Suggestion: Balancing outgoing heals in Frontlines.

I know many of you have already experienced the amount of healing that goes out in frontlines and most of the time, if the enemy team has 1 healer more than your party, it usually means that you will lose in the skirmish. Usually, not always. (I've seen a healer heal for 2k at the end of the battle, lol)

I have 3 suggestions that could potentially balance out outgoing healing without limiting players by restricting party compositions.

1. If there is any overhealing as a result of aoe heals, it should build the LB gauge for any opposing team in the proximity of the heal. I know having a variety of party members give a buff to LB increase, but it really doesn't mean much if a team can hold a point for 5 minutes and wither your team down before they can get the lb. This would make for some more interesting battles all around and could be a comeback factor for obtaining the node that spawns in the middle of the arena.

2. Give dps tools to decrease outgoing healing. Right now, players always go for the healers because you know, they're trying to prevent you from healing 520k hp by the end of the battle. But I think if you give tools to decrease outgoing healing from a target, it could also allow players to not always focus the healer after making use of that tool. Right now, MRD and ACN can decrease incoming healing, but it doesn't mean much when there are 2-3 healers healing whoever is being focused anyway. So if you coordinate, you can pick any target after reducing the outgoing healing of opposing healers.

3. Increase the mp cost for aoe heals. I mean, there is no need to explain the impact this would have.

These are just some proposed suggestions (number 1 being my fav) that I believe would tip the balance of heals towards being balanced.


What do you guys think?

I dont think that outgoing heals are pb in frontline, i suggest to make useless teams with a lot of healers with an ajustement like "Hots no longer stacks from healers" (regen, medica II) and prevent spam of divine soil with immunity like "anti-virus" for 1 min.

if you want to change the heal in PVP, then you have to change heal in PVP and not PVE, because in PVE healing is totally fine from both WHM and SCH. none of the particular WHM or SCH abilities have to be nerfed.
as a healer myself, i do agree that they should do something because everything now is just too much priotarized for healers, a simple 20-30% heal debuff on everyone in PVP constantly would decrease everything by a bit and less people would QQ.
while there is still a lot to argue about, because if i get a good bard on me, most of my heals if not all just get constantly interrupted. but still the PvP shouldnt be so much focused on getting healers down, and a healing debuff would just do fine with it.

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Originally Posted by Akyio

if you want to change the heal in PVP, then you have to change heal in PVP and not PVE, because in PVE healing is totally fine from both WHM and SCH. none of the particular WHM or SCH abilities have to be nerfed.
as a healer myself, i do agree that they should do something because everything now is just too much priotarized for healers, a simple 20-30% heal debuff on everyone in PVP constantly would decrease everything by a bit and less people would QQ.
while there is still a lot to argue about, because if i get a good bard on me, most of my heals if not all just get constantly interrupted. but still the PvP shouldnt be so much focused on getting healers down, and a healing debuff would just do fine with it.

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Pve could be affected, especially multiples Whm spaming medica II (T2 enrage for ex) !
Increase mp cost or make an 20-30% debuff will tremendously penalize groups with only one healer imo.
Btw, there is no holy fix, It's something of a problem from player behavior, the trend is to get Imba rather than trying to balance something interesting.

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2. Give dps tools to decrease outgoing healing.

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Its called Stun / sleep / slow and spell speed decrease ? I mean you can literally stack spell speed decrease + slow. Bad dps are bad

I tend to play scholar in most of my FL matches and against a good grp, i can get shut down hard and fast. stuns, sleeps, debuffs, interrupts all force me to blow my cool downs just to stay alive let alone keep my group healed. Against a mediocre/unorganized/bad group they dont stand a chance. It amazes me that in some fights I'm left completely alone to heal to my hearts content. That's on you..not me. i'm doing my job, do yours.

Frontlines is new and it really saddens me that people are crying out of the chute. Adapt and Conquer people. Try new tactics, communicate with your groups. :)

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Its called Stun / sleep / slow and spell speed decrease ? I mean you can literally stack spell speed decrease + slow. Bad dps are bad

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LOL. Those are another type of CC. He is talking about skills like Warrior Storm's Eye that actually reduce incoming heals http://xivdb.com/?skill/45/Storm%27s-Eye


Stuns, sleeps, slows must be applied to the healer while storm's eye debuff should be applied to the target you are trying to kill, to reduce incoming heals.

Not a bad idea, PvP skills with this type of debuff.

LOL this thread; I'd recommend you look further into the real dilemma of problem at hand. Heals are not the issue; it's the individuals who can't coordinate properly and focus a healer down. The populous should really understand that PvP is a tactical foundation. You don't just smash your keys like a goon and expect to kill a healer. By nerfing healing down by 20/30% when you have BLM/SMN'ers or burst rotations from other classes can easily destroy a healer.

