Cake Walk World needs to be Spiced Up

Hi!

I believe than most of the player base will agree on this: once you've reach level 50, the open world feel like a walk in the park on a sunny afternoon.

While it is beautiful and contains tons of interesting NPCS, there is nothing to worry about and everything is too easy.

I believe that adding open world puzzles with variable solutions would help make things more interesting. Since most people follow the roads, use the airships or just teleport, there would be no harm to add puzzles or danger elements at key locations.


- For example, players wanting to access the Castrum around the Eorzea should get the front door combination off guard instead of just walking in. The combination would change once in a while, but there would be various ways of obtaining them: killing guards to get numbers, gathering around the Castrum to find lost combination, stalking guards to infiltrate the Castrum, etc.

[In the story, I always find disappointing that I could walk through Castrum Centri before I even gained access to it with the salute and everything...]

- Another example, how about having bounty hunters from Garlemald show up unexpectedly once in a while? You would have the option of fighting them or running away (if you're caught as a DoL or DoH in the wild for example). It would be like a personal FATE.

- There should be open world traps (at fixed locations as not to be annoying, but still a surprise for first timers)! Either ones that inflict damage or ones that immobilize your characters (then you play a mini-game to get out).

- and more!

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We have gathered our allies and together we laid an entire legion to waste.
We have face primals in personal combat and emerged victorious.
We slain millennia old voidsent.
We have rebuilt weapons that were worn by heroes of legends.
We have the knowledge and wisdom lost to time at our fingers.
We slay terror's born of nightmare on daily basis. For books and boxes of scraps!
We. Are. Gods. Amongst. Men


How is some press-ganged Garlemaldean grunt going to be threat to us?

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Originally Posted by Deusteele

We have gathered our allies and together we laid an entire legion to waste.
We have face primals in personal combat and emerged victorious.
We slain millennia old voidsent.
We have rebuilt weapons that were worn by heroes of legends.
We have the knowledge and wisdom lost to time at our fingers.
We slay terror's born of nightmare on daily basis. For books and boxes of scraps!
We. Are. Gods. Amongst. Men


How is some press-ganged Garlemaldean grunt going to be threat to us?

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Because you didn't accomplish all that with your strength alone?

Exactly because we are powerful could others feel the need to defeat us.
That's what we're doing to them, why couldn't they do the same to us?

Even the story, especially in 2.3, acknowledges that you're just OP compared to basically everything.

But I have always found it funny that the Castum just lets you in the front door to their base so you can kill their dudes.

Enough of these open world threads.
You requested open world content, and now people are raging and blacklisting and cursing at each other in the hunt.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

Enough of these open world threads.
You requested open world content, and now people are raging and blacklisting and cursing at each other in the hunt.

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Wut? Poorly executed content doesn't mean open world content is bad. I guess we should also stop with instanced content cause in 2.2 it was just doing Brayflox over and over yeah?

I agree with the OP. Even WoW (or at least when I played vanilla), had elites and higher level mobs roaming the level 60 areas. Silithus required high level armor or a party to explore it's hives. Blasted Lands, EPL, and Deadwind Pass, and other high levels areas had tough mobs that could gang up on you and spell death. I afked in the Sylphlands waiting for a fate and came back to a "high level" mob desperately trying to kill me, barely doing damage.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

Enough of these open world threads.
You requested open world content, and now people are raging and blacklisting and cursing at each other in the hunt.

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Except it was poorly done - Not how people suggested. Even if you try to reference FFXI, major difference is, more than half of XI's life they used a force pop system or a pop heirachy system, e.g Voidwatch/ZNM/Abyssea/Walk of Echos (you pop the instance) and so on.

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Originally Posted by Magis

I agree with the OP. Even WoW (or at least when I played vanilla), had elites and higher level mobs roaming the level 60 areas. Silithus required high level armor or a party to explore it's hives. Blasted Lands, EPL, and Deadwind Pass, and other high levels areas had tough mobs that could gang up on you and spell death. I afked in the Sylphlands waiting for a fate and came back to a "high level" mob desperately trying to kill me, barely doing damage.

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Everyone hates stuff like that which is why everyone hated the sylph quests. (At least everyone I know hated them) No one wants to be attacked and KO'ed by random guys while they're trying to do their daily quests. I don't understand why people want random crap to kill them while they walk around the map. If you like dying so badly go spend hours wiping the floor in savage coil ಠ_ಠ

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

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Where is this from?

I think I want to read more.

Because that rage is true..

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Originally Posted by Magis

I agree with the OP. Even WoW (or at least when I played vanilla), had elites and higher level mobs roaming the level 60 areas. Silithus required high level armor or a party to explore it's hives. Blasted Lands, EPL, and Deadwind Pass, and other high levels areas had tough mobs that could gang up on you and spell death. I afked in the Sylphlands waiting for a fate and came back to a "high level" mob desperately trying to kill me, barely doing damage.

