F/M armors

Do you think one day we will be able to see some armor sets for males and females?

Why SE seems to believe that jobs like Bard, Mages should be played by females characters and jobs like Tank by males characters?

Why SE doesn't create some specific sets for both gender? Ok now we can use the glamour system but in my opinion it's not a reason for being so lazy.

We have already no differences on certain sets between PLD/WAR, DPS, WHM/SCH, BLM/SMN and no differences between gender.... it looks like a little cheap for a PTP don't you think?

I met a Roegadyn who was wearing the CT2 healer armor....are you serious?

http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/16/03/46/37/healer10.jpg

Some random pics about genders armors in Aion (i'm not talking about the design) :


http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/16/03/46/37/bard10.jpg

http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/16/03/46/37/chain10.jpg

http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/16/03/46/37/gunner10.jpg

http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/16/03/46/37/gunner11.jpg

http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/16/03/46/37/leathe10.jpg

http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/16/03/46/37/mages10.jpg

http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/16/03/46/37/plate10.jpg

http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/16/03/46/37/plate210.jpg

There are some pieces of gear that are gender-varied/gender-locked (Coliseum gear, swimsuits, and dresses come to mind), but for the most part, the way it is now, I like the fact that those pieces of gear aren't commonplace. I had a good friend when I was on Cactaur back in 2.0 who plays a Paladin. When I first saw her in full AF2, I thought she looked absolutely badass, and AF2 gear didn't have a different gender model for females. It just seemed so much better to see than something that showed off a bunch of cleavage or leg.

As for your examples, if you notice, every female set of armor is a lot more form-fitting than the male armor and, in most of them, there is a LOT more skin showing. I mean, why should a woman be forced to wear a different style of armor if they don't want to?

All I know is, the way FFXIV: ARR's gear appearances are structured, this game has gotten a LOT of praise for gender equality in armor and I think that, if these changes were implemented, that would throw all of that away.

I mean, we have a glamour system now. If women want to dress scantily, there are glamours for that. I don't want to see women have differently-modeled armor from men. In a way, it just seems like some kind of gender segregation and I really don't think that's gonna help anyone.

Totally and completely agree with this post!

WOW, those art pics of the armor you posted are AMAZING. I love all of them.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

As for your examples, if you notice, every female set of armor is a lot more form-fitting than the male armor and, in most of them, there is a LOT more skin showing. I mean, why should a woman be forced to wear a different style of armor if they don't want to?
All I know is, the way FFXIV: ARR's gear appearances are structured, this game has gotten a LOT of praise for gender equality in armor and I think that, if these changes were implemented, that would throw all of that away.

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I disagree with the 'every female set of armour is a lot more form-fitting than the male armour' ... I think what the males are wearing in these screenshots look fantastic. It looks extremely fitting in my opinion, and there's hints of brilliance. Of course, that's my opinion and it's subjective. However, I can't help but wonder what the gender counterparts of some gear would have looked like if FFXIV initially went down this route.

Oh I remember the gear in Aion. The pictures looked really awesome but when you got the piece of gear and wore it; it made you go "what the heck is this noise. . ." cause it looked stupid on guy characters and always looked amazing like in the pictures for female counterparts. Same can be said about TERA too.

I like the way it is now, cause if a see a female character wearing a piece of armor that I think looks awesome, I know it can look just as awesome on a guy character.

I love how XIV and XI before it does it currently. its equality. i'd be fine with a few of the armors being different. but the CT2 armor is cosplay armor. it wouldent make since if you *didint* wear Scylla's clothing...when wearing scyllas clothing ;p..

but for things like BRD,MNK,ect. ..its a uniform. all monks wear said uniform and all brds do. with the exception of small changes (which seem to mainly be undershirts/underarmor/shirts/skirts) they are the same.

One thing i reeeally hated about Aion was how every single female outfit absolutely needed high heels, it annoyed the crap out of me.

Yup, I was just saying the other day most other MMO games end game armors are vastly superior to this one. Anyway, totally agree.

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Originally Posted by Merylx

I disagree with the 'every female set of armour is a lot more form-fitting than the male armour' ...

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When I say "form-fitting", I mean physically. Like how spandex pants are more form-fitting than jeans. In every single example, the male armor is very comfortably fit and looks as though it's meant for function just as much as aesthetics. The female armor, for the most part, looks like it would bust seams if any of those women decided to do anything more than take shallow breaths, not to mention that, in a fair amount of the female gear, there's more skin showing than in the male variants and in just the right places to make certain types of men get extremely aroused, as if it were designed with that in mind.

Now, I'm a gay man, so I like to think I have a unique perspective here, but none of the male armor looks even remotely like it has any sex appeal whatsoever whereas the female gear practically reeks of it. That's my biggest complaint about this.

