I was iLvl 73 for Syrcus Tower and people raged that my iLvl was too low?

is iLvl 73 too low to effectively do Syrcus Tower?

No, they are just being tryhards.

If DF lets you que in said gear you are geared enough. People just hate the idea of having to work a little harder for any reason.

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Originally Posted by Slick

is iLvl 73 too low to effectively do Syrcus Tower?

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Effectively? Yeah if it's your first job and it's i73 you won't be effective. You can still queue for it though

That's a loaded question I would say, your ilvl helps you do better at your job but i know plenty of people with lower ilvl that do better than higher ilvl people. The question would be if you are one of those, if you are not then in a way you're making things harder for others. Syrcus tower is pretty easy so even if you don't do very well and end up making things harder for other people it shouldn't be a deal breaker.

Problem would be if most of the people in the run are low ilvl and don't perform very well, then you might not finish Syrcus tower. Main reason I think people consider ilvl73 too low for Syrcus even if it is very easy is that there's CT and that one gives ilvl80 and the precursor of ST, so I think most people are just unhappy thinking that you want to just skip CT altogether cause it's a bit more work to get fully geared before jumping into ST. There's also the whole Myth/Soldiery armor which is pretty easy to get which is i90 and i100 respectively so i73 is pretty low comparatively.

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Originally Posted by Slick

is iLvl 73 too low to effectively do Syrcus Tower?

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Take it easy, when you i110 ppl will tell you gear is not improtant. ^^;

Was it a person who was the same job as you?

Ilevel doesn't really matter that much in Srycus.

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Originally Posted by Slick

is iLvl 73 too low to effectively do Syrcus Tower?

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Maybe for the tank, but otherwise it shouldn't be a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Slick

is iLvl 73 too low to effectively do Syrcus Tower?

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Nah so long can que up np!
I been there with people over ilvl100 who hasen't repair there gear when u start wonder why they have lower then 2.3k health almost getting 1 shot by all aoe.
Priceless gamers.

Who cares what they think? If you can queue for it, queue for it. I've seen plenty of people gimp themselves so that they can spiritbond in ST and we still finish the raid without any problems. As long as you're doing your job, you're fine.

as far i can tell only the MT that need to be geared i80+ will be ok

rest if all i70 np

Its just ST lol, ignore them. As long as you are doing your job and not dying to dumb stuff you are all good.

Just tryhards. The people that complain about that are the same people who don't help out with mechanics because their DPS is too important and they shouldn't have to move.

No your fine ilvl in this games sometimes a joke iv ran with ppl in titan hm who are ilvl 100+ have at least 5300hp and still get hit way to much :D as long {like others are saying} as you know your job your ok

Well honestly... there is zero reason to enter st without i90 gears consider how easy it is to get them form the hunt vendor

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

Well honestly... there is zero reason to enter st without i90 gears consider how easy it is to get them form the hunt vendor

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Tell me, are 51 Allied Seals enough for full i90 gear? Because that's all I've gotten. I have better gear, but generally you shouldn't make the assumption that people are doing nothing but farming hunts.

Crystal tower is still the fastest way to get tomes to buy lvl 90 gear. And st really is only feasible once a week, since after you get an item you are locked out from getting loot until reset on Tuesday.

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Originally Posted by Slick

is iLvl 73 too low to effectively do Syrcus Tower?

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Yes, it is low and you'll be carried in ST. But who cares anyway?
Normally I would suggest to go no earlier than when you have gear 10 levels lower than gear dropped in any given dungeon (except coil as it have same level gear for all stages). If you want to fully participate and nor just get the loot on back of others.

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Originally Posted by Genesis-xyx

If DF lets you que in said gear you are geared enough. People just hate the idea of having to work a little harder for any reason.

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Ilvl requirement provide an absolute minimum, not even recommended level. And it was stated that it made so to allow people "help other" (=carry) in content.

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Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

as far i can tell only the MT that need to be geared i80+ will be ok.rest if all i70 np

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You will not pass Xande with i70 dps. And I really doubt that i70 heals would be able to keep tank/party alive on all bosses. A lot of attacks will leave people on the floor with their 3k hp at their 70ilvl.
ST really looks easy when majority of alliance at 100+ilvl. But there are some nasty dps/heal checks that ilvl70 will fail a lot.

I drop down to around ilvl 70 something when Spirit bonding on the trash fights(right side only), I just keep an alternate gear set so I can switch between the spirit bond gear and my real gear for boss fights, no one has ever complained to me... and sometimes even if I forget and keep my SB gear on during a boss fight, it doesn't really make that much of a difference, if people have the fight mechanics down and execute them properly, there isn't really anyway that you can lose.

note that I keep the main gear (left side) all ilvl 100+ while the right side is ilvl 49ish, so it averages out to be around ilvl 73-5ish, but the items on the left are worth alot more then then the right side, the numbers are deceptive because its a simple average, it doesn't care what stats your actually getting.

