Highly dislike the desynth system

I will state my displeasure first and foremost with not being able to skill cap each job. I will also state my displeasure in the fact that other skills go down as I'm bringing my main ones up. Now, I don't even want to level any other desynth skills at all due to be being afraid my GSM skill will decrease.

You know this taking a lot of fun out of crafting, right? Why did you let us master each crafting job (and battle job as well) if you cap our desynthing? Why make it where in order to do one thing such as desynth an i70 leather ring, I have to watch my GSM skill go down 50 points? It's ridiculous! Name a scenario in real life where an artisan suddenly forgets how pull apart a piece of furniture when he's dismantling a piece of jewelry. Please, fix this. Stop making this game feel so much like WORK!

Post a screenshot of your GSM going down 50 points from a single desynth.

It's specialization, and yes, if you really care to compare it to real life, someone that spends time on one skill 'will' slowly lose skill at other things. A carpenter who switches careers to construction work and later goes back to carpentry isn't going to be as good at it as they were when they left.

Further, you're exaggerating the loss. You 'occasionally' lose .01 points in a random other desynth craft while you're raising one and under 300 total. After 300, I imagine it's more severe, as it has to stay balanced, but it may well depend on how much you're raising one by.

If you really wanna master all create an alt to pick up 3 your missing I'm doing gsm bsm and ltw on main
And arm wvr alc on alt

I'm glad the game finally has some sort of choice finally (It's not like you can't change whenever you want) I enjoy being able to specialize making being high in one thing a rarer thing and therefore having more value from crafters.

Shame that crafting still isn't a huge part of the game.

Why lose anything at all I agree, just like they tried to do with the relics to force you to level one character only. I don't like just playing one character I like to do all the jobs.

I was unhappy with the cap initially as well, but seeing the system that they designed I don't feel that more than 2 or 3 classes capable of desynthing are needed. CUL aside, only the objects you can desynth are different, not so much the results. Sure there are primal weapons/ accessories to think about, but given the gil sink that desynthing is, I'm glad that my GSM can get most everything out of this system and perhaps I'll level BSM in desynthing as well. The only hurdle imposed by the restriction is that you can't desynth EVERY item you come across. You have to plan accordingly. This is most relevant with primal weapons, which I suppose is a huge sticking point for some, but I personally have little interest in that.

It's just sort of irritating when you're lv80+ in a desynth skill, and levelling a second skill causes it to slowly drop 0.01 0.01 0.01... Not much, but post-lv70 desynthing skill is expensive.

Yes you do lose points when leveling another desynth up. There is a RNG chance at losing points. It doesn't make any sense because they give you 300 points to work with. They should just offer a reset to certain crafts once you hit the 300 cap.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Yes you do lose points when leveling another desynth up. There is a RNG chance at losing points. It doesn't make any sense because they give you 300 points to work with. They should just offer a reset to certain crafts once you hit the 300 cap.

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I agree it makes no sense. I wonder if their intent was to prevent players from keeping level 100 on multiple classes. The way it stands if you get to 100 (which is ridiculous enough) doing any desynthing on another class could drop you to 99.99, which will give you the same success rate that you'd have at 99.00 next time you desynth with that class. Sure it can be made up with a single successful desynth, but you'll be missing 1.5% success rate on that desynth (and perhaps some hidden benefits).

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Originally Posted by ZephyrAM

It's specialization, and yes, if you really care to compare it to real life, someone that spends time on one skill 'will' slowly lose skill at other things. A carpenter who switches careers to construction work and later goes back to carpentry isn't going to be as good at it as they were when they left.

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Tell that to Leonardi Da Vinci who was an Italian Renaissance polymath: painter, sculptor, architect, musician, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist, and writer.
He didn't suddenly get bad at painting, just cause he was doing math and writing.
And it doesn't make sense anyway, unles you de-level DoW/M/H/L classes/jobs, also.
You can only take it to 100 for one class, you can cap max 3, cause you get 300 pts.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

You can only take it to 100 for one class, you can cap max 3, cause you get 300 pts.

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You can only cap 2, each class starts at 1 and is subtracted from the 300 total.

The cap is stupid. I want to be able to do everything.

I do agree that the cap is stupid. However, I do believe it is probably just there for now, and will probably be patched out of the game at some point, if there's enough demand for it.

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Originally Posted by JustPlainLucas

Why did you let us master each crafting job (and battle job as well) if you cap our desynthing?

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Possibly because they saw the effects of what happens when they allowed everyone to master each crafting job. Which is that everyone who cares about crafting maxes them all out easily and everyone ends up having the same skill set as everyone else. Not everyone finds it interesting when every crafter on the server ends up being exactly the same.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

You can only cap 2, each class starts at 1 and is subtracted from the 300 total.

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Yes and no ... of course if you have all DoH at 30+ (usually 50) then you're missing 5 points in total so in theory you can reach only 295 on three you've decided to level up desynth on. If the other classes will be unable to drop bellow 1 you're indeed stuck at 295. However if you'd have only 3 DoH classes at 30+ and all other bellow 30 (loosing thus many crossclass abilities) you can in theory reach 300 so most logical solution would be to level up 2 most usefull desynths on your main and then other 3 (plus another 3 if you feel like) on your alt(s) while keeping any other "unwanted" classes bellow 30 there (or not level them at all if you don't care about crossclass skills, after all you can craft anything you need for leveling on your main anyway). Indeed there is an issue with passing items and gil between alts plus no option to pass bonded or untradable items but it's still better than nothing if you really really want to max desynth on all classes.

