Warriors of Light question. Explanation needed.

Okay, so as per the dialogue in this game, the warriors of light. noone can remember their faces, they are a vague memory. But, we're the warrior of light?

Can someone please explain something that's been bugging me since i got this on release for PS3:

In the game's initial cutscene, we see the battle with bahamut, and those people being teleported by.. i think that's Louisoux (sp)?

We see them vanish, and then reappear somewhere else, which must be in Eorzea, because we see the burning bridge when they are riding chocobos.

Please let me know what's going on here. I have no idea. Do they still exist, and are on their way back? I really want to know this lol.

They still exist the ones before. They just aren't remembered. People who are legacy members are warriors of light who came before. As for us.. People who are new to Ffxiv (non legacy) we are also a warrior of light. There is no set defined amount of warriors.

To add to this one of the earliest cutscenes shows Hydaelyn surrounded by many warriors orbiting around her light.

A Warrior of Light is anyone who is touched by Hydaelyn (the Mothercrystal) and has taken it upon his/herself to defend the peace in Eorzea.

The term itself is somewhat ambiguous, but originally, it referred to the adventurers who fought at the Battle of Carteneau. Gameplay wise these were a certain group of version 1.0 players, specifically, those who passed a certain point in 1.0's storyline, namely, destroying the Lunar Transmitter. During the battle this small group of adventurers was displaced in time into the Void by Louisoix in a last ditch, 'fling a light into the future' effort to save Eorzea (this was what was shown in the 'End of an Era/A New Beginning' trailer).

When these adventurers returned, five years had passed (the start of ARR), and for reasons not entirelly explained, immediately after the battle, a sort of selective amnesia had descended across the survivors who remained behind, who were able to remember that there had been adventurers who helped defend Eorzea, but for some reason they could not remember their names specifically, nor remember their faces - it was if their memories of these adventurers were obscured by a bright light. Hence they were termed 'the Warriors of Light'.

Ultimately, both the original Warriors of Light, those other adventurers from before the Calamity who survived, and new adventurers who have just begun to take 'the Path', all become the Warriors of Light by the end of the 2.0 storyline. Minfilia even states this, that it's not what you might have done in the past that's important, but what you have done in the present which is what ultimately counts, and that their achievements throughout the main scenario have begun to remind others of the original Warriors of Light. By the end, this is attained because the player was given the Echo by the Mothercrystal, the player is therefore her 'champion' in a way (having succeeded in gathering the Crystals of Light), and because of this, all player characters ultimately become a Warrior of Light.

And yes, from the perspective of a version 1.0 player who satisfied the requirements, the world does end up remembering their identity in the ending, but from the perspective of a new player character, the 'original' Warriors of Light never returned as far as they're aware. Essentially they just become an ideal for adventurers to aspire to be like, which ultimately the player achieves themselves. A certain line from Answers actually sums this up nicely: "Look to those who walked before, to lead those who walk after." ;)

A long time ago, in a thread far, far in the archives, I wrote a very detailed explanation of ... Oh. What Enkidoh said.

A Warrior of Light is a L50 Warrior in Labyrinth of the Ancients gear.

Ahh, that clears things up a bit. Thanks guys.

I would still love it if at some future expansion we do actually meet/interact with these original Warriors of Carteneau. Shrug, time shall tell, i'll probably be left wanting, but meh lol.

Thanks for the time taken to explain this :)

-edit- I realise from reading this again, technically all the players who were 1.0 are the original warriors of light, but i meant more in the sense of meeting those guys from the cutscene xD

In the cutscene for the Battle of Carteneau, Merlwyb says to support (or something similar) "The Foreign Levy".

Is that the Adventurers?

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Originally Posted by Wadoka

"The Foreign Levy". Is that the Adventurers?

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Yeah, each Grand Company has a division of adventurers that retain more freedom than most of the enlisted. For the Maelstrom, this is the Foreign Levy. In the Adders, it's the Yellow Serpents. In the Flames, it's the Free Brigade (part of the Foreign Brigade, which also contains the Ala Mhigan Brigade).

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Yeah, each Grand Company has a division of adventurers that retain more freedom than most of the enlisted. For the Maelstrom, this is the Foreign Levy. In the Adders, it's the Yellow Serpents. In the Flames, it's the Free Brigade (part of the Foreign Brigade, which also contains the Ala Mhigan Brigade).

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Does that make us (The player characters) The Light Brigade?

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Originally Posted by Divine_Intervention

-edit- I realise from reading this again, technically all the players who were 1.0 are the original warriors of light, but i meant more in the sense of meeting those guys from the cutscene xD

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Actually the party in the video is just a representation of us players. So they will never be actual NPCs which is why they have no names.

