Kill the second DPS slot

At this point it's pretty obvious to everyone that most of the 4 man content can be pretty much 3 1/2 manned. There's always a dps that isn't pulling their weight, or you get a party that can and just blow the hell out of everything because one guy is at i90.

Because of this, I suggest that the second DPS slot be changed to a "free" slot that accepts all comers. I believe this would decrease queue times across the board except for ranged dps, who wouldn't really be too much more screwed than they already are. But more importantly it would make things MORE INTERESTING.

The same should happen for Syrcus Tower. Each alliance gets one tank, two healers, 3 dps and 2 free slots. Since healers and tanks are perfectly capable of DPSing to some degree, and the checks aren't particularly harsh.

Dps would fill "free slot" every single time and besides why would you need another tank/heal on such "faceroll easy" 4 man content

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Originally Posted by Ddmk

Dps would fill "free slot" every single time and besides why would you need another tank/heal on such "faceroll easy" 4 man content

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way to get even less tanks on content where they're needed

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Originally Posted by Ddmk

Dps would fill "free slot" every single time and besides why would you need another tank/heal on such "faceroll easy" 4 man content

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I agree DPS would most likely end up filling the slot every time (there is a reason tanks and healers get quick queues). As for why you would need another I believe that the OP is not saying you need another one but that you could do the dungeons with 2/1/1, 1/2/1, or how it is now 1/1/2 and having a "free" slot would allow for the very limited times when you are waiting on a dps for the party to form and go anyways.

DPS would fill it most times making this suggestion pointless.
The times they wouldn't fill it would make this suggestion bad.

I could see making that second dps slot "optional" ie. we can start with 1/1/1 but if a second dps comes along, throw him in. Otherwise, 2 tanks or 2 heals would limit other groups from running and slow down queue times for dps even more; thus a terrible idea.

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Originally Posted by sanosuke001

I could see making that second dps slot "optional" ie. we can start with 1/1/1 but if a second dps comes along, throw him in. Otherwise, 2 tanks or 2 heals would limit other groups from running and slow down queue times for dps even more; thus a terrible idea.

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So much this. It would slow things down more than anything. Personally, I don't want a second tank joining my run; it's not needed and it would seriously gimp the group when it comes to DPS check mechanics.

Imagine the tank wars we have in 24 man content taking place in a 4 man dungeon. -.-

You can already do this. It's called make your own party.

It's not a bad idea and wouldn't change much. A good war or PLD with str gear will out parse most of the people you find in DF. Same thing for good SCHs.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

It's not a bad idea and wouldn't change much. A good war or PLD with str gear will out parse most of the people you find in DF. Same thing for good SCHs.

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Love the logic here. Random DF person will be fine if they're a good PLD/SCH because a good PLD/SCH is better than a random DF person.

It's also a terrible idea because even if your random DF person happens to be better than a random DF person in that case you're taking a tank/healer away from another group.

I'd really like to be able to enter a dungeon without a full party.
I don't understand why on Earth we need to be 4 to enter WP, 8 to enter turn 1, etc.

Because that's how the game was designed to be?

Honestly, the way queue times are for DPS, I'd rather they make the dungeon a bit harder and ADD a DPS slot. *THAT* would help queue times.

...How? You'll still need to gather tanks and healers which apparently not many people like to play as, so the wait times will not change.

Don't even need a DPS. Just did Titan and we lost both DPS with about 25% life left on him. With just me and the healer left I was able to take him down the rest of the way. (though it was story mode Titan).

I know we needed the DPS to get that far was just kind of funny.

I think OP is trolling. Has to be. Queue times are bad enough for DPS without hairbrained nonsense like this screwing it up worse. If anything they should do the smart thing and -add- a DPS slot to each light party and buff mob HP accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Nexxa

I think OP is trolling. Has to be. Queue times are bad enough for DPS without hairbrained nonsense like this screwing it up worse. If anything they should do the smart thing and -add- a DPS slot to each light party and buff mob HP accordingly.