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'Had' being the operative word.

WoW removed Elite enemies from it's open world maps. Everything that was dangerous out in the world is no longer, and if the single most popular MMO on the market decided that was the right choice, what are the chances other games are going to revert on that anytime soon?

AAA games don't take risks, they do what works. We may very well get more open world content, but it's unlikely to ever be dangerous to individuals passing by.

SE interpretation: "I think they want more mobs to cast heavy"

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

Everyone hates stuff like that which is why everyone hated the sylph quests. (At least everyone I know hated them) No one wants to be attacked and KO'ed by random guys while they're trying to do their daily quests. I don't understand why people want random crap to kill them while they walk around the map. If you like dying so badly go spend hours wiping the floor in savage coil ಠ_ಠ

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Oh, everyone? Or did you pull that out of your ass? From the huge discussion a few months back, it seem far less then *everyone* hated "stuff like that". Also... you don't *have* to go out and do stuff in the wild? Why do people always act like they are forced to do certain things. See Atma. To your last part: "If you like having your hand held so badly, go spend hours doing the same easy instance over and over"?

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Originally Posted by ZephyrAM

'Had' being the operative word.

WoW removed Elite enemies from it's open world maps. Everything that was dangerous out in the world is no longer, and if the single most popular MMO on the market decided that was the right choice, what are the chances other games are going to revert on that anytime soon?

AAA games don't take risks, they do what works. We may very well get more open world content, but it's unlikely to ever be dangerous to individuals passing by.

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WoW removed elites from old world content when TBC came out due to it becoming outdate. TBC still had elites in certain areas. I don't recall any complaints about those high level areas due to it being the norm and expected, the only comments were from new players not being able to clear certain quests due to no one being able to help them (again cause it became outdated). I can't say post-TBC cause I quit by then.

Ginger spiced?

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Originally Posted by Santherelle

Where is this from?

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www.xivnomnom.com

All are well made and you even see Sephirot :)

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Originally Posted by Magis

WoW removed elites from old world content when TBC came out due to it becoming outdate. TBC still had elites in certain areas. I don't recall any complaints about those high level areas due to it being the norm and expected, the only comments were from new players not being able to clear certain quests due to no one being able to help them (again cause it became outdated). I can't say post-TBC cause I quit by then.

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Well just for information sake, they removed all Elites since then, as TBC was numerous expansions ago. I don't remember when, but at least as of Cata, open world Elites no longer exist.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrAM

Well just for information sake, they removed all Elites since then, as TBC was numerous expansions ago. I don't remember when, but at least as of Cata, open world Elites no longer exist.

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Well, assuming that began in Cata, you had 5 years of growing sub rates to peak levels, the sharpest being the Vanilla and TBC era with the old system. It wasn't a "good choice", rather "a choice", and seeing as a lot of the choices Blizz made post-cata didn't sustain their subs for much longer (in fact starting a huge 7m decline in subs), it would seem that it's not a great indicator of what a good MMO makes. One should look at what they did when they were rapidly gaining subscribers, not when they plateaued and began losing them.

The best choices Blizzard did when designing their MMO was done when WoW was first launched, and improved on in TBC. The groundwork was built, and people got hooked. However, Blizz had failed to keep making those good choices, and have suffered since.

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Originally Posted by Magis

I afked in the Sylphlands waiting for a fate and came back to a "high level" mob desperately trying to kill me, barely doing damage.

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Was it's level higher or lower than yours?

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Originally Posted by Felis

Was it's level higher or lower than yours?

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Lower. Is there any enemies in the beastman strongholds higher than 50? Heck, anywhere in the world higher than 50 (besides duties)?

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

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All are well made and you even see Sephirot :)

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Thanks! I'll start reading on it!

I think the addition of personal ambush FATES in the open world would be cool. Maybe give the player 10 sec delay to shout for help. Only if you were in a sanctuary would you be safe from ambush.

it certainly looks like Gaius Van Baelsar might be an issue in the next CT

Don't forget about the citizens of Ishgaurd (Hope I'm spelling that right) looks like there geared for war against us maybe.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

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I'm going to bookmark that and read all the archives right meow!

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Except it was poorly done - Not how people suggested. Even if you try to reference FFXI, major difference is, more than half of XI's life they used a force pop system or a pop heirachy system, e.g Voidwatch/ZNM/Abyssea/Walk of Echos (you pop the instance) and so on.

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In fairness, FFXI didnt go off the deep end with all of that till much later when it completely nerfed the entire game when too many cried how hard it was and how long it took.