But aside from that, unless SE wants to make a "Sex Appeal" version of these armors completely separate of the originals, I don't think I would be okay with them taking armor styles in this kind of direction.

EDIT: Just gonna leave this here to show the future of FFXIV if the game adopts these ideas.

http://jilltxt.net/wp-content/upload...our-in-WoW.jpg

Lol

omg Scylla's robe on males totally makes them look like a turd

What is up with the bird beak looking thing in the middle?

Lol, someone in our FC said it looks like the males have one boob in the middle.....

Rotflmao

Honestly, I like the way the armor is in the game currently. It's very equal in terms of armor design.
I really like the fact that SE didn't decide to go the Chain Mail Bikini route for female armor. It's a refreshing change. HarukoDK put it very well in his posts. ^^

However, if they want to add different glamour options then I will not be against it. More options are, after all, a good thing. I just don't want the 'Chain Mail Bikini' type armor to be the norm.

There are a few possible reasons for a smaller gear design pool than other mmorpgs:
1. More designs need more people working on them rather than an instance or anything that needs to be textured. 5 races 2 genders is 10 designs for every piece of shared gear.
2. If you have 1 design for both genders its easier to figure out what gear they're wearing and around what level they are without having to examine them. Useful in certain situations, but this idea is also more geared towards pvp based mmo games.
3. They may be trying to limit the amount of fan service available. While there are a number of revealing outfits for females and males alike it's a smaller number than most mmorpgs. Revealing gear tends to be a way to draw a larger, and usually more often male, user base, which is why a lot of F2P tend to have revealing outfits. It doesn't always hold true to that though, I mean TERA started out that way. Hard to say how much of a factor this is at the moment.

Who knows though?

I'd strangle a dolphin to get my WAR/DRG into some of that plate style!!!

For ST in particular I don't think they based it on what roles the classes should get male/female gear. All the sets are boss themed and as such make more sense to allocate the bosses theme to the a specified role.

I agree the caster stuff looks kinda goofy on a male, especially a Roe, but the idea is to dress up like the boss, and that (or Amon I suppose) was the best choice for casters.

I prefer the more unisex thing XIV has going on than large differences.
It's great that most of the skimpy stuff is skimpy on both sexes too.

And here I thought you were complaining because of that awful chest piece on male. I want to show off my children-like, nipple-less manboobs!

Those designs look good but they would be terrible in game. I actually want them to stop changing gear based on gender. If you're gonna make slutty gear, let us all be the sluts we were meant to be. The ST healher body looks awful on males right now.

I like the mostly consistent look of armor between genders/ races in this game. It seems like a lot of unnecessary work to design the same armor to be different on different characters when you could just as easily take those multiple designs and make them into multiple sets of armor. With the glamour system and more and more patches coming at least the problem of everyone looking the same is melting away.

Overall I like that most of the armor leans much more heavily toward realism than in a typical MMO. Of course we do have supernaturally glowing weapons, but at least we don't have mysteriously floating bits of armor that may of may not be perpetually on fire. Having females wear armor that affords them the same protection as the male counterpart is a sensible extension of this to me.

While Aion (I'm sure that is Aion) style armor has no place here, one can't deny that the armor doesn't lack the wow factor. I can appriciate their decision; their use of fantasy armor and the like is a strong suit and one somewhat missed in ffxiv. (All armor here has to also look functiomal, therefore they tend to come in predictable forms) not going to touch that female/male armor debate because frankly eff it.

I'd be okay with more armors that look different between male and female, I just don't want every set to end up overly-sexualized.

I just don't want my boobs spilling out or 90% of my skin showing for every outfit ever if they start doing this.

There's a lack of Elins in this thread

I actually find that Roeg to be rather FABULOUS.

I have to say that style actually is a big part of why I've played Japanese MMOs over Western/Korean MMOs. Maybe it's their reserved approach to equipment over how the others do it (as is beautifully illustrated in this thread). My biggest complaint is how it's not total equipment equality. In 1.# and even in 2.# I refuse to wear the White Mage culottes. In 1.# I had materia'd some pants (the culottes were replaceable anyway so no loss) and with glamour I have them 'replaced' with a spring skirt (and yes, I know what's under the spring skirt, unlike alot of robes it goes down to the feet so I don't mind). But sometimes when Square releases gender specific attire I get a little jealous at the male outfits. Like Snow's coat... T,T

To be honest I myself don't mind how it is. I see enough changes in both armors to tell which one is male and which one is female. I'd honestly perfer having the male Dragoon look over female though. I love having a giant gaping hole where my stomach is so people can see my bellybutton. >.> Also that picture is the funniest thing I've seen all morning. Just.. that Roe is standing there with that face is hilarious, I can't stop laughing. XD

