Gear Damage on 'Return'

While this hasn't yet happened to me, a LS friend last night indicated he died, and returned to the aetheryte he had just established as his HP. Upon return, he noticed ALL his gear was @ 35%. If this is true, I don't understand why they made it so, and I don't think this is fair at all, especially now with 'return' costing 0 anima, there is no need to blood warp anymore (which I do understand they were looking to discourage).

This is extremely punative with average of 10 gear @ 4500g, assuming all upper tier gear, that's 45Kg now. Players will, time to time, just die, with return being the only option.

Am I missing something here? Is this the way it works now? Does anyone else have issues with this?

Initially it may seem unfair, but in reality it makes perfect sense. They NEED to remove gil from the economy. It's far too flooded and it's perfectly normal to see people walking around with over 10 mil in pure cash. Making your gear get owned when you die and don't get a raise does three things; discourage careless/wreckless play, encourage party play & teamwork, remove gil from the economy. All things this game desperately needs.

I know it sucks having to pay a lot for repairs (try running Darkhold for a couple hours then look at your broken-ass gear lol) but it's for a better FFXIV future, trust me.

Last night some LS guys and I died twice in toto-rak after seeing that there was some gear damage i noticed that my shield needed repair but as i looked at my other gear it was all at about 50% every single piece with the exception of accessories so spending 21k to fix this stuff which is still cheaper then repair npc but a pain in the ass

I like it. It's fair for the repair economy as money will flow smoothly (I'm not a crafter). It encourages people to fight for their lives, not to mention that it creates a certain degree of "fear" and "pumping heart" during battles.

Also, it makes Raise and similar skills even more useful. This also encourages people to at least travel in pairs, because travelling solo in Eorzea is dangerous (while remain possible), as it should be.

i really understand that it makes things challenging which is great but when you have to stop partying because of gear damage or spend gil on extra gear it becomes an issue not everyone has a million gil to throw around

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Originally Posted by MokoMuncher

i really understand that it makes things challenging which is great but when you have to stop partying because of gear damage or spend gil on extra gear it becomes an issue not everyone has a million gil to throw around

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I can see how this could prove to be a real issue, but generally if you're partying (and not dying) you won't get a ton of gear wear and should only have to repair every few hours (totally reasonable).

Its a shit system, but just gotta live with it.

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Originally Posted by Archadius

I can see how this could prove to be a real issue, but generally if you're partying (and not dying) you won't get a ton of gear wear and should only have to repair every few hours (totally reasonable).

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yeah but when your trying to help your LS mates with toto-rak then there's going to be some dying there were other ppl outside of the dungeon complaining about the same thing

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Originally Posted by MokoMuncher

yeah but when your trying to help your LS mates with toto-rak then there's going to be some dying there were other ppl outside of the dungeon complaining about the same thing

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well ofcourse, just play wisely or try not to get killed instead.. o_O i know is wishful thinking, but that exactly the point, ppl carefree to die as much as they wanted without a thought of penalty, and once is added you now need to rethink of dying. I hope it stay this way, is perfect for now.. hehe

Oh, well I can't say I've run into that problem yet. I ran it as 35 ARC, with a 25 LNC, a 32(?) CON and one other guy around 30 and we didn't have to suffer any deaths (without raise, remember, it's only without raise that you take a big gear hit).

I like the system, one it makes since, and two makes raise something that is needed in the party. I also prefer this over xp loss like they did in XI.

Ether make friends with some crafters and repair your stuff for cheap, or try crafting out so you can repair your own gear. The other option I liked was take another set of gear with you.

Hopefully crafters will take advantage of the need by the dungeons and camp out there doing repairs. :)

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Originally Posted by Delmontyb

Hopefully crafters will take advantage of the need by the dungeons and camp out there doing repairs. :)

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This is a gold mine. I actually had the fortune of experiencing this earlier, as someone was outside Toto-Rak AFK seeking ARM, BSM and GLD repairs using g3/4/5 Dark Matter. All repairs were set for 4-5k so it was some decent coin (and gave more money than the cost of buying Dark Matter).

