Hunt HP Increase did Virtually Nothing

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You're still required to get in equivalent participation amount.

Ex. if my group comes in at 50% & starts wailing on the mob, we still only get as much as we would have before credit-wise.

At 50% today, say we get 10k damage in instead of 50% yesterday dealing 1k damage.

We get the same credit.

Giving us more time to kill the creature did nothing to solve the issue as 10 hits now is exactly the same as the 1 hit we could squeeze in yesterday (erroneous figures).

SE, legitimate solutions incoming please?

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I suppose now people will have an easier time troll-resetting at least.....

You can generate contribution out of thin air by using tanks and healers to create additional enmity. More time, more enmity out of thin air, more contribution for everyone, as far as I understand it.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

You can generate contribution out of thin air by using tanks and healers to create additional enmity. More time, more enmity out of thin air, more contribution for everyone, as far as I understand it.

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Works the same way. You need 'that' much more enmity just like how you need that much more damage, same difference.

Just means healers spamming Medica II over-healing mindlessly will get teams their full credit still.

What kind of cheesy design is that?

It's extremely easy to get credit.

1 or 2 healers, have them divine seal + Medica II, whilst everyone else deals damage.

YOU DO NOT NEED A TANK.

On Excalibur A/B's die in 10-30 seconds yet we still do fine even from 50%.

Well, I certainly don't agree with the whole "Be in a full group or forget about it"-thing, either. I do wish they'd make some changes to contribution - or just give full contribution to everyone who gets a hit in, at this point - not like it harms anyone.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Well, I certainly don't agree with the whole "Be in a full group or forget about it"-thing, either. I do wish they'd make some changes to contribution - or just give full contribution to everyone who gets a hit in, at this point - not like it harms anyone.

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Yeah not like the fights are legitimately tough either... so extra button-mashing doesn't really merit more credit.

Especially when you've got things like gimmicky over-healing credit.

I'm being sincere. Seriously, there is almost nothing to think about when face-rolling a mark.

Legitimately, I don't see how more button-mashing should necessarily deserve more credit (to an extent).

And over-healing to obtain insane enmity generation is gimmicky, fact.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

I'm being sincere. Seriously, there is almost nothing to think about when face-rolling a mark.

Legitimately, I don't see how more button-mashing should necessarily deserve more credit (to an extent).

And over-healing to obtain insane enmity generation is gimmicky, fact.

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I don't know, and maybe this is just my line of thinking, but personally if I see a hunt mark I keep it to myself and people I trust to keep it hush hush. Bringing the whole server via shout/tell your neighbors etc is just asking for problems.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I don't know, and maybe this is just my line of thinking, but personally if I see a hunt mark I keep it to myself and people I trust to keep it hush hush. Bringing the whole server via shout/tell your neighbors etc is just asking for problems.

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And if everyone did the same, nobody would be getting anywhere fast in terms of seals. Telling people about it is the neighborly thing to do.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

And if everyone did the same, nobody would be getting anywhere fast in terms of seals. Telling people about it is the neighborly thing to do.

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Which in the end, Fighting/blacklisting for pulling/tons of reports made to SE/name calling/threats you name it will continue to occur. If this kind of thing were to be controlled somehow, I would agree with you about telling people about it. SE does need to do some tweaking/changes to make this more friendlier.

As much as it would defeat the purpose of the hunt, I suggest something like this to be implemented:

http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/...014_205247.png


- Get a limited amount of Weekly hunt tickets ( 5-7 tickets)
- Those helping you out on your hunting ticket receives half the marks you normally get if you had a ticket on you.
- Rank S can stay as is if they really wanted too, since spawning conditions are quite harsh I am hearing that it will take you awhile to even pop it.

Ultimately, I think they need to alter contribution calculations & I had one other great idea.

Add a quest to unlock ability "Tag Mark", once a Mark is tagged, you & party members who get at least 1 hit in against the Mark are entitled to full-credit.

Call it your due reward for being the finder. Once tagged, the Mark is immune for 2 minutes to provide time for your party to collect. Afterward, the Mark is Tag-immune for another 3 minutes but able to be attacked by anyone.

So you can claim your Marks in this manner. Ineffective against S-Ranks.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

It's extremely easy to get credit.
1 or 2 healers, have them divine seal + Medica II, whilst everyone else deals damage.

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There even better macro for late entries - /ac "Benediction" <tt>
Just don't forget tag NM with Aero.
And more common combo is Aero -> Swiftcast -> Medica2, just 2.5 second for a lot of aggro. Spamming Medica1 under divine seal after that often yields you a lockout aggro and chance to reset if some of your party members still away.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

Add a quest to unlock ability "Tag Mark", once a Mark is tagged, you & party members who get at least 1 hit in against the Mark are entitled to full-credit.

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The finder party still have problem with credit? You should work either on something about gear or get more balanced setup (i.e. tanks and healers helps alot).

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

Add a quest to unlock ability "Tag Mark", once a Mark is tagged, you & party members who get at least 1 hit in against the Mark are entitled to full-credit.

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I was thinking something slightly along the same lines actually, but instead tagging a mark gives you and your party the right to pull the mob. This blocks antsy people and trolls from pulling early when you wanted to wait. I've been in multiple marks where I was the first to find the thing, I shouted to let people know and shouted a time I would pull at... and entire minutes early some dragoon goes zooming past me and facerolls the mark.

I disagree with the primary post however. In fact if you actually deign to read the patch notes it says they relaxed the contribution requirements for full credit. And it's definitely, definitely noticeable now how much additional HP the mobs have. A-ranks get a full minute or more now, and B-ranks actually have time now to get off a technique or two.

I read the Patch Notes. Try it for yourself, they didn't relax contrib credit like they said. The health is noticeable but it does nothing in terms of helping credit unless you're using gimmicky overheal tactics.

Now, overhealing is a legit strat don't get me wrong... it's just very poor design isn't it?