Use your words

I think it's great that the people playing tank are willing to take control and lead the group through an instance.. but please communicate! Too many times assumptions are made that everyone is on the same page, which is a dangerous assumption.

I see adds not picked up, items not clicked, mobs not kited. There are absolutely people newer to these dungeons who will not necessarily know what is going on, even if they have seen that dungeon before.. Maybe they never have done it your way.

Save yourself 5-10 minutes of time, and spend 30 seconds clarifying. :cool:

I prefer to spend 30 seconds telling everyone how amazing I am, then 5-10 minutes apologizing for getting everyone killed.

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Originally Posted by Benolan

I think it's great that the people playing tank are willing to take control and lead the group through an instance.. but please communicate! Too many times assumptions are made that everyone is on the same page, which is a dangerous assumption.

I see adds not picked up, items not clicked, mobs not kited. There are absolutely people newer to these dungeons who will not necessarily know what is going on, even if they have seen that dungeon before.. Maybe they never have done it your way.

Save yourself 5-10 minutes of time, and spend 30 seconds clarifying. :cool:

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I do wish more would do this...

"Hey WHM, you know what to do right?"
"Yep."

*after wipe*

"You said you knew to do <list of things no other party has asked me to do before>!"

I love asking if anyone doesn't know the fight/dungeon and getting no response 'till things go wrong; most players seem to need to learn how to communicate more, not just one set.

Hi, I agree we need a bit more communication, especially when there are options to take. I don't think it's a tank thing, since anyone can speak.

In most places people have already been many times, so unless somebody is new and says it or wants exp or needs the map, people don't speak much. It's much more fun when there is some communication and a fun attitude instead of complete silence. It's great to have a smooth quick run, but a run with problems but with good communication and working to solve problems is also great. Smooth quick run + fun communication is the best. (Tanks don't have much time to type normally though, unless between pulls and stopping.)

Problems + lack of communication (or bad player relationship) = nasty problems. :-)

Crystal and Syrcus Towers are places where communication is key.

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Originally Posted by Skull_Angel

I love asking if anyone doesn't know the fight/dungeon and getting no response 'till things go wrong; most players seem to need to learn how to communicate more, not just one set.

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This.

Hate Cutter's Cry for this reason, ask if they wanna kite or grab the princess mobs *crickets* everyone dies from going one way or the other, get all the blame after.

Yeah, have noticed that not many people talk at all. Must be a lot of PS players I figured lol.

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Originally Posted by SwashBuccaneer

Yeah, have noticed that not many people talk at all. Must be a lot of PS players I figured lol.

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I think this. This is the only game on PS that I have that you cannot use a mic on. I made up a few macros for common sayings and such, but if I need to type out something I usually don't even bother because I always get ready checked because its a cluster doing so

When we do this people tell us to stop telling them how to play :-(. But I don't care I do it anyways!

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

I think this. This is the only game on PS that I have that you cannot use a mic on. I made up a few macros for common sayings and such, but if I need to type out something I usually don't even bother because I always get ready checked because its a cluster doing so

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Grab a USB Keyboard so that it isn't such a cluster. I really don't think you're playing this game to its full potential without a one.

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Originally Posted by Benolan

I see adds not picked up, items not clicked, mobs not kited. There are absolutely people newer to these dungeons who will not necessarily know what is going on...

Save yourself 5-10 minutes of time, and spend 30 seconds clarifying. :cool:

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I did Stone Vigor for the very first time last night. Had only 1 person in group that had done the zone before (edit: who didn't have any fruitful help to provide except, i don't pay attention, i just dps.) So, on the bosses, I was like: We'll figure out as it goes. If there's adds--Kill'em, if there's pools--don't stand in them (or any ground spawn). We 1 pulled everything except last guy, Healer got stuck in a field of pools and combo'd with the dive and died :( But the rest is just gaming common sense, kill small stuff, don't stand in obviously wrong places and moving is a priority over finishing that cast.