If the game lets you queue in DF for it your item level is sufficient to be there. Whether it is mechanically enough to pass the content is irrelevant. There are so many i100 people in ST, hard primals, expert roulette, and every other pug dungeon wrestling each other over oils and tomes and alt gear that they shouldn't even notice the difference.

IME, some of the players in ST are such slackasses that you'll pull the same numbers they do at i90 (EHP, DPS, HPS, whatever) just by playing your job to its limit at i70. You'd have to be seriously damn good, but I'm not joking.

The only thing I don't understand is how they even noticed your ilvl? Sounds like there's something missing here, cause who the hell checks people's gear in a 24 man faceroll raid.

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Originally Posted by Chek

The only thing I don't understand is how they even noticed your ilvl? Sounds like there's something missing here, cause who the hell checks people's gear in a 24 man faceroll raid.

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I do that sometimes, just out of curiosity mostly though

If I'm there for armor I'll check out others on the same job to see what they are currently wearing so I know if I have competition. Also, people wear glamours a lot in ST so I sometimes check because of that. I'm not checking for ilvl, though. Mine is high enough that I'm not too concerned with anyone else's.

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Originally Posted by Slick

is iLvl 73 too low to effectively do Syrcus Tower?

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Do some of the new hard modes for 80 gear it's very easy.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Maybe for the tank, but otherwise it shouldn't be a big deal.

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There are some mechanics that can't be avoided that do a significant amount of damage and if you step in oops it could kill you often.

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

Well honestly... there is zero reason to enter st without i90 gears consider how easy it is to get them form the hunt vendor

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I have farmed 0 hunts and won't even stop if I happen upon a mob now. I have gotten a total of 39 seals since they started, it's a broken, crap system.
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Now to the OP that is just fine for that place, average ilevel is only 70 anyway.

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

If I'm there for armor I'll check out others on the same job to see what they are currently wearing so I know if I have competition. Also, people wear glamours a lot in ST so I sometimes check because of that. I'm not checking for ilvl, though. Mine is high enough that I'm not too concerned with anyone else's.

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I stand corrected. I do both of these myself.

I dunno. I had a ST party once with a Drg who was using the unfinished Relic weapon as his weapon. Obviously he met or surpassed the minimum requirements needed to enter ST but I find that really annoying. His dps was terrible, as to be expected, and when I got onto him about it he switched his weapon out... with an even lower i40something weapon. I really don't think he was doing it to anger me or anyone else on purpose, because he eventually must have realized he lowered his damage even more with the even lesser weapon and ended up wearing the unfinished relic again to finish out ST.

I and the other members of the party practically carried him through ST. He died quite a few times, mostly because he just didn't have the HP to survive taking much damage. His gear in general was very lackluster, so to me that screams he's relatively a new level 50 player.

Personally, I don't like these kinds of players. It's not because they are newly level 50, but because they don't even seem to try to gear themselves up better for higher tier content before attempting to do that content. Sure you can enter ST at the minimum requirements, does that mean it's a good idea... not really. The dungeon drops i100 gear, please have at least an ilvl of somewhere between 80-90 before queing in. You'll be better prepared to survive, and you'll be a competent member of your party, assuming you even know how to play your job properly.

Back when I hit 50 for the first time, I sure as hell didn't start doing the relic quest until I had all of my Darklight armor and accessories. I wanted to be an asset to the other players I was fighting the primals with, not a hindrance so when I started doing Ifrit and Garuda I had most if of the DL set and what wasn't DL were AK/WP drops. So you can bet I ran Ifrit until I got my Ifrit weapon, and then Garuda until I got that weapon (at the time I think the Garuda and Titan weapons were the same ilvl so I didn't have to run Titan until I got that weapon). With my Garuda weapon and full DL (gradually replacing my DL accessories with myth accessories as I became able to do so [myth cap was low]) I felt quite confident that I wouldn't hinder whatever group I joined and secure in that I was doing the best I could do to work towards that goal of obtaining my relic weapon.

So yeah, it irks me when someone else doesn't even try, and it brings down the rest of the party/group's performance.

I'm not saying you need to be i100+ for ST, but at the very least be i80-90. That's not even hard to achieve these days. And for the love of god, if you're a dps, have like.. bare minimum at least an i70 weapon.

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Originally Posted by Krr

If the game lets you queue in DF for it your item level is sufficient to be there.

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There was (intentionally) some room left for carry parties. But you can't expect other people to carry you and normally you should not behave in such a way.
My most infuriating experience in DF were when a tank decided that he can spiritbond in HM dungeons, and he went with the whole set, both right side (that I normally don't really care) and *left* side. Yes, he passed "minimum requirements" and I (as a healer) honestly tried to pull it off, but when he died from oneshot 3 times in a row, I told him goodbye.

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

If I'm there for armor I'll check out others on the same job to see what they are currently wearing so I know if I have competition. Also, people wear glamours a lot in ST so I sometimes check because of that. I'm not checking for ilvl, though. Mine is high enough that I'm not too concerned with anyone else's.