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Considering how much I've seen some healers struggle with just a tank and 2 DPS, I predict healers would become the rare species if SE were to do this. Unless they added a DPS slot and left the mobs/difficulty as it currently stands, anyway. No one likes to have extra burdens placed on them after they've gotten used to doing things a certain way.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

...How? You'll still need to gather tanks and healers which apparently not many people like to play as, so the wait times will not change.

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Easily. A dungeon designed around 1 tank, 1 healer, and 6 dps, in the same queue as roulette high lvl, would mean 1 dungeon queue pop taking 3 times the # of dps out of the queue.

No it wouldn't. You still have long wait times cause too nany people are still playing as dps.

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Originally Posted by Pixi

Considering how much I've seen some healers struggle with just a tank and 2 DPS, I predict healers would become the rare species if SE were to do this. Unless they added a DPS slot and left the mobs/difficulty as it currently stands, anyway. No one likes to have extra burdens placed on them after they've gotten used to doing things a certain way.

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Considering most healers can DPS most of the time anyway, I'd prefer to have more dps so I can do my actual assigned job.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

No it wouldn't. You still have long wait times cause too nany people are still playing as dps.

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How many? An infinite number? No, of course not. So let's say there's 100 dps in queues with 5 tanks and 5 healers popping every 5 minutes.

If each of those tank/healer sets takes 2 dps how long will it take to go through 100 dps in queue?

How long if they take 4 dps?

Seriously, it's like a grade 2 math question.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

You can already do this. It's called make your own party.

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This. Have done with my fc 2 tank run which truly sucked because we progressed slower that if there would be 2 dps and I know my fc members have done runs with 3 dps and healer also.

Nope, why would you want to bring in another tank/healer when there are so many DPS on queue? A bad DPS still does damage to speed the run up, unless that DPS is dead most of the time, period.

Don't need to tell me about good DPSing tanks/healers though. There are, but not as abundant as bad DPS, so bringing in a bad DPS is still better than any random tank/healer on DF.

Yeah, keeping tank and healer and just opening one slot wouldn't help anything. Wouldn't even change anything 99% of the time.

But if opening slots is your thing, I'd rather see a "party roulette" option for all dungeons. That simply means the DF takes the first 4 people it finds, period, regardless of role. It would be risky, but could be fun to try with oddball combinations. Of course, this would be an option, it wouldn't replace the normal setup. You'd get to choose which type of run to enter.

I would prefer simply increasing the max party size by adding dps slots, but not requiring them to be filled to start.

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Originally Posted by AlexPayne

Yeah, keeping tank and healer and just opening one slot wouldn't help anything. Wouldn't even change anything 99% of the time.

But if opening slots is your thing, I'd rather see a "party roulette" option for all dungeons. That simply means the DF takes the first 4 people it finds, period, regardless of role. It would be risky, but could be fun to try with oddball combinations. Of course, this would be an option, it wouldn't replace the normal setup. You'd get to choose which type of run to enter.

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So you mean you want it possible to have a party that consists of just mostly one role?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

So you mean you want it possible to have a party that consists of just mostly one role?

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It could certainly make for an interesting challenge.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

So you mean you want it possible to have a party that consists of just mostly one role?

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Yes. Obviously, as I said it would be optional, so it wouldn't be like you're forced to take the risk of getting something like a 4-BRD party. But for those that like to roll the dice, it would be something different to do. personally, I run wacky-combo dungeons whenever I get the chance.

You can already do that with a premade party. Unless you are giving people bigger rewards for taking this risk, no one will do it. You literally cannot win without a healer (and not the lol cross class healing) and people would probably start to drop out the minute that the random classes aren't synchronized well. I remember a few occasions on Ifrit HM where several party members immediately quit before the fight began because we had no Black Mages to AOE LB the nails; something like that would happen too often in your proposal.


Say "it's optional" all you like, but I'd like to see you or anyone else try to progress through an instance without a proper healer.

why not put an extra free slot and keep things the way things are, have a fifth person to a 4 ppl dungeon. Arcanists have a pet with them which makes a party of four=>five so have a fifth person but make it optional cuz if an Arcanist shows up then a fifth person cant come in.

Then why not just make all duties have 5 players required by default?