So yea Original Warriors of Light are just us 1.0 players, but like was explained above at this point we all are Warriors of Light ^_^b

Ahh right. It makes a somewhat convoluted sense now. Man, it's a shame to start a game with half a story (Didn't even hear about 1.0 till I started using the forums, i thought this was a standalone after an earlier failed game lmao). Would be pretty cool if for us 2.0 Warriors of Light, we got some sort of explanation of things in-game. That scene with the adventurer floatin' in front of Cid giving him goggles and stuff... confusiiiiing, but probably understood by people who were around for 1.0 :D.

Or better yet, give me an offline version of the story for 1.0 i can play through, or even some sorta dvd of the important stories xD I'd buy that!

Well, in a general way, 1.0's story went: (Gridania) Show up, beat up some dogs, tree attempts to murder you, you find out that because you were in the wrong place at the right time the trees blame you for murdering the tree trying to murder you, so you go to a party. After the party some things happen and this leads to you talking to a teenage girl in furry pants and getting a sassy friend, discovering the invasion of the Garlic nation and some stuff involving angry old religious leaders. Then you blow up the moon and Bahamut gatecrashes so Lou sends everyone into the vortex.

I think there's a few videos on YouTube of all of that, too.

Well... old Lou certainly over-reacted with that back to the future move then didn't he. :D

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Originally Posted by Divine_Intervention

Well... old Lou certainly over-reacted with that back to the future move then didn't he. :D

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If you're interested in getting a detailed version of what we played in 1.0, there's a video that came with the collectors edition of the game. Shows from beginning to end of pretty much what we went through. I bet you could find it if you are really curious ^_^b

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Does that make us (The player characters) The Light Brigade?

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Oh dear.

/10char

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Originally Posted by Gemma

If you're interested in getting a detailed version of what we played in 1.0, there's a video that came with the collectors edition of the game. Shows from beginning to end of pretty much what we went through. I bet you could find it if you are really curious ^_^b

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Except that video didn't really show all of 1.0's backstory - it kind of skipped over the original starting nation quests and the whole Path of the Twelve storyline to just jump quickly into the Dalamud/7th Umbral Era storyline - possibly because the original starting nation story/Path storyline was being specifically rewritten for ARR and hence potentially could be spoiled if it was shown in that video, despite the major changes/retcons to them in ARR, where as the 7th Umbral Era story was always going to be a 'once off' - never to be repeated.

If you're interested in what the original starting nation storylines and the Path of the Twelve storyline was like, there are plenty of videos of those quests on Youtube and other places to view.

There was a fan theory many months ago that the warrior(s) of light from 1.0 soul/whatever came to possess our adventurer. Of course it's better explained by those people.

Hi,

I also have one question on this topic for RP purposes :)

Let's assume that :
5 years back, before carteneau battle, a son of a family said to his family that he will go to the battle;
he is going to the battle and he becomes a warrior of light;
What happens to his family ? based on the story, people are not able to see the face of warriors of light and people forgot if they were warriors of light and came back after 5 years.
=> did his family forgot him ? thought he is dead in a way ? what happens if they see him again ?

Does anyone has any idea ? :p

Thanks !

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Originally Posted by Shoupsy

=> did his family forgot him ? thought he is dead in a way ? what happens if they see him again ?

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I can see several scenarios with this.

• The child would not only forgotten by his parent's. but by every one outside of his best friends. It would be as if he didn't exist. He might get replaced by a similar child in their memories
• They would still remember him, but would have very fuzzy memories about cartenau
• The timeline gets changed somehow so that those that know the guy would somehow be dead or otherwise incapacitated (And this would be done by the Asceans because so far I can't see Hydealyn being that dickish, and also because villains usually kick off doomed hometown plots)
• If they see him again they would feel compelled to avoid the guy...and think he was crazy.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

The child would not only forgotten by his parent's. but by every one outside of his best friends. It would be as if he didn't exist. He might get replaced by a similar child in their memories

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Why, outside of his best friends? No one remembered us but Cid, and that's because he lost his memories, then regained it.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

The timeline gets changed somehow so that those that know the guy would somehow be dead or otherwise incapacitated (And this would be done by the Asceans because so far I can't see Hydealyn being that dickish, and also because villains usually kick off doomed hometown plots)

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Huh? Nothing in what happened shows any of this is possible. We had a family (duh), and a bunch of people we met before 2.0 are still alive and well.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

If they see him again they would feel compelled to avoid the guy...and think he was crazy.

