[Suggestion] Please take some ideas from FFXII.

I'm serious. I think the battle system would work perfectly for FFXIV, with some minor adjustments of course. There were battle chains (which can be used for EXP instead of increase loot drops) and traps for the dungeons which added surprise. The Zodiac Job System worked in designating specific roles for the characters. The music had a grand MMO feel and there were a variety of difference races. So please look at FFXII as well, I think that game had many wonderful ideas that could work for XIV. Thank you for reading.

Except. . .the main character had a limp wrist.

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Originally Posted by Gath

Except. . .the main character had a limp wrist.

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Umm....ok?

WHOOPS MISREAD YOUR POST NEVERMIND

There are already quite a few things reminiscent of FFXII (I believe the art director might be the same?) which I think is a very good thing. I love the similarities in art style and the semi-modern looking versions of armour coming out that seem similar to stuff in XII.

I do agree though, I always thought XI would've been great if it'd been made after XII and taken on some of it's gameplay aspects (not the targetting-eye-lasers mind, those got kind of annoying) it could've been a much more interesting game. Here we are in the next MMO after XII and it sort of feels like they forgot a lot of the neat things they'd done there, though obviously it's a lot harder to implement things in an MMO scenario than offline.

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Originally Posted by Sephr

T(not the targetting-eye-lasers mind, those got kind of annoying)

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Really? It didn't annoy me at all, oh well. If XIV was released with the "laser targeting" system I think behests would be a bit more easier to organize. Sometimes the "attack this" icon that go over the mob's name is too small to see.

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Originally Posted by Sephr

Here we are in the next MMO after XII and it sort of feels like they forgot a lot of the neat things they'd done there, though obviously it's a lot harder to implement things in an MMO scenario than offline.

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Oh yeah definitely, but I think they could make some of the things in XII work out online.

Yes i agree, they should look for inspiration to other ff titles. I mean those things were fun to do, and most of the stuff ff fans want can be easily put into this game. Nobody i talked to wanted some over complicated battle system that will bore mmo players but was exiting for single player games. It was always something like card games, chocobo's or hunting missions. I think it would do well in this game.

so I'm not the only one who kept thinking "this would make a damned good mmo" while playing FFXII?

Gambits>macros
kill chains>mindless grind
that stupid ability grid<the current FFXIV job system (dude, thats something that sucked and ended up killing character uniqueness)

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Originally Posted by SogiYa

so I'm not the only one who kept thinking "this would make a damned good mmo" while playing FFXII?

Gambits>macros
kill chains>mindless grind
that stupid ability grid<the current FFXIV job system (dude, thats something that sucked and ended up killing character uniqueness)

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That's the general consensus I get from everyone that has played FFXII. If they just turned FFXII into an MMO it would be golden.

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Originally Posted by SogiYa

that stupid ability grid<the current FFXIV job system (dude, thats something that sucked and ended up killing character uniqueness)

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You're thinking of the original License board that came out in the original release of FFXII. In Japan, they released an International version that changed the License board, it was called the Zodiac Job System. You had to select a zodiac sign for your character and each sign was a different job, once you selected that job you couldn't change it.

Read more here: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/L...iac_Job_System

I hated ff12. I didn't mind the lack of auto attack that I think it had. But I hated the lazer targeting it looked stupid. And ff12 was a non mmo of ff11 set to ff tactics advance. ff12 was to easy to max out your character And I hated that grid system. '

Anything to help the game in keeping true to what they advertized. It welcomed in my book.
Keep the ability to make your own class if you choose to
Keep the manuel attack, just make it more fun.

Manuel attack in DcUO is pretty fun, they made it similar to action games. You had a button for melee and one for ranged. You also had combos for various weapon skills. The L1 and r1 buttons handled you action bar abilities. Or it was L2 r2 i forget.

I don't want this game to be cookie cutter boring, and too much like ffxi. Some stuff from other ff titles are good if they put them in to be fun.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I hated ff12. I didn't mind the lack of auto attack that I think it had. But I hated the lazer targeting it looked stupid. And ff12 was a non mmo of ff11 set to ff tactics advance. ff12 was to easy to max out your character And I hated that grid system. '

Anything to help the game in keeping true to what they advertized. It welcomed in my book.
Keep the ability to make your own class if you choose to
Keep the manuel attack, just make it more fun.

