Companies.Do not let it be just another FFXI conquest.

Companies, so much mystery , so much hype.

I know i Know , is coming sometime, in the future.

Well im not impressed.This is extremely standard mechanics, nothing innovative or zomg look how new and cool is it.

Flame all you want but im gonna say it again. Dont let the initial vision of what companies were going to be follow the stamina road.I would be deeply sad.

Say ships is coming whatever,so far im not impressed.The point is to not give up on creating something new with companies.This will be the biggest selling point for FFXIV.

EDIT: DISCLAIMER since point didnt get across:

I am asking them to not give in into the "i want content now" group, and come up with more innovative and less standard/generic mechanics.1.18-1.2ish made the base now go up not linear.

The game isn't in a position to be innovative. Yes, it's standard. But the game lacked content to begin with.

It's a well welcome addition in my eyes and I'm enjoying it so far.

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The game isn't in a position to be innovative. Yes, it's standard. But the game lacked content to begin with.

It's a well welcome addition in my eyes and I'm enjoying it so far.

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So because people are " me want content now orz" they cant make companies into what they were supposed to be .
I can understand re-doing all thins that failed but killing it right before it came to live is a bit sad.Well i hope they dont erase the first directions on this.

The old idea for Companies were just a beefed up Linkshell. There's no reason they can't still do that. Personally, I'd end up bored more faster with the old Company than our current one.

The current one is just a quest hub for a dungeon , with a counter for points to buy stuf with (see guild marks vendor)

I cant think of anything more generic.But ill dig, is better than nothing.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Companies, so much mystery , so much hype.

I know i Know , is coming sometime, in the future.

Well im not impressed.This is extremely standard mechanics, nothing innovative or zomg look how new and cool is it.

Flame all you want but im gonna say it again. Dont let the initial vision of what companies were going to be follow the stamina road.I would be deeply sad.

Say ships is coming whatever,so far im not impressed.The point is to not give up on creating something new with companies.This will be the biggest selling point for FFXIV.

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You must realise, player run companies are differentiated from the NPC run ones.

Eventually we will get player run companies.

If we dont ill just go play Archeage

I definitely agree with you on that part. It is standard and generic. But it's something that has been missing from the game since day one.

Once the game gets it's footing, I hope to see more innovative stuff as you said.

What they were "suppose to be" was a vision under a FAILED editor... Yoshi-P has a new vision.. let him see that vision out.. so far he's rocking it! I just hope he listens to the JP players and not all the whiny westerners..

do you have any suggestions of how you'd like the new companies to be, OP? Or are you just complaining for the sake of it.

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What they were "suppose to be" was a vision under a FAILED editor... Yoshi-P has a new vision.. let him see that vision out.. so far he's rocking it! I just hope he listens to the JP players and not all the whiny westerners..

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If his "new vision" is copying ffxi, im not digging it.and just FYI im not from the west side of this planet.

Is unbelievable , something as simple as a quest hub with points for rewards and everyone is OMG HOW COOL ARE YOU u roxz.

Something as simple as a SFG flag , and we STILL dont have it.
Something as simple as a linkshell interface, not there.

But the guy puts in something comun for every single mmo in the planet and he has "a vision".

I have nothing against yoshi , i think he is doing it right one step at the time.

But you fanatics are really annoying.

As i said , im okay with waiting as long as they do not loose track , wich is the motive of my post , to not dig into the " me want content now " crew.But comments like yours are completely uncalled for.

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do you have any suggestions of how you'd like the new companies to be, OP? Or are you just complaining for the sake of it.

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There are zillion good ideas over the companies section in the forum wich i have contributed to my best abilities.
In here im just cheering them up to be innovative. I dont want so much basic/generic things planned out for later releases.

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If his "new vision" is copying ffxi, im not digging it.and just FYI im not from the west side of this planet.

Is unbelievable , something as simple as a quest hub with points for rewards and everyone is OMG HOW COOL ARE YOU u roxz.

Something as simple as a SFG flag , and we STILL dont have it.
Something as simple as a linkshell interface, not there.

But the guy puts in something comun for every single mmo in the planet and he has "a vision".

I have nothing against yoshi , i think he is doing it right one step at the time.

But you fanatics are really annoying.

As i said , im okay with waiting as long as they do not loose track , wich is the motive of my post , to not dig into the " me want content now " crew.But comments like yours are completely uncalled for.

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Fanatic? I had quit playing and went back to FFXI since launch because the game sucked.. I came back specifically to check it out after this patch and am very very happy that I'm going to keep playing.. I'm far from a fanatic.. well until Yoshi-P took over and is turning it into something their long time fans WANT. ya know those of us that actually have played their MMO's before.

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Fanatic? I had quit playing and went back to FFXI since launch because the game sucked.. I came back specifically to check it out after this patch and am very very happy that I'm going to keep playing.. I'm far from a fanatic.. well until Yoshi-P took over and is turning it into something their long time fans WANT. ya know those of us that actually have played their MMO's before.

