Please allow purchase of drops from cleared content via tokens (soldiery?).

It would be nice if there was an NPC that let your purchase raid gear from raids you have cleared. For example, if you've cleared Second Coil Turn 1, it lets you purchase items from that raid (though if you haven't cleared Turn 2, you can't buy anything that drops from there). In the context of Second Coil drops, this should cost soldiery, and have costs comparable to weathered gear (since HA has the additional cost of requiring a clear, whereas weathered gear is essentially "free").

This would let folks who already have all of the weathered gear for their job actually start getting the rest of their BiS in the case that they are severely unlucky with drops.

With the crushing one week lockout on Second Coil, it is EXTREMELY frustrating to clear a Turn week after week and get NOTHING. For example, I've yet to even see a casting drop from Turn 1. Like, not even SEE it drop. And 2 of my 5 BiS for HA come from there. Best part is, both of them are tied to the same chest, so there's zero chance I'll get both in the same week. But hey, I've seen a LOT of tanking and healing gear. Sure is fun to free lot stuff I don't want! In fact, the only thing I've gotten from Coil for my main is High Allagan Belt of Casting. Not even Best in Slot. Woo!

I can't even begin to explain how much less I would hate this game if not for the extremely low chance of getting anything I want (outside of hunts... lol). I think loot should be locked behind skill-based challenges, not just like... Mindless repetition coupled with taking another swing at that slot machine. I'm extremely disinterested in the pattern of 1% drop rates for vanity items (mounts, mirrors, minions), and the overall poor drop rate and extreme lockout timers on current content. I've only seen a primal mount drop once or twice, only seen mirror drop twice, and this is with 100-150 wins on Levi EX, and dozens of wins on every other EX primal (besides Ramuh).

It's very odd to design a game where you can play any job on the same character, then make it almost impossible (unless you are super lucky with drops) to gear more than a single job before the gear becomes obsolete.

I thought it might be nice if they let you send retainers after specific items from content you've cleared, but have the venture cost more and/or take an enormous amount of time. Although I was thinking more in terms of vanity gear from low level dungeons rather than BiS gear.

I doubt SE would do anything nice for Coil people, they seem pretty happy with the routine they've got going with lockouts. And it seems like they just want to ignore hunts as much as possible and pretend nothing has changed with how players expect to get gear.

So your idea is that people should only ever have to clear Coil once, then never really have to do it again? That is really, really dumb.
It would also encourage a lot of groups to just sell clears.

Yeah, as much as the seems a good idea, once you clear every dungeon once you would have no incentive to touch the dungeon ever again. Then that leaves the now dwindling amount of players who haven't done the dungeon yet to suck Duty Finder queues that could effectively never be filled. I mean, imagine a new player trying to get their Sastasha win with absolutely noone to do it with and jilted players telling them to use Duty Finder only to have even that not work. No, I can't even look at the idea sarcastically, it's just that bad. You want the gear, run the dungeons. Try and be a member of the community for Twelves' sake!

The problem is in the philosophy of what a raid is about. You are rewarded gear for a successful raid. The rewarded gear that drops may not be what you want/need, but the chance is always there.

Your proposal would completely break this philosophy. Weathered gear already kind of breaks that philosophy because it's better than anything before SCoB/ST, with the exception that you can only get one a week due to the Soldiery cap unless Soldiery carries into the next week.

For this to work it couldn't be soldiery tomes. It would have to be a currency you got specifically for clearing Coil. Moreover, the cost would have to be at least what you'd get for clearing all 4 turns, but more probably what you'd get for clearing all 4 turns 3-4 times. This would essentially provide 8 extra drops per group every 3-4 weeks (and optimum drops at that). It might be the sort of thing that can add later in a raid's life cycle (right about now for SCoB I guess), but near the beginning it would just get people geared up much more efficiently.

It's a great idea, but only if they introduces specific currency for SCoB, this way you farm this, and use that specific currency (which should be capped per week). So you can technically get one item from the dungeons, and another items from using your currency. And you get better at clearing since you farm this.

Oh please no. Is already sad to see people on full i110 soldery gear failing at Titan Ex thanks to hunts sands/oil.

If that option existed people would clear once and never go again ( a lot would) then people who need it wont find anyone.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiZero

If that option existed people would clear once and never go again ( a lot would) then people who need it wont find anyone.

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Looks like it's been already said a few times, as this is a good example, but just to be clear, OP, This is a very bad idea, You think it's hard to find groups now due to hunts, with a system like that new people would NEVER get anything done.

It would basically turn into FFXI were you won't get help for crap unless you pay people.

SE did this in FFXI for delve. Delve was the main alliance end game event for the Seekers expansion. Each zone had 5 bosses and 1 mega boss they all had their own drops but once you beat a boss you would get a key item that would make a NPC sell the items that the bosses dropped. Now everything you killed in delve gave you points to buy stuff. However you only needed to kill everything once to unlock all the items on the npc and pretty much buy everything. People were geared up with all the gear in the game like after 1 month.

Had they needed to keep farming bosses would of been much longer to gear up.

However bosses weren't exactly push overs so people who could clear the stuff easy started charging 20m to carry people. People wanted the key item so they just needed to kill the bosses once so then they paid LSs 20m for runs through the zone. Then to get their points they would just farm trash mobs over and over to earn their points because they weren't good enough to do bosses.

I think it was a bit silly to have all the best gear in the game after like a month. Then you are sitting around for like a year waiting for SE to come out with new content.