My opinion is that armour for female characters can look sexy and functional. Nothing wrong with both. But if I can only have one. I want functional. (My propensity for replacing the trousers on my PLD with a glamoured skirt notwithstanding. The rest of her armour is perfectly fine.) Also, sexy doesn't have to mean "shows more skin than clothing" My Scholar is wearing the CT1 robe and her myth skirt and boots and she looks sexy IMO. Though cloth-wearing classes generally don't have the same issues as armoured ones.
I don't have an opinion on male gear, because I never play male characters anymore.
Lastly - Add more impractical, sexy and/or silly items as glamour. The people who want them will get them (well, assuming you don't hide them behind 3 star crafting walls), the people who don't won't. Case in point. I don't like Scylla's gear, I think it looks dumb on any character. If others like it and want to wear and show it off, fine with me.

The way I see it is they release gear in rotations. They release a set of badass looking gear and then a set of flamboyant gear. People have widely varying tastes and if they only released badass looking gear, such as what the vast majority of gear in Tera and Aion looks like, then there would be a group of people who never truly liked what their character looked like.

Personally I'm some what in the middle. I really like the badass looking gear, but I appreciate the flamboyant gear and with glamours I will occasionally run around with it for a day or so.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

There are some pieces of gear that are gender-varied/gender-locked (Coliseum gear, swimsuits, and dresses come to mind), but for the most part, the way it is now, I like the fact that those pieces of gear aren't commonplace. I had a good friend when I was on Cactaur back in 2.0 who plays a Paladin. When I first saw her in full AF2, I thought she looked absolutely badass, and AF2 gear didn't have a different gender model for females. It just seemed so much better to see than something that showed off a bunch of cleavage or leg.

As for your examples, if you notice, every female set of armor is a lot more form-fitting than the male armor and, in most of them, there is a LOT more skin showing. I mean, why should a woman be forced to wear a different style of armor if they don't want to?

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From reading your post, it looks more like you're worried that women are "forced" into certain clothing. At the same time, men are "forced" to wear certain gear too if we look at OP's examples. It comes of rather feministically while for men the same situation is going on in OP's example, except you did not mention it one time.

You talk about "force", yet this Roegadyn male is forced to wear a dress unless he wants to glamour to old gear used over and over again, but I guess you think that's just fine.

On topic.

Great great examples OP! Love it. I remember all those "I want my male to be able to wear a dress" topics. Seems like a bunch of people would like that. For their sake the glamour system should be free for all but atleast give us a choice when new gear gets implemented.

Again, this Roegadyn can glamour to something else. Sometimes you just want something new instead of glamouring to a design that has been seen and used over and over again. This leeds to another subject: why does SE keep re-using gear designs? Even going as far as cross-job gear design. Let's hope it's not because of choosing the easy route.

Personally, I think this looks badass, while still having a bit of a feminine look.

http://i.imgur.com/6aogMIe.jpg

They nailed the new tank armor from the expert dungeons.

I did glamour the skirt in, but thats it. I want to get the Elite Storm skirt eventually, its a tad longer.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Personally, I think this looks badass, while still having a bit of a feminine look.

http://i.imgur.com/6aogMIe.jpg

They nailed the new tank armor from the expert dungeons.

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Yes, this tank armor (FINALLY) looks so good. Unfortunately I don't really like it when every other tank uses the glamour too. I look to see different stuff.

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Originally Posted by Loki

I met a Roegadyn who was wearing the CT2 healer armor....are you serious?

http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/16/03/46/37/healer10.jpg

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I don't see what's wrong. He looks perfectly flamboyant.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

Yes, this tank armor (FINALLY) looks so good. Unfortunately I don't really like it when every other tank uses the glamour too. I look to see different stuff.

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I see more tanks with the Noct Lorica dyed than the Divine War set, but thats probably because its just as "new".

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There's a pretty distinct difference there, between gear that looks uniform across all classes and making a special design for one gender or another exclusively to improve or reduce sex appeal. Like I said before, if the Roe in OP's post actually volunteered to wear that, then clearly there is no problem. But there are glamours for other, more masculine pieces if that is a serious concern. However, if all endgame gear were to look differently on a female character vs. a male character, then that can be a very serious problem, especially when a female character would prefer to wear the male version or vice-versa.

I mean, maybe it's just me, but I think the only people who actually want gear to look different depending on gender are the same types of people who want a chance to oggle strangers who might not necessarily want to be oggled at.

...and SE hasn't re-used gear designs since 2.1. Everything from 2.2 onwards has been original designs.

I do agree with those sets. I mean each armor design takes time and development so maybe at some point SE would implement something like that. Currently right now, dresses and swimsuits, Darkhold gear are closes to what you're looking at.