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Originally Posted by Danbo05

I do agree that the cap is stupid. However, I do believe it is probably just there for now, and will probably be patched out of the game at some point, if there's enough demand for it.

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I quite doubt that it would be changed - it was clearly stated fairly early that you'd not be able to level up / max out all classes on desynth, originally it even looked like it would be possible on only one so I'd say that (almost) three is quite acceptable compromiss. If you really want / "need" them all see my comment above.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

The cap is stupid. I want to be able to do everything.

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But you can do everything. The points are plastic to whatever class you want to desyth on.

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Originally Posted by HEC

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Now, were talking about theories vs. what can actually be done. The points pool is separate from the crafting exp and level pool.


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Originally Posted by Moqi

Let's not pretend you don't know what I mean. It's petty.

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The same can could be said about such an exaggerated statement, when you can do everything. It's not like the points are static, and once you make a decision, that's it. You've been given flexibility with this.

With that said, I'm not against having the ability to cap everything at 100 (which I understand as your meaning); I just don't think it's necessary, which you or anyone is welcome to disagree with.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

But you can do everything. The points are plastic to whatever class you want to desyth on.

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Let's not pretend you don't know what I mean. It's petty.

I have only started to dabble in desynthesys. I assume that people want to be able to desynth cloth, leather, metal items, ergo the need for more than 1 at max level. However, desynthesys is only good for going after the elusive Master Demimateria and some lesser grades for crafting some items.
So, I have to ask, if the demimateria is the only thing one is going for, why not just level 1 job to 100, get the Master Demimateria required to get the tools and be done with it? There may be something I am missing, so please enlighten me.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrAM

It's specialization, and yes, if you really care to compare it to real life, someone that spends time on one skill 'will' slowly lose skill at other things. A carpenter who switches careers to construction work and later goes back to carpentry isn't going to be as good at it as they were when they left.

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Yeah. For the first few projects. But they can get back in the saddle fairly quickly. Skillsets are a lot like riding bikes. IRL, don't let the fear of 'loosing' your skill prevent you from pursuing new things.

I don't like not being able to enjoy every element from an MMO, but you can change your specialty. It just takes a bit of work.

the only reason the cap sucks is because they haven't capped stuff before i'd be ok if they had capped crafting but for us to have a 50 in every class only for us to only beable to max 3 desycn class is just dumb considering i cant trade my primal weaps to someone to desycn it *inb4 u can*

I'm not a huge fan of the system, but I understand why it exists in this form and since I'm used to FFXI's crafting system where you can only truly master a few crafts, I don't really mind too much.

It gives more meaning to individualization rather than trying to be a master of everything at once. Surely being able to stand out from the crowd should be encouraged, not avoided.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

It gives more meaning to individualization rather than trying to be a master of everything at once. Surely being able to stand out from the crowd should be encouraged, not avoided.

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Why? It's not like crafting serves any practical point.

At its core, this system really only functions as a time sink.

1 star fish are giving me 0.02exp at lv74.x

WHY

The cap is lame and goes against the design of the game. The whole idea of a class/job system is that you can choose any class/job you want.

Imagine if they did this for DoW/M. If for one aspect, they made you choose. There would be an uproar.

For some reason its fine if they do it to DoH.

I don't want to continue down this road any further.

all of this did begin with the 2.2 and it continue with this...
on one side we do have FF14:ARR 2.0, where we was able to do whatever we want, max any class we want. playing what we want, when we want.
and suddenly on the other side we do have the stuff added that force you to specialize your character more and more. the time sink is insane for every aspect added recently. it's like they do forget that we do have the class/jobs system.

why? i dunno, maybe they want to make people that only want play one class to feel rewarded.... or maybe they have have forget that we are in FF14 not FF11-2... or even if they have forget that grind is not fun and that we pay for have fun!
all i see it's an artificial way to increase the life of the game and make sure Hardcore gamer have stuff to do. god, they don't even reach the 10% of the community.... that...silly! make all this adjustement for make sure people with tons of hours of play have stuff to do. when from start it's not normal to spend more of 4 hours per day on the game.

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Originally Posted by Kaaylryn

I have only started to dabble in desynthesys.---There may be something I am missing, so please enlighten me.

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You're correct that basic clear, field and battle demis could be obtained from any class (except CUL which produce only clear ones) and having only one or two maxed or at least leveled to high 90 will give you access to new recipies and tools however the main point of specific classes are unique items received from high level desynths like swimsuits from CUL and so on ...

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Originally Posted by JustPlainLucas

Please, fix this. Stop making this game feel so much like WORK!

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New to mmorgps eh? Let me guess. Wow was your first? If it feels like work, your in the wrong genre. It's not a game it's an Mmorpg. A hobby. If you want to play games, avoid mmorpgs. They're a lifestyle. They take a time investment. People don't play them to get a high score and swing epeen, they play them because they like the very things your complaining about.

Finally, not sure what self entitled world you live in but the developers design the game, not you. You either play it and like it - play it and deal with it - or don't.

To be honest, developers allowing players to have a say is exactly when the genre went to hell. #looksatblizzard

EDIT - ok so the character limit is a senseless joke, but we will cope. Including the post you quote now... That's just plain stupid.

I have two desynth skills almost 90 and another around 65. Your off skill only goes down by .01 and it isn't even every time you desynth something.

Also, there is a theory about skill locking which involves rotating your desynths. ie desynth GSM>BSM>CUL>GSM... Apparently, your last three skills won't lower if it's done like this.

You guys know that you can lock your high level desync jobs and prevent it from de-leveling by intentionally desync junk of that class every now and then right?