Manuel attack in DcUO is pretty fun, they made it similar to action games. You had a button for melee and one for ranged. You also had combos for various weapon skills. The L1 and r1 buttons handled you action bar abilities. Or it was L2 r2 i forget.

I don't want this game to be cookie cutter boring, and too much like ffxi. Some stuff from other ff titles are good if they put them in to be fun.

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XII had an auto-attack, but (to me) it was much faster than XI's auto-attack.

And I also think you could toggle off the laser targetting.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

And I also think you could toggle off the laser targetting.

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Oh yeah you're right, I completely forgot about that. I should play through XII again, I think I'll do that this weekend.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I hated ff12. I didn't mind the lack of auto attack that I think it had. But I hated the lazer targeting it looked stupid. And ff12 was a non mmo of ff11 set to ff tactics advance. ff12 was to easy to max out your character And I hated that grid system. '

Anything to help the game in keeping true to what they advertized. It welcomed in my book.
Keep the ability to make your own class if you choose to
Keep the manuel attack, just make it more fun.

Manuel attack in DcUO is pretty fun, they made it similar to action games. You had a button for melee and one for ranged. You also had combos for various weapon skills. The L1 and r1 buttons handled you action bar abilities. Or it was L2 r2 i forget.

I don't want this game to be cookie cutter boring, and too much like ffxi. Some stuff from other ff titles are good if they put them in to be fun.

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the word you are looking for is "manual"

"Manuel" is a Spanish first name.

also, the zodiac system sounds way cooler that the license board.

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Originally Posted by SogiYa

the word you are looking for is "manual"

"Manuel" is a Spanish first name.

also, the zodiac system sounds way cooler that the license board.

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The word you're looking for is "douchebag". Some people don't have english as a first language. Furthermore if you want to highlight other people for their failings in written english, use some capital letters.

Aaaanyway, I don't think anyone means to shoe-horn the system in so it has the same flaws as those found in FF12 (Although the zodiac job system didn't suffer the same problems as the original in that respect to my knowledge?). But applying it to the game would certainly give much more of a "final-fantasy-style".

I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with but I think that system is a very good start. Also as long as we're talking about FF12, they should use some of the monster designs from it, they were awesome. I want to see Famfrit become an Eikon too!

that wasn't me bing dickish, the two words are painfully close in spelling.

phonetically manual probably should be spelled Manuel for all that the "ual" part of it comes out as "uhl" in every day speech, so I actually was trying to be helpful/edumacational. never know when something shows up on a test.

It's a really good suggestion. FF12 is nearly a solo-mmo. So why not adapt some things from it ? ^^

I agree... Final Fantasy XII ADB would be perfect for FFXIV. It would not only give a better battle system, but also a good system for PS3 users.
Also... SE should revise a little the battle BGM, its annoying when you kill enemies groups that the BGM ends when you KO a target and restarts when you target a new monster that has engaged you in battle.

FFXII battle system!!! Plzzz

Edit: Playing FFXII International Zodiac Job system. Its diferent than the original one. Not everyone may use or equip all equipments, it depends of the job choosen ^^

Can someone with knowledge of Japanese post this on the Japanese forums?

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Originally Posted by Sephr

There are already quite a few things reminiscent of FFXII (I believe the art director might be the same?) which I think is a very good thing. I love the similarities in art style and the semi-modern looking versions of armour coming out that seem similar to stuff in XII.

I do agree though, I always thought XI would've been great if it'd been made after XII and taken on some of it's gameplay aspects (not the targetting-eye-lasers mind, those got kind of annoying) it could've been a much more interesting game. Here we are in the next MMO after XII and it sort of feels like they forgot a lot of the neat things they'd done there, though obviously it's a lot harder to implement things in an MMO scenario than offline.

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Which semi-modern armor are you refering to? sounds interesting...

I think he is talking about the empire/empire looking people. lots of the emp soldiers milling around in the backgrounds had what I would term "plate tac" (modern tactical styled clothing/equipment made out of plate mail materials).