia13

Also wth is up with this crazy melee buff?

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Crazy melee buff lol? MNK yeah maybe but the 40 potency more arent going to change anything for DRGs.

No changes on Warrior.. lets keep on jamming! ;D

Blast shot -20y range and -90/-108 potency T_T

Aw :( blast shot was my favorite.

sounds like its a good time to renew that wow sub

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Originally Posted by Rydia13

Also wth is up with this crazy melee buff? So, its not bad enough that BLM and SMN become punching bags the moment were targeted by a melee with equanimity down, but now they get to kill us even faster? Yay!

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Your bias is way too damn obvious here.

BLMs (and SMNs to a lesser extent) are capable of doing, by FAR, the highest level of sustained damage output in PvP when they aren't being focused. Not being able to cast while being attacked is the trade-off for that kind of massive advantage.

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Originally Posted by Zyrusticae

Your bias is way too damn obvious here.

BLMs (and SMNs to a lesser extent) are capable of doing, by FAR, the highest level of sustained damage output in PvP when they aren't being focused. Not being able to cast while being attacked is the trade-off for that kind of massive advantage.

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Meh you're right. The initial shock after they "nerfed" SMN/SCH aethyrflow while melee got buffed kind of got to me lol I never do see melee do good dps in PvP ever. Mostly I see is usually SMN(followed by BLM, then BRD in 3rd)doing top damage, but that's because of Bane and having DoTs on multiple people. It's a good way to give the healers too much to handle so need to choose where their next heal is going. I still believe that they shouldn't have don't that to SMN/SCH though, Aethyrflow is way to essential for the job for it to just be removed by an ability.

Hurray for glamour!!!

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Originally Posted by Geobryn

Blast shot -20y range and -90/-108 potency T_T

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I dont know about you, but I pesonally do abuse its mechanic as Bard. Steal Malestorm/Immortal Flame outpost then go to top at 28:00. Ambush with shadowbind then blast shot to knock off 2 targets at least with Blast Shot.

Oh well, it was fun.

They nerfed SCH (and up to me, a lot, they will always be the 1st target now...), but you can still stack any amount of Rigene.
In my opinion this is not a balance.

I balance woulded be a MIND nerf proportional to the healers in party.
And it should also work with other classes, like the actual party composition buff work, but in a opposite way.

Or anyway something about this, not a buff and debuff to someone.

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The effects of glamour prisms will now be applied to gear when used in the Wolves Den or Frontline.

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Originally Posted by Akie

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Is this a sad crying face or happy crying face?

I think that was the most overlooked change, I look forward to many Roedagyn players in the reindeer outfit chasing enemies with an axe.

very shortsighted changes, likely made in response to complaints from new players

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Pugilist/Monk:
Axe Kick

• Potency has been increased from 160 to 170.
• Enhanced Axe Kick II potency increase has been changed from 190 to 200.

Somersault

• Potency has been increased from 160 to 180.
• Spell speed reduction additional effect duration has been increased from 10 to 12 seconds.
• Somersault now grants the effect of Perfect Balance for 3 seconds.
• Enhanced Somersault II now also extends the duration of Perfect Balance to 6 seconds.

Lancer/Dragoon:
Impulse Rush

• Potency has been increased from 200 to 240.

Skewer

• Potency has been increased from 180 to 220.

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if melee are underperforming in pvp it's because of positional requirements which can easily be broken by facetarget spam. boosting the potency of off-gcd attacks only serves to further make arena a game of cd and burst timing without addressing the real issue.

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Summoner/Scholar:
Aetherflow

• Skills such as One Ilm Punch or Glory Slash can now remove any remaining stacks of Aetherflow on a selected target.

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if aetherflow abilities were too strong in pvp then they should have been adjusted individually. turning one class into a complete counter to another is no way to balance, and scholar's potential lifespan was already much shorter than white mage's against teams with monks (assuming perfect play by both sides). summoners can easily adapt their aetherflow usage and will remain overpowered until something is done about bane.

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scholar's potential lifespan was already much shorter than white mage's against teams with monks (assuming perfect play by both sides).

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You make some good points, but this one I could not agree with. In many matches the White Mage would run out of mana long before the scholar had any problems. Still, there were not enough high-end PvP matches to say one way or another.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

Is this a sad crying face or happy crying face?

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TEARS OF JOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Hate looking fruity :3

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Originally Posted by Akie

TEARS OF JOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Hate looking fruity :3

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haha same here, i hated it ^^

Additional Stuff
•The following have been added to the list of items requested for expert delivery missions: PvP gear exchanged for Wolf Marks (item level 70 and 90)

Weird when i wanted to trade some lvl 70 pvp gear it offered me flame seals?