I'm new to tanking and I'm planning on just creating a party macro to notify everyone that "the run will not be fast, I will be marking enemies in terms of attacking priority and if they play along, things will go smooth." Thought about maybe throwing in a "If you don't like it, get out." But it feels like I'd perhaps antagonise some people or bring their inner troll out.

Any recommendations for a new tank, btw?

My experience as a tank is that when I try to talk, everyone gets impatient and complains because they just want to go and a dps will just run into a boss to start it...even if they are new players which frustrates me because I want to explain things to new players first (assuming they want to hear). I will not stop trying to communicate but, that is a frustration.

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Originally Posted by LukeyP666

Grab a USB Keyboard so that it isn't such a cluster. I really don't think you're playing this game to its full potential without a one.

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This ^^ for PS players. How much does a basic keyboard cost? $5-10? Any USB keyboard works. There's no excuse to not having a keyboard.

You could say the same about other classes. I have my share of DPS/healers pulling mobs at random. Either type or macro exactly what you need from the dungeon. If you choose to say nothing it will most likely become a SR by default because that is what most DF want.

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Originally Posted by SwashBuccaneer

Yeah, have noticed that not many people talk at all. Must be a lot of PS players I figured lol.

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PC player here. It's extremely rare for me to talk at all in DF dungeons.

It just opens you to attacks. Even apologising (and yes, asking for help too) is often worse than just staying silent, even if they know it's your first time (and even in pre-50 content). Sometimes there are exceptions but it's rare.

Hey all ^^

I am one of the talkative type (not RP) in which a little hello at the start, or answering a simple question not with silence that I must assume they understood makes a smooth and enjoyable (fun) run.

I check the types of DPS I am being matched with, and then I try to pull accordingly. Even so, bad things can happen, and if I know it comes from me, I will type: My bad.

When it's clear another one made a mistake: nothing typed..

So everyone just take the shortcut again, getting back to the point, and move on.

Wipes are part of the game, it's not a big deal.

Turns down to some that their time is precious: if you don't have time to do a Dungeon that has a 60 min timer on it, don't get into one.

Now that myth is easier than ever to get, Speed Runners can calm themselves a bit.

From time to time it's ok, but always? Not for me.

So yeah - A bit of talking makes it feel you are not playing a solo FF game that you have companions (and even so I think NPCs would talk more than some lol)

Every single time I enter a dungeon, I throw out a "Rally-ho!". If no one responds, I instantly think "Oh jeez, one of those parties". I love talking in the dungeons...admittedly I don't talk much during fights (Don't tank and text y'all), but when running I like talking to the party, makes it more enjoyable that way. If everyone is silent, it's kinda creepy. I even have a rule: If you don't respond to my "Rally-ho!" at the beginning, I don't care how awesome you are, you aren't getting a commendation. Even if you are a PS3/4, using the virtual keyboard for a simple "Hi!" or "Sup" is enough. As others have said, you hamper your experience if you don't have a keyboard for the PS versions. Even an el cheapo 10 (of your local currency) is enough to communicate.

EDIT: This may just be the way I was raised with old school MMOs, but I like to go over a strat (or make sure everyone is on the same page). If no one responds, I have no idea if they understand or anything. This is huge in Mythflox. I like to know if I'm pulling everything or just some things. I dunno what everyone is comfortable. Maybe the AOE heavy people have never handled a huge pull, or maybe the Single target champs can handle full pulls. I don't pull until I know that everyone understands. At the last boss, I may have a MNk and DRG in the party...who is gonna use the LB? Who can skip the big bomb phase. I just like to know that everyone knows what will happen. Each group is different. Just because the group you were in 10 minutes ago would handle situation A, doesn't mean the next one can. Maybe I'm just old.

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Originally Posted by KokopokiRirinima

Any recommendations for a new tank, btw?

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Yes, act like you don't give a rats ass about strategy and just pull them and figure it out as you go. You'll need to build on intuition to expect certain things in an encounter. Things like:

Room: Shape, Size, Ceiling?-how high?
Mob type / weaponry - Is it a dragon, ogre with an axe..etc.
What mechanics have already been experienced in the game for you that may be used here?