I like how it is now. If you want to dress sexy, you can with both genders. I don't want to be locked to just dressing sexy or having very limited options if I don't want to. This doesn't just affect female characters though, it would affect male characters as well as they would only have fully clothed variants of gear and nothing sexy. I disapprove of both.

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I think you missed my "free for all" glamour part. If a female wants the male stuff, glamour it or vice versa. At least we'd have a choice. What "new" design whould you suggest this Roegadyn glamours it to since there has been tons of new sets since 2.1? xD

As for gear being re-used. They either re-use, cross-job-design gear, or have i90 PvP have the same gear as new i90 PvE gear. The list goes on and on.

I'm glad it its the way its is. While gear sets that are different for genders can be fun (I thought that the dancer af in XI was fantastic), I like the fact that the default tank armor for my pld makes her look like a tank. The principle that a tank is a tank and defaults to looking like a tank and a mage is a mage and defaults to looking like a mage regardless of gender is one of the things I really like in this game. When I feel like tanking in a mini skirt and a metal bikini I can glamour a mini skirt and metal bikini (which I have done sometimes). If I feel like healing in a metal bikini and armored boots I can do that also.

Why shouldn't a male Roegadyn playing a mage look like a mage? If a male character wants to look more macho then they can glamour it. I love all things glamour and love new designs for glamour, but SE releases a few new designs each patch, so eventually there will be tons of options. I hate the Daystar armor's appearance so my healers have been glamoured into Vanya's since I started using it, and probably will be until I get High Allagan. Other people I know love the Daystar set. People have different tastes. The glamour system exists to let people customize there appearance from the standards, the standards tend to be the same for everyone, unless there is some reason for it.

I'm all for having more options available through glamour, but I like the defaults the way they are.

they already adjust the armor for women & males.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

I think you missed my "free for all" glamour part. If a female wants the male stuff, glamour it or vice versa. At least we'd have a choice. What "new" design whould you suggest this Roegadyn glamours it to since there has been tons of new sets since 2.1? xD

As for gear being re-used. They either re-use, cross-job-design gear, or have i90 PvP have the same gear as new i90 PvE gear. The list goes on and on.

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I think there has been a misunderstanding here. This thread, to my understanding, is about making it so gear equipped to one gender has one appearance, and the exact same gear equipped to another gender has a completely different appearance. It has absolutely nothing to do with making new styles on new gear.

As for new glamours, let's start with the following sets:

2.2 WHM Gear

Pilgrim's Robe
Cashmere Robe of Healing
Weathered Daystar Robe*
High Allagan Coat of Healing*

2.25

Swansgrace Coat

2.3

Serpent Elite's Robe* / Storm Elite's Robe* / Flame Elite's Shawl* (Depending on which Grand Company you belong to.)
Robe of the Divine Harvest*

That's all of the chest gear released in the past two full patches that WHMs can wear that isn't "All Classes" or are direct upgrades of earlier gear which would completely justify a similar style(i.e. "Augmented" gear and gear that can be upgraded through use of Sands of Time). Not included is the Scylla's Robe of Healing, because that's what's being debated right now. The gear with the stars next to them are my personal recommendations for glamour, which is purely my own personal opinion.

The only piece of gear that I think would look similar to anything from the past is the Cashmere Robe of Healing, which looks similar to a robe dropped in Sastasha/Tam-Tara Deepcroft/Copperbell Mines. The only difference is that, because the Cashmere Robe is craftable, it is also dyable, justifying it as a design copy.

Wow... some of those armour sets look awesome. I wish we had sets like that in this game. D: I agree...almost all mage sets are made for females and almost all armour sets are for males. If they don't want to make two versions of each set, maybe they should take turns making sets for certain genders.

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I think we're on the same page with a slight different opinion regarding gear choices.

I already mentioned that gear is either cross-job or even cross-content. Like the Cashmere Robe of Healing which is just a copy paste of i90 PvP healer gear.

You can't glamour i100 to something higher, so high allagan is no option. Wheatered is an option, but with how Sands aren't that hard to get now.. Pilgrim's Robe is cross-job, FC gear is for all casters. Only the Swansgrace Coat is for WHM. What is it, rank 38 PvP? Takes a nice grind to get there, even with FL.

Just wanted to emphasize that when you look closely, the options are minimal. I just vouch for more options so we don't all end up looking the exact same. At least no cross job sets (why I love AF and the augmented option they gave us).

I wish we had more outfits that resemble some of those designs.

Some of the casting outfits are so awful in this game, I either look like a bloated pig or it just doesn't look good. I like stuff to fit on my character but not to show every inch of skin. I hope each patch they keep releasing more vanity. As for the gender differences, I'm kind of on both sides. Some things look bad on females and some things look bad on males.