Phoenix Down / Expectorant, why bother...

This has been nagging me for long time, and the recent critical on my space issues has led me to finally ask this:

Why the heck making these items available, if you can't even use it in battles?

And most of all: why you let it be used in battlle while in 1.0, and not with ARR?

I remember these items became lifesaver especially back when doing Rivenroad content. Now? This items becomes ridiculously worthless. Even ppl selling them on NPC price at markets.

I wasn't even bother asking this long time ago. But it's now almost a year ARR running.

So... why? :(

haha ya. i had 1 on retainer, and 1 in inv, for a long time. i found someone dead, a few days ago, so i found a use for it after almost a year ^^
Maybe in another year i'll find a use for the other one.
The shittiest part is, you can only have one of them in your inv...unless they changed that, past half year or so.

That's kinda really lame excuse. Back in 1.0, when all healers in our party are incapacitated, one of us who brings these expectorant will immediately use it to revive healers, then they proceed to pop the emergency MP pots.

I was a bit pissed that I already npc 2 of them recently to make room for other things.

Yep, Ive still only done 1 of the quests with Phoenix Down as a reward since Elixir is worthless, and I don't want to just waste it (despite them having no practical use)

It would be better if having a Phoenix Down in your inventory functioned as a reraise.

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

It would be better if having a Phoenix Down in your inventory functioned as a reraise.

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that's what i thought it would do...but nope :)
or it would be good to save from a wipe at some point...nope.
save a random person, in the field...win.

I'm still hoping they use my suggestion for requiring it as a crafting mat for Phoenix themed equipment XD Breath still being held.....

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Originally Posted by ruinedmirage

I'm still hoping they use my suggestion for requiring it as a crafting mat for Phoenix themed equipment XD Breath still being held.....

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Likely wont happen, due to there being a limited number of them (3-4 per character?)

I like both reraise and mat for furniture idea.
Right now it feels like Phoenix Down is only in the game because it's Final Fantasy, not for the utility anymore.

Oh... o_O I forgot those were in game >.>

I can see why they're not letting us use those in battle, though.... Imagine how easy the already easy 95% of the content would be if anyone could raise. Most end-game fights are short and in dungeons if you wipe it's no biggie. You revive with no weakness, use the shortcut and attempt the short boss fight again.

I think its dumb to have one of these useless item ever as well

SE logic sometime unable to comprehending

Pheonix Down suppose to use raise the dead as intented but its not work as intented lol

I can use PD in previous FF games even in Bravely Default but not in FFXIV, wut?

Because SMNs will cry that they're no longer the special DPS utility snowflake for swiftcast raises.

Also SE doesn't want to give RMT another hand (despite having MATERIA of all things suddenly useful for your relic) probably. On top of making "must have phoenix downs or kick" parties of possible mechanic abuse of reraising a party to get through SOME KIND OF LAME MECHANIC of some sort if any.

Blahblahblah too afraid to deal with the potency of having everyone raise... and RMT.

In short... it's a useless overworld item.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Kind of useful in dungeons but mostly not because of the negatives of raise.

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If your near the start/checkpoint. People will just ask you to restart and come back instead of a raise... since having no weakness makes you less of a liability.
Or so a PLD tells me when I asked for a raise...

Though... might be useful for Odin/Behemoth if you haven't touched him yet and find your fcmate/lsmate on the ground, now that you make me think of it.

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Originally Posted by Nayto

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Kind of useful in dungeons but mostly not because of the negatives of raise.

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Originally Posted by Nayto

If your near the start/checkpoint. People will just ask you to restart and come back instead of a raise... since having no weakness makes you less of a liability.
Or so a PLD tells me when I asked for a raise...

Though... might be useful for Odin/Behemoth if you haven't touched him yet and find your fcmate/lsmate on the ground, now that you make me think of it.

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Only time I ever used my PD's was when the healer would die to the pull before Demon Wall and the tanks didn't have raise back when Demon Wall posed an issue.

i had an expectorant i got from a retainer once.

someone went AFK in my static during turn 5. he was close enough to be one-shot by the lock-out wall.


i think you know where this is going...

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

Oh... o_O I forgot those were in game >.>

I can see why they're not letting us use those in battle, though.... Imagine how easy the already easy 95% of the content would be if anyone could raise. Most end-game fights are short and in dungeons if you wipe it's no biggie. You revive with no weakness, use the shortcut and attempt the short boss fight again.

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err...

We are able to do that in 1.0, like I said before. And... it's not as easy as you think. If you ever fought Nael 1.0, you would know.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

i had an expectorant i got from a retainer once.

someone went AFK in my static during turn 5. he was close enough to be one-shot by the lock-out wall.


i think you know where this is going...

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lol that situation might be one of them. Still...

Why do you want to start engaging if one of you is AFKing? :?

Re-raise will probably never exist in this game, because people would run through dungeons without fighting a single mob and keep Re-raising up.

SE does not want this to happen.

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Why the heck making these items available, if you can't even use it in battles?

So... why? :(

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Sometimes items are just for flavor; fireworks, swimsuits, phoenix downs. I think the only reason the Phoenix Downs stick out so much as odd is because they're classically more important items, but I don't think there's anything wrong having them fulfill minor utility.

Particularly when MMOs usually turn all the old rules on their heads.

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

Sometimes items are just for flavor; fireworks, swimsuits, phoenix downs. I think the only reason the Phoenix Downs stick out so much as odd is because they're classically more important items, but I don't think there's anything wrong having them fulfill minor utility.

Particularly when MMOs usually turn all the old rules on their heads.

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Here's me quoting my 1st post:

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

And most of all: why you let it be used in battle while in 1.0, and not with ARR?

I remember these items became lifesaver especially back when doing Rivenroad content.

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Kinda weird on what you said on that last sentence though. Making useful item in old version becomes useless in new one?

How about making them an auto reraise while you are not in group. So you could use it as a backup while soloing maps with your chocobo.

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Originally Posted by ChaozK

How about making them an auto reraise while you are not in group. So you could use it as a backup while soloing maps with your chocobo.

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OMG a thousand times yes please.

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Originally Posted by HeroSamson

Re-raise will probably never exist in this game, because people would run through dungeons without fighting a single mob and keep Re-raising up.

SE does not want this to happen.

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It would make sense for WHM to have it on a long cooldown to prevent precisely that sort of use.

I would absolutely love if they made these usable in battle. Not to mention the nice profits Alchemists could make off of their new revamped status!

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

lol that situation might be one of them. Still...

Why do you want to start engaging if one of you is AFKing? :?

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because i can, and I'm not above screwing with my friends if we all can get a laugh out of it.