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I sometimes check people who die a lot. Never complain though. Just for personal understanding whether people underequipped or underskilled.

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Originally Posted by Ecks007

I'm not saying you need to be i100+ for ST, but at the very least be i80-90. That's not even hard to achieve these days. And for the love of god, if you're a dps, have like.. bare minimum at least an i70 weapon.

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Eh, it depends on how you meet your i70. If you have an i70+ weapon and mostly i70+ gear on your left side, it's good enough. You're not going to help face roll the dungeon, but you'll perform well enough.

If you've got an i55 weapon, are wearing your AF (i50-i55) and have some i90+ accessories and belt to meet the i70 minimum reqs, then you're abusing the ilvl system and are a problem.

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

If I'm there for armor I'll check out others on the same job to see what they are currently wearing so I know if I have competition. Also, people wear glamours a lot in ST so I sometimes check because of that. I'm not checking for ilvl, though. Mine is high enough that I'm not too concerned with anyone else's.

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I do this too.

I am not sure what it really matters. I was in one group short 4 people for some reason they never got replaced. We cleared all the bosses no trouble. I know some of them were i100. But that means we could have had 4 level 1s and still cleared.

Unless you are wiping at a boss. As we only know they complained not how the run was. Is there any real need to shame people in chat. Look them up on lodestone make a character and talk nicely to them. And people wonder why we can't have nice things.

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Originally Posted by Felessan

There was (intentionally) some room left for carry parties. But you can't expect other people to carry you and normally you should not behave in such a way.
My most infuriating experience in DF were when a tank decided that he can spiritbond in HM dungeons, and he went with the whole set, both right side (that I normally don't really care) and *left* side. Yes, he passed "minimum requirements" and I (as a healer) honestly tried to pull it off, but when he died from oneshot 3 times in a row, I told him goodbye.

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Spiritbond horror stories don't have any relevance to legitimately undergeared players trying to gear up through content most players sleep through. The average i90 player plays like a damn i70 player these days anyway, because there is no need to put forth effort with everyone so overgeared.

I don't get it why people don't want to do some effort to gather a bunch of level 80-90 gears through normal dungeon runs. Between daily roulettes, hunts (even if you only get 100 seals a week), and hard mode dungeon - getting a set of lvl 90 gears will take a mere days. As casuals, it will take you about one week, semi hardcore players could get it in mere 2-3 days. Getting your level 90 relic weapon is one weekend worth of work for most players. If you are healers, putting a bunch of vitality accessories would greatly help your HP pool.

While nobody likes to have someone not pulling their weight, it's just ST. People get carried through it all the time while most gear hits the floor. I am more annoyed with the i110 player who dies 3 times each fight. Just know that you are getting carried.

ST is pretty faceroll as it is yet people in i90-100+ are already getting carried in there. If you can queue for it, you're fine as long as you know what you're doing.

People are seriously complaining about iLvl in CT? Like, I went in the other day with Ifrit's Harpoon (glamour'd as Liberator), DL Cuirass (glamour'd as Allagan Cuirass) and other really comparative low gear to what I normally have. No one cared, no one said a thing and no one even looked at my stats (sad for me, I was hoping for some laughs). Point being, those who do that have poor self-esteem and feel the need to tear others down. That or they had really really bad previous runs. ST is almost pure mechanics and unless you're still using iLvl60 Weapons or less, I wouldn't worry about it as long as you follow the mechanics.

ST is pretty easy so dont worry about it too much but i personally would gear myself up a bit more. i90 gear costs measly 20+ allied seals (pretty much a single rank a mob), myth stones are very easy to obtain via duty roulette and there are dungeons who drop i80 gear which you could farm or coil 1. So you can be pretty much i90 in like one evening game session. Feels a bit wrong to skip so much content and go straight for ST but ultimately no one could or should blame you for it.

Caring about ilvl in syrcus tower. My sides. OP just die a little inside then laugh a little about it after the run.

There's a lot of high ilvl players but during the first portion of the week I get people that can't into ST mechanics. I have to wait until the weekend to get queue'd with players that can into consecutive clears regardless of ilvl.

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Originally Posted by AiChyan

Its just ST lol, ignore them. As long as you are doing your job and not dying to dumb stuff you are all good.

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Pretty much this. When I go into ST, I expect to see some less geared people in there.

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Originally Posted by WinterSolstice

Just tryhards. The people that complain about that are the same people who don't help out with mechanics because their DPS is too important and they shouldn't have to move.

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It's fun when those people put DPS over things like dodging Ancient Quakega. I don't heal people like that. I would sooner have a new-ish or less geared person that's actually trying to do the dungeon correctly than someone that's trying to facetank everything to get high numbers on their parser or whatever the hell they're doing.

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Originally Posted by Jasiwel

People are seriously complaining about iLvl in CT? Like, I went in the other day with Ifrit's Harpoon (glamour'd as Liberator), DL Cuirass (glamour'd as Allagan Cuirass) and other really comparative low gear to what I normally have.

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You can't glamour gear to something a higher ilevel. :P