I actually think it's wonderful. For once I'm actually restraining myself from taking on that mob that I know has a good chance of destroying me. It gives a sense of peril, and that is something that the game desperately needs.

Sure, it sucks loosing 10% durability when I DO kick the bucket, but it doesn't make me rage quit in a huff like experience loss did in FFXI. It just makes me think "well I have to turn down the suck."

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Originally Posted by Archadius

This is a gold mine. I actually had the fortune of experiencing this earlier, as someone was outside Toto-Rak AFK seeking ARM, BSM and GLD repairs using g3/4/5 Dark Matter. All repairs were set for 4-5k so it was some decent coin (and gave more money than the cost of buying Dark Matter).

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Yessum.. there was one in particular crafter who stood there waiting for anyone.. he should shout out if anyone need repairs (in besaid)

I think I'd be ok with this if it wasn't so totally punative. Taking gear down to 35% for an unintentional death just isn't right. Maybe a 10-15% reduction for each death. Death is just going to happen in this game, and you won't always be traveling with a mage. Also, there is no reraise as of yet in the game.

I guess I'm just having trouble with some of the 'all or nothing' changes in this game.

- this for one
- MP cost going from ridiculous to ridiculous the other side of the spectrum
- faction leve rewards Horn and Hand - my god has anyone looked at these? Lanolin, hempen bowstrings, undyed canvas, iron ingot. This faction was nearly non-revalent before. What kind of rewards are these for 100/200/300 faction points? At least before there was occasional opportunity at some nice items like tattered robe and vintage jesters. I understand SE is moving emphasis away from leve's, but instead of this, why not just remove them from the game? This is a joke. Leve NM drop rate is also a joke. I've assisted on roughly 15 of these, and 0/15. That's 600 faction points for a liklihood of nothing. This just isn't right, either, but a whole other discussion, I understand.

Incidently, I can repair every stitch of my battle gear, but 45K a pop for an accidental death, is still, imo, way too punative.

Accidental death is when you go AFK in a spot that you thought was safe, but then some goblin or something spawns and wails on your ass while you're getting a drink.

Going into a hard dungeon, fighting the good fight and taking one for the team or getting wiped as collateral isn't accidental.

...Unless you're my LS leader, who somehow manages to die just by moving anywhere near a mob's proximity.

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Originally Posted by zzapp

Incidently, I can repair every stitch of my battle gear, but 45K a pop for an accidental death, is still, imo, way too punative.

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I only lose 10-15% per death :X

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

I only lose 10-15% per death :X

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ya exactly you dont go from 100%-35% in one death.
agreed that would be a pain but its not

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Originally Posted by zzapp

I think I'd be ok with this if it wasn't so totally punative. Taking gear down to 35% for an unintentional death just isn't right. Maybe a 10-15% reduction for each death. Death is just going to happen in this game, and you won't always be traveling with a mage. Also, there is no reraise as of yet in the game.

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From my experience, I've only lost 6-7% on a death on each equipped item. You probably suffered wear on your items if you started at 100%. Some people have also been saying that items degrade faster on use now than before.

I agree with why it was done. Just seems a little harsh for solo players. I have very little time to play, so rarely party. Because i feel it is rude to join a party and then leave 30 minutes or a hour later. So getting raised is not a option for me. Maybe they could reduce the penalty if you are not in a party. Hmm then again that would be hard to make work, because people would just leave the party and then return. Oh well not complaining i will learn to work with it.

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Originally Posted by Amicus

From my experience, I've only lost 6-7% on a death on each equipped item. You probably suffered wear on your items if you started at 100%. Some people have also been saying that items degrade faster on use now than before.

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It is a 25% reduction upon return. It states this in the patch notes.

Opps. I ignore this...... Reread the patch note. It does not state the gear damage.

25% is hp and mp reduction.

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Originally Posted by fmonkey13

It is a 25% reduction upon return. It states this in the patch notes.

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Then it isn't working correctly, because I had to die and return three times from 75% durability before it told me my stuff was broken.

EDIT: I just looked and it only says there is a durability loss, but it doesn't say a specific amount.