Suggestion: Balancing outgoing heals in Frontlines.

[Psykotsu]

I know many of you have already experienced the amount of healing that goes out in frontlines and most of the time, if the enemy team has 1 healer more than your party, it usually means that you will lose in the skirmish. Usually, not always. (I've seen a healer heal for 2k at the end of the battle, lol)

I have 3 suggestions that could potentially balance out outgoing healing without limiting players by restricting party compositions.

1. If there is any overhealing as a result of aoe heals, it should build the LB gauge for any opposing team in the proximity of the heal. I know having a variety of party members give a buff to LB increase, but it really doesn't mean much if a team can hold a point for 5 minutes and wither your team down before they can get the lb. This would make for some more interesting battles all around and could be a comeback factor for obtaining the node that spawns in the middle of the arena.

[Psykotsu]

2. Give dps tools to decrease outgoing healing. Right now, players always go for the healers because you know, they're trying to prevent you from healing 520k hp by the end of the battle. But I think if you give tools to decrease outgoing healing from a target, it could also allow players to not always focus the healer after making use of that tool. Right now, MRD and ACN can decrease incoming healing, but it doesn't mean much when there are 2-3 healers healing whoever is being focused anyway. So if you coordinate, you can pick any target after reducing the outgoing healing of opposing healers.

3. Increase the mp cost for aoe heals. I mean, there is no need to explain the impact this would have.

These are just some proposed suggestions (number 1 being my fav) that I believe would tip the balance of heals towards being balanced.


What do you guys think?

[Edenlys]

I dont think that outgoing heals are pb in frontline, i suggest to make useless teams with a lot of healers with an ajustement like "Hots no longer stacks from healers" (regen, medica II) and prevent spam of divine soil with immunity like "anti-virus" for 1 min.

[Akyio]

if you want to change the heal in PVP, then you have to change heal in PVP and not PVE, because in PVE healing is totally fine from both WHM and SCH. none of the particular WHM or SCH abilities have to be nerfed.
as a healer myself, i do agree that they should do something because everything now is just too much priotarized for healers, a simple 20-30% heal debuff on everyone in PVP constantly would decrease everything by a bit and less people would QQ.
while there is still a lot to argue about, because if i get a good bard on me, most of my heals if not all just get constantly interrupted. but still the PvP shouldnt be so much focused on getting healers down, and a healing debuff would just do fine with it.

[Edenlys]

if you want to change the heal in PVP, then you have to change heal in PVP and not PVE, because in PVE healing is totally fine from both WHM and SCH. none of the particular WHM or SCH abilities have to be nerfed.
as a healer myself, i do agree that they should do something because everything now is just too much priotarized for healers, a simple 20-30% heal debuff on everyone in PVP constantly would decrease everything by a bit and less people would QQ.
while there is still a lot to argue about, because if i get a good bard on me, most of my heals if not all just get constantly interrupted. but still the PvP shouldnt be so much focused on getting healers down, and a healing debuff would just do fine with it.

Pve could be affected, especially multiples Whm spaming medica II (T2 enrage for ex) !
Increase mp cost or make an 20-30% debuff will tremendously penalize groups with only one healer imo.
Btw, there is no holy fix, It's something of a problem from player behavior, the trend is to get Imba rather than trying to balance something interesting.

[Sygmaelle]

2. Give dps tools to decrease outgoing healing.

Its called Stun / sleep / slow and spell speed decrease ? I mean you can literally stack spell speed decrease + slow. Bad dps are bad

[Vudus]

Its called Stun / sleep / slow and spell speed decrease ? I mean you can literally stack spell speed decrease + slow. Bad dps are bad

LOL. Those are another type of CC. He is talking about skills like Warrior Storm's Eye that actually reduce incoming heals http://xivdb.com/?skill/45/Storm%27s-Eye


Stuns, sleeps, slows must be applied to the healer while storm's eye debuff should be applied to the target you are trying to kill, to reduce incoming heals.

Not a bad idea, PvP skills with this type of debuff.

[Sygmaelle]

LOL. Those are another type of CC. He is talking about skills like Warrior Storm's Eye that actually reduce incoming heals http://xivdb.com/?skill/45/Storm%27s-Eye


Stuns, sleeps, slows must be applied to the healer while storm's eye debuff should be applied to the target you are trying to kill, to reduce incoming heals.

Not a bad idea, PvP skills with this type of debuff.

I know I know, but then it d introduce another kind of issue if all dpsers can let say "corrupt a healer" so he'd heal less ... I mean Esuna / Leecher are already pretty limited tools, havin to clean something on top of the existing multiple debuffs + cc's would be clearly unbalanced for the healers ;p

[Sen_Terrechant]

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Storms Eye already stacks with Disease from the SCH/SMN, atleast i believe so. Thats 40% reduced healing right there.

Furthermore there are many many diffrent ways to deal with the healer. Besides which has already been mentioned people need to save their Stuns/Silences for when the healer dips below half HP or pops Equiminity/Surecast. Coordinate DPS, you can EASILY blow up a healer before his friends can help him out with coordinated focus fire.

Glory Slash/Wither/One Ilm punch remove Protects/Regens/Stoneskins, START USING THOSE DISPELLS. That which was useless in PvE is amazing in PvP.

If you encounter a 6 WHM/SCH group (that has never happened to me) then simply let them camp the flag and go cap a different one or bring in more people and just sit on top of them. They cant kill any of you unless you have absolutely no heals. Honestly this is PvP, you cant expect to ever win by whacking your heads against something and crying when it doesnt die. Sometimes it better to pressure the WHM/SCH's and then go in a burst a BLM/BRD because they are distracted. Try sleeping the other healers and then bursting a single one down.

There are so many ways of dealing with them.

[Tinsley]

I tend to play scholar in most of my FL matches and against a good grp, i can get shut down hard and fast. stuns, sleeps, debuffs, interrupts all force me to blow my cool downs just to stay alive let alone keep my group healed. Against a mediocre/unorganized/bad group they dont stand a chance. It amazes me that in some fights I'm left completely alone to heal to my hearts content. That's on you..not me. i'm doing my job, do yours.

Frontlines is new and it really saddens me that people are crying out of the chute. Adapt and Conquer people. Try new tactics, communicate with your groups.