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I played ffxi for 9 years , again stop thinking you know me, you dont.
That does not mean i want what i did there all over again here.

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I played ffxi for 10 years , again stop thinking you know me, you dont.
That does not mean i want what i did there all over again here.

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i find that hard since the game hasn't been out that long. What server that would mean you're JP and played on one of the original 20.. I was on one of the original 20.. I know what 20 servers it was.. I don't believe you.

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I played ffxi for 9 years , again stop thinking you know me, you dont.
That does not mean i want what i did there all over again here.

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You should practice what you preach..you just generalized him and then you tell him "stop acting like you know me " rofl you fail.

nice edit after you google'd and realized the game hadn't been out 10 years.. FAILBOAT TOOT TOOT ALL ABOARD!

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i find that hard since the game hasn't been out that long. What server that would mean you're JP and played on one of the original 5.. I was on one of the original 5.. I know what 5 servers it was.. I don't believe you.

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i started on 2002 i still go back, rarely.
I started on alexander until mid 2004 then moved to cerberus.
my char was called sephknight in cerberus server, before i got rid of it.Then just log on my taru maguz from time to time

But anyways what does that have to do anything i been saying.
Im saying they should do something new with companies and not same old everymmo has it crap.Do i need to have a degree or a fan hat to ask such a simple request?

I swear we got the hard end of ffxi community here.

How dare i.

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i started on 2002 i still go back, rarely.
I started on alexander until mid 2004 then moved to cerberus.
my char was called sephknight in cerberus server, before i got rid of it.Then just log on my taru maguz from time to time

But anyways what does that have to do anything i been saying.
Im saying they should do something new with companies and not same old everymmo has it crap.Do i need to have a degree or a fan hat to ask such a simple request?

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so it sounds like you played for 2 years and gave up... Unless you still have an active sub.. you have't played anywhere near 9 years... From what I gather from companies its going to be a mix of Assaults and City Missions.. Sounds pretty awesome to me!

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You should practice what you preach..you just generalized him and then you tell him "stop acting like you know me " rofl you fail.

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he did that to himself, saying they should deliver to the "fans".

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If his "new vision" is copying ffxi, im not digging it.and just FYI im not from the west side of this planet.

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The "west" refers to any non Asian country in terms of gaming demographics, which means Europe, Australia, the Americas and Mexico.

Also, what "conquest"? If you mean the conquest system from FFXI there were zero complaints about it as all it did was determine what NPCs sold what, how long your signet lasted and what gear you can buy from your nation under a specific rank.

Nothing is wrong with that. FFXI isn't the spawn of satan you people are making it out to be, which game failed? XIV or XI? Which game is going under a complete overhaul? XIV or XI? Which game has even the basics of the basics? They would do well to copy what XI did right, especially if they're going to be using a similar communication system as well as similar story setup.

Btw, your Elezen is from FFXI. It's the same company making an online mmorpg from the same series as FFXI (Final Fantasy), similarities will obviously be present, we rode chocobos in FFXI, so they shouldn't add them to XIV, yes? Everytime Square tries to do something different people instantly complain "THAT'S NOT HOW ITS DONE IN X, Y, Z MMO!"

So nothing will be 'innovative" as long as people decide to complain about everything.

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so it sounds like you played for 2 years and gave up... Unless you still have an active sub.. you have't played anywhere near 9 years... From what I gather from companies its going to be a mix of Assaults and City Missions.. Sounds pretty awesome to me!

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exactly ,but instead of reading the point, you prefer to act like i killed a puppy and preach some nonsense .

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The "west" refers to any non Asian country in terms of gaming demographics, which means Europe, Australia, the Americas and Mexico.

Also, what "conquest"? If you mean the conquest system from FFXI there were zero complaints about it as all it did was determine what NPCs sold what, how long your signet lasted and what gear you can buy from your nation under a specific rank.

Nothing is wrong with that. FFXI isn't the spawn of satan you people are making it out to be, which game failed? XIV or XI? Which game is going under a complete overhaul? XIV or XI? Which game has even the basics of the basics? They would do well to copy what XI did right, especially if they're going to be using a similar communication system as well as similar story setup.

Btw, your Elezen is from FFXI. It's the same company making an online mmorpg from the same series as FFXI (Final Fantasy), similarities will obviously be present, we rode chocobos in FFXI, so they shouldn't add them to XIV, yes? Everytime Square tries to do something different people instantly complain "THAT'S NOT HOW ITS DONE IN X, Y, Z MMO!"

So nothing will be 'innovative" as long as people decide to complain about everything.

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Way to miss the point.

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Way to miss the point.

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Then you have no point to make other than to complain about initial implementation of a system and saying it better not copy FFXI as you "don't want to do it all over again".

You can't miss a point that wasn't there.

