F/M armors

[Loki]

Do you think one day we will be able to see some armor sets for males and females?

Why SE seems to believe that jobs like Bard, Mages should be played by females characters and jobs like Tank by males characters?

Why SE doesn't create some specific sets for both gender? Ok now we can use the glamour system but in my opinion it's not a reason for being so lazy.

We have already no differences on certain sets between PLD/WAR, DPS, WHM/SCH, BLM/SMN and no differences between gender.... it looks like a little cheap for a PTP don't you think?

I met a Roegadyn who was wearing the CT2 healer armor....are you serious?



Some random pics about genders armors in Aion (i'm not talking about the design) :

[HakuroDK]

There are some pieces of gear that are gender-varied/gender-locked (Coliseum gear, swimsuits, and dresses come to mind), but for the most part, the way it is now, I like the fact that those pieces of gear aren't commonplace. I had a good friend when I was on Cactaur back in 2.0 who plays a Paladin. When I first saw her in full AF2, I thought she looked absolutely badass, and AF2 gear didn't have a different gender model for females. It just seemed so much better to see than something that showed off a bunch of cleavage or leg.

As for your examples, if you notice, every female set of armor is a lot more form-fitting than the male armor and, in most of them, there is a LOT more skin showing. I mean, why should a woman be forced to wear a different style of armor if they don't want to?

All I know is, the way FFXIV: ARR's gear appearances are structured, this game has gotten a LOT of praise for gender equality in armor and I think that, if these changes were implemented, that would throw all of that away.

I mean, we have a glamour system now. If women want to dress scantily, there are glamours for that. I don't want to see women have differently-modeled armor from men. In a way, it just seems like some kind of gender segregation and I really don't think that's gonna help anyone.

[Merylx]

As for your examples, if you notice, every female set of armor is a lot more form-fitting than the male armor and, in most of them, there is a LOT more skin showing. I mean, why should a woman be forced to wear a different style of armor if they don't want to?
All I know is, the way FFXIV: ARR's gear appearances are structured, this game has gotten a LOT of praise for gender equality in armor and I think that, if these changes were implemented, that would throw all of that away.

I disagree with the 'every female set of armour is a lot more form-fitting than the male armour' ... I think what the males are wearing in these screenshots look fantastic. It looks extremely fitting in my opinion, and there's hints of brilliance. Of course, that's my opinion and it's subjective. However, I can't help but wonder what the gender counterparts of some gear would have looked like if FFXIV initially went down this route.

[HakuroDK]

I disagree with the 'every female set of armour is a lot more form-fitting than the male armour' ...

When I say "form-fitting", I mean physically. Like how spandex pants are more form-fitting than jeans. In every single example, the male armor is very comfortably fit and looks as though it's meant for function just as much as aesthetics. The female armor, for the most part, looks like it would bust seams if any of those women decided to do anything more than take shallow breaths, not to mention that, in a fair amount of the female gear, there's more skin showing than in the male variants and in just the right places to make certain types of men get extremely aroused, as if it were designed with that in mind.

Now, I'm a gay man, so I like to think I have a unique perspective here, but none of the male armor looks even remotely like it has any sex appeal whatsoever whereas the female gear practically reeks of it. That's my biggest complaint about this.

But aside from that, unless SE wants to make a "Sex Appeal" version of these armors completely separate of the originals, I don't think I would be okay with them taking armor styles in this kind of direction.

EDIT: Just gonna leave this here to show the future of FFXIV if the game adopts these ideas.

[abzoluut]

There are some pieces of gear that are gender-varied/gender-locked (Coliseum gear, swimsuits, and dresses come to mind), but for the most part, the way it is now, I like the fact that those pieces of gear aren't commonplace. I had a good friend when I was on Cactaur back in 2.0 who plays a Paladin. When I first saw her in full AF2, I thought she looked absolutely badass, and AF2 gear didn't have a different gender model for females. It just seemed so much better to see than something that showed off a bunch of cleavage or leg.