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Same as before.


The most likely scenario is its family would remember having a child/siblings etc, that he was at Carteneau, but wouldn't remember exactly who he was / looks like. Just like every other NPC in game.

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There was a fan theory many months ago that the warrior(s) of light from 1.0 soul/whatever came to possess our adventurer. Of course it's better explained by those people.

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But it's explicitly stated to all of the players with the legacy route in 2.0's story that they are the original warriors of light. At least two key NPCs confirm it, and several others imply it.

To be fair, if you are a non legacy player (like me) several NPC compare you with the original warriors of light, and some start to wonder whether you are one.

This leads to expressions like "you are just like..." "I wonder if you could be..." "you remind me of...".
In most cases this would imply that you are a warrior of light. In most rpgs if someone wonders whether you are The Chosen One, you are The Chosen One.
ARR is special in the sense that 1.0 existed, so there really are original warriors of light.

Long story short, even if you are a non-legacy player NPCs start implying that you may be a warrior of light, when you are really not.
And then they declare you to be a new warrior of light in the end for your achievements in the present (see the post made by Enkidoh for a proper explanation).

Thanks everyone for your answers, that's mostly what I was thinking about. So now I will be able to start my RP considering those info ;)

Cid recalls a memory while on the specially retrofitted airship to cross into the vortex that you gave him something and that you are a Warrior of Light.

It was so strange to me me that my character just looked at him and nodded lol.

I think that cutscene is intended as where Cid 'remembers' you.

But if you are a non-legacy player it is a bit strange, because you only met not to long ago.

I believe it's actually you using the echo to help Cid regain his memories. You basically give him the goggles so he can see clearly into his past.

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Cid recalls a memory while on the specially retrofitted airship to cross into the vortex that you gave him something and that you are a Warrior of Light.

It was so strange to me me that my character just looked at him and nodded lol.

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Exactly. I got really confused at that cutscene. Thought it was meant for legacy player only. :)

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Originally Posted by gornotck

Well, in a general way, 1.0's story went: (Gridania) Show up, beat up some dogs, tree attempts to murder you, you find out that because you were in the wrong place at the right time the trees blame you for murdering the tree trying to murder you, so you go to a party. After the party some things happen and this leads to you talking to a teenage girl in furry pants and getting a sassy friend, discovering the invasion of the Garlic nation and some stuff involving angry old religious leaders. Then you blow up the moon and Bahamut gatecrashes so Lou sends everyone into the vortex.

I think there's a few videos on YouTube of all of that, too.

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This has to be one of the best posts I've seen all day. Here is one point of internets, sir.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

The term itself is somewhat ambiguous, but originally, it referred to the adventurers who fought at the Battle of Carteneau. Gameplay wise these were a certain group of version 1.0 players, specifically, those who passed a certain point in 1.0's storyline, namely, destroying the Lunar Transmitter.

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That's one possible interpretation, but it's not all that cut and dried. There are some references that could be interpreted as meaning that all our characters, whether legacy or not, were in fact those Warriors of Light that fought at the Battle of Carteneau.

It was five years ago, and our characters are all adults, so clearly they all lived through the Calamity, and yet new players need it explained to them, so our characters are said to have lost their memory of the event. This is what's used to justify a lot of the early game exposition, and it also references the fact that this is connected to how everyone forgot who the Warriors of Light were. So while never explicitly stated, it's strongly implied that for our characters to remember their own part in the events surrounding the Calamity would be equivalent to remembering the Warriors of Light (because that was their part in those events).

So while some players played through that portion of the storyline and some didn't, the characters themselves could be thought of as having been there regardless. The difference lies simply in whether it was a playable part of the game, or just part of the backstory. The whole Calamity and everything surrounding it has become backstory in ARR.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

That's one possible interpretation, but it's not all that cut and dried. There are some references that could be interpreted as meaning that all our characters, whether legacy or not, were in fact those Warriors of Light that fought at the Battle of Carteneau.

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This is what I think. Kind of how the story starts in three separate scenarios depending on what city state you chose, 2.0's story has a similar scenario where there are three separate storylines depending on if you completed 1.0, played 1.0 without completion, or are new to xiv entirely. Even though there are many players in the game while you're playing it is YOUR story and everyone else are just "adventurers". At the conclusion of 2.0's main story it can be assumed that the stories merged together effectively making you out to be a warrior of light, regardless of your starting point.

The way NPCs use the term is to identify those who were touched by Hydaelin and live up to their destiny. Even though Hydaelin's existence is largely unknown to them.