Make loot from chests unique to each player with a tradeable option between members in there (ONLY for the gear in there, anything from outside the dungeon such as gil cannot be traded). Voila, almost everyone is happy... If their stuff drops.

Spend millions to get carried by mercs, bide your time a few weeks then suddenly pop up in mor dhona in i111 bis gear and AFK showing off like you earned it, even though you couldnt even beat t5.

Nice.

I think having something like this done on older content would be nice- content you'd be doing for vanity or small progression boosts to leveling alts (so not real end game content). Although I kind of want to see really old dead content allowed for solo or duo content (discounting possible npc partners). Dead content annoys me, never die :D.

For current content I think you could also do a similar system but must include more frequent clearing and particular point lockouts (solidery sort of does that but doesn't include more clearings). I imagine getting an item at the end of every clear, after X clears you have X items- you can use these to buy the unlock of an item for Y points. So a clearer example, you want to buy the Rod of Phat Stacks a drop for The Coil of RNGeus- it takes 15 RNGeus tokens to unlock, a token dropped each clear. You clear the Coil 15 times and you purchase the unlock, now you can buy the item with soldiery or whatever point system SE is currently using.

Technically you can just add another currency specifically for whichever dungeons you are talking about, but the problem with that would be you would need to make many currencies depending on the number of hard dungeons (so you can be sure people were clearing a particular content at least a few times). Also using a token system (items from inventory) mixed with the current currency would mean that whichever currency is popular will maintain so even further, which is good because SE will connect that currency to roulette and other duties keeping the game alive for all others.

Garuda tokens system from 1.0, content has a rare chance to drop gear but you also get a guaranteed number of tokens specific to that content every time you beat it, then you can use them to buy pieces of gear from the content you're already consistently clearing if you're unlucky with the content's RNG. Wish they would have implemented that instead of the tomes system.

No this is a horrible idea. Either beat the content and let RNG play its factor or be stuck with lesser gear. Stop asking for handouts.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

It would basically turn into FFXI were you won't get help for crap unless you pay people.

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Ummm....what?

On-topic: Terrible idea for already stated reasons in this thread.

Whats the po

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Originally Posted by Roris

Garuda tokens system from 1.0, content has a rare chance to drop gear but you also get a guaranteed number of tokens specific to that content every time you beat it, then you can use them to buy pieces of gear from the content you're already consistently clearing if you're unlucky with the content's RNG. Wish they would have implemented that instead of the tomes system.

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The tokens weren't a guarantee, either. I beat King Moggle Mog and Ifrit numerous times back then and only got one weapon from Ifrit and one Ifrit token.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Ummm....what?

On-topic: Terrible idea for already stated reasons in this thread.

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What? did you have trouble reading that? did you play FFXI? because back then most people refused to help you with content unless you paied them (mercs), obviously not everyone and friends, but i think you get the idea. Like zumi stated with people charging absurd amounts of gill for clears, which is a good example of that. Just depended on how desperate you were.

Sorry. Stupid phone;

Whats the point of getting all the best gear without struggle, endless runs.. And just be geared up in a matter of weeks?

People are in such a rush rush and for what really? The game isnt going anywhere. Just enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

The tokens weren't a guarantee, either. I beat King Moggle Mog and Ifrit numerous times back then and only got one weapon from Ifrit and one Ifrit token.

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The rest weren't but Garuda tokens were guaranteed, that's kinda why I specified Garuda. Took more tokens than the rest to get a weapon but they always dropped.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

What? did you have trouble reading that? did you play FFXI? because back then most people refused to help you with content unless you paied them (mercs), obviously not everyone and friends, but i think you get the idea. Like zumi stated with people charging absurd amounts of gill for clears, which is a good example of that. Just depended on how desperate you were.

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Nah, not difficulty reading as much as wanting to know what kind of server you even played on. I played FFXI for 6 years and never had to pay for anything nor even seen this remotely close as widespread as you re making it out to be. If anything, people where the one coming at you shouting and spamming "sell tongue pls, sell black belt item plzzzz" that we just shrugged off. You complete anything with a half decent LS.

Considering that they hand out Sand like it's nothing these days, they might as well implement this.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Nah, not difficulty reading as much as wanting to know what kind of server you even played on. I played FFXI for 6 years and never had to pay for anything nor even seen this remotely close as widespread as you re making it out to be. If anything, people where the one coming at you shouting and spamming "sell tongue pls, sell black belt item plzzzz" that we just shrugged off. You complete anything with a half decent LS.

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I also played for 6 years and went through 2 different servers, perhaps you never saw it, i remember a while back i was shouting for help with a limit break quest and someone responded "how much you going to pay me?" mind you i was never desperate enough to ever waste gill on clears or anything related to content clearing/monster slaying i am just stating observation facts. just because you never experinced it on your 1 server ( i assume) doesn't meant it didn't happen, obviously i had a group/LS/freinds eventually, but it was still there.


And i know all to well with the constant begging of Black belt items as i was heavily into an HNM LS as the main WHM, god that crap was annoying..

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Originally Posted by Volcano

I also played for 6 years and went through 2 different servers, perhaps you never saw it, i remember a while back i was shouting for help with a limit break quest and someone responded "how much you going to pay me?" mind you i was never desperate enough to ever waste gill on clears or anything related to content clearing/monster slaying i am just stating observation facts. just because you never experinced it on your 1 server ( i assume) doesn't meant it didn't happen, obviously i had a group/LS/freinds eventually, but it was still there.


And i know all to well with the constant begging of Black belt items as i was heavily into an HNM LS as the main WHM, god that crap was annoying..

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There was a LOT of content selling on FFXI.