Status Effect Bar

So I play on a 14in laptop, and this can cause some issues when trying to fit everything into my hud and be readable. However from players I have talked to this seems like it would benefit everyone. Could we please separate the buff and debuff bar? On my screen I either have to have the buff/debuff bar so large it takes up a huge amount of space and blocks other things, or so small all I can see is that I have symbols and would have to actually look at them instead of using my peripheral vision.

Is there a reason why we can't seperate the 2 bars? It would be much more convenient for these not to be connected. I would like to be able to see both my buffs and debuffs and this is the 1 part of the HUd that's extremely restrictive. If you keep it the same maybe fix the way it scales? The box /space it takes up double but the symbols only get a little bigger, and way less resolution.

So very much seconded. And while we're at it, how about an option for your buffs/debuffs on target to be larger? It's a little difficult to keep track of MY effects on a target without turning on the thing that shows only your debuffs... which I have to then turn back off again when healing since it doesn't show debuffs on friendly players.

Greetings,

Minagawa made a post concerning this topic recently that I would love to share with everyone.

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi_Minagawa

We are planning to implement options to the configuration settings to change the way buffs and debuffs are displayed in the HUD. (We’re planning to implement methods that do not affect display stress much, such as buff/debuff left align or center align.)

As for the implementation timing, this feature has an average prioritization rank, and we plan on implementing it at the earliest in patch 2.38. If other tasks take more priority then it may be after 2.4.

■Separated buff and debuff display

In order to make it so that the display UI’s stress would not increase more than it is currently, we would have to optimize the current process speeds and create space as the separated display would cause an increase in stress and memory. As we do not currently have the margin for this, we cannot address it.

As there is no guarantee that we can achieve the target value for the required memory and speed, it’s difficult for me to promise that we can address this. I apologize.

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Originally Posted by Ysabeau

So very much seconded. And while we're at it, how about an option for your buffs/debuffs on target to be larger? It's a little difficult to keep track of MY effects on a target without turning on the thing that shows only your debuffs... which I have to then turn back off again when healing since it doesn't show debuffs on friendly players.

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I didn't know you could turn them off, much less that it affects party members as well. I would just like for the duration text color of enemy status effects to be different, I know they currently are, but from a distance the green/white contrast is not particularly easy to notice. Throws me off on SMN sometimes when there is another SMN or SCH dotting things up, have to look extra hard to make sure that is/isn't my dot. That's mostly a QOL thing, though.

That's unfortunate about the seperate display. Was going to ask if we could have a seperate bar for our dots too since I couldn't care less about what dots of 7 other people are on the boss too.

Again a memory issue though. It's conspicious how compared to other MMO's, simple things aren't available due to memory issues.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I didn't know you could turn them off, much less that it affects party members as well. I would just like for the duration text color of enemy status effects to be different, I know they currently are, but from a distance the green/white contrast is not particularly easy to notice. Throws me off on SMN sometimes when there is another SMN or SCH dotting things up, have to look extra hard to make sure that is/isn't my dot. That's mostly a QOL thing, though.

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I'm not online so i can't exactly test this but are you dots not shown first in line? Then again (as I was typing i realized this) if its just you and another smn throwing out dots and nothing else is on the target i can see how it could be confusing.

Since something is coming, would it be possible to show your debuffs first on a focus target [because it's super random now]? The number of displayed debuff is already really limited, being able to track your DoTs on a FT would really help. Thanks.

PS3 Limitations much?

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

That's unfortunate about the seperate display. Was going to ask if we could have a seperate bar for our dots too since I couldn't care less about what dots of 7 other people are on the boss too.

Again a memory issue though. It's conspicious how compared to other MMO's, simple things aren't available due to memory issues.

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This isnt a server memory issue, this is hardware memory issue, yes its a PS3 limitation, UI uses memory from the hardware, games with bad memory leaks do occur like Ive seen in a mmo before, when hiding the whole UI, you get 15-20 FPS more, I kid you not.
Im wondering more and more if addons will ever get released while the PS3 version is still supported, addons uses extra memory, if they cant get more from their own UI, then this is really damning.

What would be really nice is if we could specify the maximum number of debuffs we want to see on our target in the HUD. I NEVER want to see the second row of debuffs ever. 1 row of debuffs is enough to show me my debuffs and any buffs the target currently has. The rest of the displayed debuffs is superfluous and not really necessary.

Under normal circumstances, I can use the space where the second row of debuffs go to put some other HUD element there (such as my own buffs) because this space is never used. However, in certain circumstances (S hunts or during crystal tower) the target gets so many debuffs and I can no longer see whatever was in the second row.

Please let us choose to limit the number of debuffs to a much lower value if we wish to.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

as the separated display would cause an increase in stress and memory

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Well it's a good thing we play on PCs and PS4s with 3gb+ of available memory to play with that already run the game at 1080p/60fps, right?

They seem to have had no issue giving us full inventory display when the PS3 couldn't.

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Originally Posted by Kaisha

Well it's a good thing we play on PCs and PS4s with 3gb+ of available memory to play with that already run the game at 1080p/60fps, right?

They seem to have had no issue giving us full inventory display when the PS3 couldn't.

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They also need to stay within the parameters of the minimum system requirements for PCs. The earliest they'd do anything that affects min. system reqs. would be the expansion since bumping up the minimums on a released product could constitute false advertising (imagine picking up a boxed version at Best Buy, installing it at home, and finding out that an update increased the minimums beyond your PC's specs) but an expansion is its own entity. The first expansion is also as far out as they've committed to the PS3 version.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Greetings,

Minagawa made a post concerning this topic recently that I would love to share with everyone.