These 3 are a good foundation to just go in an adjust on the fly. Like: dragon in a large area with no ceiling, ill expect flying, breath attack, maybe a wing beat KB. So... I will pull and put my back to a surface with enough room to dodge breaths but has access to not being cornered during flying effects if it has it.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

PC player here. It's extremely rare for me to talk at all in DF dungeons. It just opens you to attacks. Even apologising (and yes, asking for help too) is often worse than just staying silent, even if they know it's your first time (and even in pre-50 content). Sometimes there are exceptions but it's rare.

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That's one of the best parts about playing a tank in a tank starved game... I'll say "1st time for me" and then start going through the dungeon. Couple instances a 50 dragoon tried to jump ahead of pulls, so... I started dragging encounters into the next ones and kept his ass on the move. He dropped because he couldn't keep up with my pace, what a chump. Pro-healer though for sure--paced out 15 minutes of chain fighting with no break for mana or TP.

The coolest dungeons and raids are those where people say hi at start and keep their mouths shut till the end. If you die you will/should know which person is new and can explain what he or she did wrong after - no need to talk before that.

Being on a ps is no excuse to not communicate. most of my fc is on ps and they got a keyboard just to communicate with everyone. this is an mmorpg, not single player. if you dont communicate expect to be treat like an npc in those sucky protect/follow quests that they have no idea what they are doing.

Usually i communicate what i want and how i want it.

Eg in tam hard, when i see i got a whm i will tell them that i want them to holy the adds to hell and i wont die in a few seconds, just to give me a regen or something and ill be fine.

I found out that most are happy to do that, but are too scared to take the initiative.

I can't say about the end games dungeons and trials, but during my leveling process I have encountered a quite large number of players that misbehave. And I don't want to be bias, or racist or anything like that but majority of those players were French. Sorry if this hurts anyone but they seem not to understand basic english and are not capable to understand that 2 is after 1. Yesterday I did 3 dungeons, 2 of them were spoiled by those kind of people and 2 out of 3 people that were misbehaving were French. One was a healer spamming Medica till his mana went out (he was not able to heal me enough on normal 3 mobs pulls and he was stealing aggro as mad - it was low level so I had no shield oath to maintain aoe aggro well). After telling him to stop doing that and start curing instead he replied that this is the way he wants to do it and he will continue to do so no matter what. Two of them were DPS, one pulling everything (ARCanist with TOPAZ summoner) that did not stop even when we said he should focus the marked one, unsummon topaz and stop pulling and second was an archer who did not give a single frack even when he died when pulling (me and healer just stop doing anything to see how it ends).

I have much more examples of misbehaviour. I never thought that French people are s stubborn and are not able to learn basic english. I've never had any bad experience with them in any other game...

As a Main Tank.. (Even if i'm on Any other Class) i Ususally ask if everyone has done it before.. If yeah, I Just go. If not i Offer too Explain the Bosses.. Saves Wiping. Also.. I Always Start Titan Hard Mode with "Welcome too Titan's School of Dodging".... Gives People a Hint at what they should do.

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Originally Posted by RickmanUK

As a Main Tank.. (Even if i'm on Any other Class) i Ususally ask if everyone has done it before.. If yeah, I Just go. If not i Offer too Explain the Bosses.. Saves Wiping. Also.. I Always Start Titan Hard Mode with "Welcome too Titan's School of Dodging".... Gives People a Hint at what they should do.

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loving this ^

I usually tell them 'Welcome to dodgemaster 9000' or something :)

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Originally Posted by Skull_Angel

I love asking if anyone doesn't know the fight/dungeon and getting no response 'till things go wrong; most players seem to need to learn how to communicate more, not just one set.

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I've learned you often have to be more specific than that. Cutter's Cry was used as a good example. You ask me if I know the fight with the princess, I'll say yes, assuming that the healer is going to kite the adds, whereas the healer might have always had the tank pull the adds. If the notification comes up that someone in the instance is new, I'll quickly explain all the fights as we get to them without asking "is anyone new?" and putting some new kid on the spot.