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Then you have no point to make other than to complain about initial implementation of a system and saying it better not copy FFXI as you "don't want to do it all over again".

You can't miss a point that wasn't there.

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I worded it in a way you can understand on OP.

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Then you have no point to make other than to complain about initial implementation of a system and saying it better not copy FFXI as you "don't want to do it all over again".

You can't miss a point that wasn't there.

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i'm so glad that the people complaining are seriously the minority.. Last night after patch there was 20+ people on in my linkshell and there was only 1 person complaining and it was about SP from Behest and Leve's being to low.. That's a pretty rock solid patch to me..

I also never heard anyone complain about the story line missions which is what grand companies are suppose to be, in FFXI.. For most people, besides all of the end game, that was their FAVORITE part.. the stories are GREAT.. not everything has to be about ZOMG IT DIDN'T GIMMIE A PURP! WTF THIS SUCKS NO PURPZ!?!?111111

The story is what I'm after.. as long as the stories for grand companies rock, i'm happy!

I missed the entire conversation so far. But to comment on your original concern, I don't think Companies will be anything like FFXI conquest. Conquest was built on a nation vs. nation mentality. Which nation will come out on top this week? Everything I've read/heard about Company lore is that it's built on the concept of all the nations binding together for a common goal. Hell, even the art shows all 3 generals side by side facing the same direction. So yeah, I'm not concerned about it becoming a conquest type thing.

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i'm so glad that the people complaining are seriously the minority.. Last night after patch there was 20+ people on in my linkshell and there was only 1 person complaining and it was about SP from Behest and Leve's being to low.. That's a pretty rock solid patch to me..

I also never heard anyone complain about the story line missions which is what grand companies are suppose to be, in FFXI.. For most people, besides all of the end game, that was their FAVORITE part.. the stories are GREAT.. not everything has to be about ZOMG IT DIDN'T GIMMIE A PURP! WTF THIS SUCKS NO PURPZ!?!?111111

The story is what I'm after.. as long as the stories for grand companies rock, i'm happy!

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there can be story and to be honest the cs was cool.
With that said im expecting somethin new from this game, i played ffxi far to long. I just come back to 14 after i stoped playing a while ago and was hyped among other thins (my main priority was combat and i was pleasently surprised, altought needs a lot of polish and balancing)mainly about this new thin called companies being implemented.

I guess my expectations are to high for the player base here, but grand companies initiation failed way short for me.
And i express my discontent and ask of the new team to try different alternatives(like by example what they had in mind at start) for the direction of grand companies.
In a less nicer way than this i suppose.

but of course anyone who dont agree with every single thing the devs do is a hater .
This community i tell you.

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So because people are " me want content now orz" they cant make companies into what they were supposed to be .

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I sugest you come to terms with it.

I wouldn't worry too much about the original idea being completly removed forever as there will always be room for more content down the road. Right now, they're trying to get people back with framiliarity and basics and that shouldn't be cause to complain.

I personally don't care too much if content is inovative. As long as it's fun and improves whatever it derives from, I'll enjoy it.

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I missed the entire conversation so far. But to comment on your original concern, I don't think Companies will be anything like FFXI conquest. Conquest was built on a nation vs. nation mentality. Which nation will come out on top this week? Everything I've read/heard about Company lore is that it's built on the concept of all the nations binding together for a common goal. Hell, even the art shows all 3 generals side by side facing the same direction. So yeah, I'm not concerned about it becoming a conquest type thing.

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Yeah, it's more of a Campaign/Assault hybrid type system than conquest.

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I missed the entire conversation so far. But to comment on your original concern, I don't think Companies will be anything like FFXI conquest. Conquest was built on a nation vs. nation mentality. Which nation will come out on top this week? Everything I've read/heard about Company lore is that it's built on the concept of all the nations binding together for a common goal. Hell, even the art shows all 3 generals side by side facing the same direction. So yeah, I'm not concerned about it becoming a conquest type thing.

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Umm apart from the fact that you can join all 3 at the same time , at least IMO looks more like conquest with the qufim tower mission as the dungeon .i dont see the assault type of thin anywhere and is why i used the conquest reference.

Anyways, I still want to see something innovative out of companies since everything else have been scratched.

otherwise, this is just another mmo without anything new to show and is something i would hate.

There are other reasons to play a MMO besides innovation. Setting, story, the amalgimation of features that would normally not be together, friends, whatever tickles your fancy.
But like I said, don't worry about it too much.

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There are other reasons to play a MMO besides innovation. Setting, story, the amalgimation of features that would normally not be together, friends, whatever tickles your fancy.
But like I said, don't worry about it too much.

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I agree with that, but for a selling point.We need something unique.At least 1 thin.is not the point of selling it to me ,or to the people who are already here.but for everyone else need a catch and i think companies its the best selling point of it, so innovation should be focused there.I dont think just for being a Final fantasy game gonna cut it anymore.

Perhaps this is not the right time to think ahead .