You're simply asking to nerf a class due to the simple notion of your team being goons and not coordinating properly; you want to win? get on a Voip and make a party and destroy people. The amount of damage inflicted on healers if coordinated properly no healer can withstand such dmg. Take for granted if you were to kill one sure another on can rez them. But it's pvp; get good is all I can say.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Vudus

LOL. Those are another type of CC. He is talking about skills like Warrior Storm's Eye that actually reduce incoming heals http://xivdb.com/?skill/45/Storm%27s-Eye


Stuns, sleeps, slows must be applied to the healer while storm's eye debuff should be applied to the target you are trying to kill, to reduce incoming heals.

Not a bad idea, PvP skills with this type of debuff.

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I know I know, but then it d introduce another kind of issue if all dpsers can let say "corrupt a healer" so he'd heal less ... I mean Esuna / Leecher are already pretty limited tools, havin to clean something on top of the existing multiple debuffs + cc's would be clearly unbalanced for the healers ;p

If you can't down a WHM/SCH effectively with the your team. Then YOUR team needs work. Not the healers. Honestly if you had a team full of healers most the time you would not be complaibing avout your own teams outgoing heals. Its just another case of "cant work together to kill heals".

Seriously though, the solution is extremely simple:

Maximum of 2, MAYBE 3 healers per full party, period. End of discussion. Healers wouldn't need any adjustments with this change.

It's when you reach the breakpoints of 4 or more competent healers that things just go to hell.

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Originally Posted by Zyrusticae

Seriously though, the solution is extremely simple:

Maximum of 2, MAYBE 3 healers per full party, period. End of discussion. Healers wouldn't need any adjustments with this change.

It's when you reach the breakpoints of 4 or more competent healers that things just go to hell.

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This is not done because they wish you to rely on strategy and could not you imagine the que time for frontlines if it was made like a regular raid but with 72ppl! Are you crazy?

Then they will have to nerf all heal amounts in Frontlines, because there's no way in hell you're ever going to have anything resembling balance as long as healers can dish out 300k+ heals per match.

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Originally Posted by Psykotsu

Healers are OP.

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It is never a smart move to adjust Healers' healing abilities just for sake of PvP, because it will destroy PvE. PvE is the primary for FF14.

How about put a restriction on number of healers? No, it wont work, becaue it will put more stress on matching making and everyone will just get a long que, in which we dont want.

If you cant either touch healing abilities or number of healers, there are only two options left:

1. Find some way to increase meeles' uptime on healers to give more pressure.
2. Put penalty on their PvP actions.

You would never touch the PvE actions because we dont want to see WoW chaos in here, again.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

It is never a smart move to adjust Healers' healing abilities just for sake of PvP, because it will destroy PvE. PvE is the primary for FF14. .

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They nerfed CC on pvp instance. They can adjust abilities in PvP instances as much as they want and it wont hurt PvE content.

Possibly the most balanced way would be healing diminishing returns.

Two possibilities come to mind

1) If you have over X amount of healers in your group or battle, all heals are reduced by a stacking X%

2) The more you heal a single target, the less its going to be healed for. After the Xth heal within Y seconds on the same target, they get a stacking -Z% heal received for N seconds.

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Originally Posted by Madeiner

Possibly the most balanced way would be healing diminishing returns.

Two possibilities come to mind

1) If you have over X amount of healers in your group or battle, all heals are reduced by a stacking X%

2) The more you heal a single target, the less its going to be healed for. After the Xth heal within Y seconds on the same target, they get a stacking -Z% heal received for N seconds.

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This is the intelligent response.

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Originally Posted by Vudus

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Storms Eye already stacks with Disease from the SCH/SMN, atleast i believe so. Thats 40% reduced healing right there.

Furthermore there are many many diffrent ways to deal with the healer. Besides which has already been mentioned people need to save their Stuns/Silences for when the healer dips below half HP or pops Equiminity/Surecast. Coordinate DPS, you can EASILY blow up a healer before his friends can help him out with coordinated focus fire.

Glory Slash/Wither/One Ilm punch remove Protects/Regens/Stoneskins, START USING THOSE DISPELLS. That which was useless in PvE is amazing in PvP.

If you encounter a 6 WHM/SCH group (that has never happened to me) then simply let them camp the flag and go cap a different one or bring in more people and just sit on top of them. They cant kill any of you unless you have absolutely no heals. Honestly this is PvP, you cant expect to ever win by whacking your heads against something and crying when it doesnt die. Sometimes it better to pressure the WHM/SCH's and then go in a burst a BLM/BRD because they are distracted. Try sleeping the other healers and then bursting a single one down.

There are so many ways of dealing with them.