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This could be easily fixed by community with add-ons. When will you implement add-on API support in the game?

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

That's unfortunate about the seperate display. Was going to ask if we could have a seperate bar for our dots too since I couldn't care less about what dots of 7 other people are on the boss too.

Again a memory issue though. It's conspicious how compared to other MMO's, simple things aren't available due to memory issues.

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The developers are taking a wrong approach to this situation. Instead of implementing obvious improvements on PC (and possibly PS4), they suffocate development for the sake of PS3 version. Before game's launch producer Yoshida was promising 1) addon support 6 months after release 2) to drop PS3 support if it turns out it holds back game development 3) to develop game primarily on PC and implement features back into consoles whenever possible 4) to incorporate the most popular functionalities from add-ons into the game so that console players can benefit from them as well.


But currently these priorities seem to have changed and improvements do not get implemented on all three systems if PS3 can't handle them.
In my opinion the developers should implement whatever they can on PC as soon as possible and later look into whether they can be ported into consoles. This way players could choose whether to get best features by playing on PC or play simplified version on their couch. Otherwise the unfortunate situation of FFXI will be repeated soon.
Diablo III and Phantasy Online 2, just to give two examples, don't seem to suffer same problem, so it's very much possible to do.
Because of this flawed development mentality the game is not as good as it could be. Feature implementation gets severely delayed, is done only partially or even new features do not get researched and implemented at all.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

They also need to stay within the parameters of the minimum system requirements for PCs. The earliest they'd do anything that affects min. system reqs. would be the expansion since bumping up the minimums on a released product could constitute false advertising (imagine picking up a boxed version at Best Buy, installing it at home, and finding out that an update increased the minimums beyond your PC's specs) but an expansion is its own entity. The first expansion is also as far out as they've committed to the PS3 version.

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Adding separate buff and debuff bars on PC and PS4 but not PS3 does not constitute false advertising. The game is playable on all three systems for all content that was introduced at launch and implementing new features on PC/PS4 won't change that fact. Console versions already have separate UI and lowered graphic resolution/framerate.

I just want it so it always shows my debuffs first on the list. It's such a pain trying to keep up Phlebotomize in ST because depending on the makeup of the alliance it'll often just disappear entirely even when it's up.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

I just want it so it always shows my debuffs first on the list. It's such a pain trying to keep up Phlebotomize in ST because depending on the makeup of the alliance it'll often just disappear entirely even when it's up.

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I'm pretty sure it always shows the players buffs first. You may be thinking of Disembowel, which when someone else uses it will remove your Disembowel icon in favor of the fresh one.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I would just like for the duration text color of enemy status effects to be different, I know they currently are, but from a distance the green/white contrast is not particularly easy to notice. Throws me off on SMN sometimes when there is another SMN or SCH dotting things up, have to look extra hard to make sure that is/isn't my dot.

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Agreed. I really wish they made this distinction something easier to see, like a thick solid outline around the debuff icon or something. I'm not sure if it's much better for PC players sitting a couple feet from the monitor, but trying to make out whether that tiny little number is in a white or pale green font color is nearly impossible from across the room (couch distance).

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

Was going to ask if we could have a seperate bar for our dots too since I couldn't care less about what dots of 7 other people are on the boss too.

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Well, if you don't care about other people's dots at all, you can turn them off entirely so it only shows yours. I'm not in the game at the moment, so can't say exactly where the option is, but look around in the character settings for a checkbox labeled something to the effect of "Show only detrimental effects you cast".

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Originally Posted by Zirael_Foxfire

Adding separate buff and debuff bars on PC and PS4 but not PS3 does not constitute false advertising. The game is playable on all three systems for all content that was introduced at launch and implementing new features on PC/PS4 won't change that fact. Console versions already have separate UI and lowered graphic resolution/framerate.

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The post you're replying to was talking about PC minimum specs. The PC version lists what the minimum specs are that someone's computer needs to meet in order to play the game. They can't add stuff to the PC version that a minimum-spec PC cannot handle. That has nothing to do with consoles.

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Originally Posted by raelgun

This isnt a server memory issue, this is hardware memory issue, yes its a PS3 limitation

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This is my point exactly. We already have a dev comment as to why it's hard to give us the option to save our PvP actions. I play a WHM mostly in PvP, but if I want to play my PLD I have to reset all the points and manually put them in the right actions again and then re-drag the abilities to my hotbars. This because the PS3's (and even the PS4's according by that dev) memory limitations. There was something else we got a comment on and it was again the PS3's limitations and now this topic.

I understand that there's a big group of PS3 players. However, a 2006 released console can only do so much. It's getting rather annoying.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

Again a memory issue though. It's conspicious how compared to other MMO's, simple things aren't available due to memory issues.

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The low memory use is a testament to how careful they've been. Standing in Gridania it's using 640MB with textures and such up highest. Most MMOs have big issues with many players in the same zone. In Revenant's Toll I can be in a crowd of 100 or so and not a noticeable drop in FPS. Very busy hunts no notice of a drop. I do read some console players have issues sometimes but the PC client has been very well written.

I really hope they can separate Buff from Debuff one day

Problem is now it shows unnecessary debuff effect like DoTs and debuffs
inflicted by other players out of your party which do not effect to your action.

Following are the things I would like SE to make the change,
1. Lower priority of FC buff to the last
2. Don't show other members DoTs
3. Don't show non-party debuff
4. Show debuff infliced by party members
5. Move buff/debuff timer to above or below icon to easily recognize what is buff/debuff

You can make it so only your debuffs show on the target bar, it's under character Configuration, target if I recall correctly. It only shows yours and doesn't load anyone elses. You just have to dig a little bit for it.