As for your examples, if you notice, every female set of armor is a lot more form-fitting than the male armor and, in most of them, there is a LOT more skin showing. I mean, why should a woman be forced to wear a different style of armor if they don't want to?

From reading your post, it looks more like you're worried that women are "forced" into certain clothing. At the same time, men are "forced" to wear certain gear too if we look at OP's examples. It comes of rather feministically while for men the same situation is going on in OP's example, except you did not mention it one time.

You talk about "force", yet this Roegadyn male is forced to wear a dress unless he wants to glamour to old gear used over and over again, but I guess you think that's just fine.

On topic.

Great great examples OP! Love it. I remember all those "I want my male to be able to wear a dress" topics. Seems like a bunch of people would like that. For their sake the glamour system should be free for all but atleast give us a choice when new gear gets implemented.

Again, this Roegadyn can glamour to something else. Sometimes you just want something new instead of glamouring to a design that has been seen and used over and over again. This leeds to another subject: why does SE keep re-using gear designs? Even going as far as cross-job gear design. Let's hope it's not because of choosing the easy route.

[HakuroDK]

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There's a pretty distinct difference there, between gear that looks uniform across all classes and making a special design for one gender or another exclusively to improve or reduce sex appeal. Like I said before, if the Roe in OP's post actually volunteered to wear that, then clearly there is no problem. But there are glamours for other, more masculine pieces if that is a serious concern. However, if all endgame gear were to look differently on a female character vs. a male character, then that can be a very serious problem, especially when a female character would prefer to wear the male version or vice-versa.

I mean, maybe it's just me, but I think the only people who actually want gear to look different depending on gender are the same types of people who want a chance to oggle strangers who might not necessarily want to be oggled at.

...and SE hasn't re-used gear designs since 2.1. Everything from 2.2 onwards has been original designs.

[abzoluut]

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I think you missed my "free for all" glamour part. If a female wants the male stuff, glamour it or vice versa. At least we'd have a choice. What "new" design whould you suggest this Roegadyn glamours it to since there has been tons of new sets since 2.1? xD

As for gear being re-used. They either re-use, cross-job-design gear, or have i90 PvP have the same gear as new i90 PvE gear. The list goes on and on.

[HakuroDK]

I think you missed my "free for all" glamour part. If a female wants the male stuff, glamour it or vice versa. At least we'd have a choice. What "new" design whould you suggest this Roegadyn glamours it to since there has been tons of new sets since 2.1? xD

As for gear being re-used. They either re-use, cross-job-design gear, or have i90 PvP have the same gear as new i90 PvE gear. The list goes on and on.

I think there has been a misunderstanding here. This thread, to my understanding, is about making it so gear equipped to one gender has one appearance, and the exact same gear equipped to another gender has a completely different appearance. It has absolutely nothing to do with making new styles on new gear.

As for new glamours, let's start with the following sets:

2.2 WHM Gear

Pilgrim's Robe
Cashmere Robe of Healing
Weathered Daystar Robe*
High Allagan Coat of Healing*

2.25

Swansgrace Coat

2.3

Serpent Elite's Robe* / Storm Elite's Robe* / Flame Elite's Shawl* (Depending on which Grand Company you belong to.)
Robe of the Divine Harvest*

That's all of the chest gear released in the past two full patches that WHMs can wear that isn't "All Classes" or are direct upgrades of earlier gear which would completely justify a similar style(i.e. "Augmented" gear and gear that can be upgraded through use of Sands of Time). Not included is the Scylla's Robe of Healing, because that's what's being debated right now. The gear with the stars next to them are my personal recommendations for glamour, which is purely my own personal opinion.

The only piece of gear that I think would look similar to anything from the past is the Cashmere Robe of Healing, which looks similar to a robe dropped in Sastasha/Tam-Tara Deepcroft/Copperbell Mines. The only difference is that, because the Cashmere Robe is craftable, it is also dyable, justifying it as a design copy.

[Khary]

Totally and completely agree with this post!