Am I doing something wrong with Atma farming? I have not dropped a single item.

I am trying to get Atma items to upgrade my Relic weapon, but I have yet to obtain even a single one! In about 20 hours of game time over the course of the last couple of weeks, I've been doing FATEs to get this Atma stuff. Joining Atma farming parties helps, can do lots of them in a short time.


I have passed 500 FATEs completed since working on this, and haven't dropped a single item. Other people in my FC have completed all 12 in about 200, another at around 350. Other people in FATE parties drop 1 or 2 in a couple of hours. But I still don't have a single one.


Am I doing something wrong? I have my Zenith weapon and it is equipped while I'm doing the FATEs, and I'm doing the ones in the areas where it is supposed to drop.
Maybe something is bugged? I've never heard of that anywhere else, but I'm starting to think that something is preventing me from obtaining this item.

If you have the quest and are using the Zenith, is just RNG messing with you. I wish you luck o/

If your using Zenith it really is just RNG messing with you after I got 3 it took 118 hrs of fate farming to get my 4th got 4 in about 2 hrs after that and now RNGesus has forsaken me again stuck on the water-bearer for about 10 hrs so far

even if the drop rate is 1%, then statistically, I should have 5 of them by now

Statistics would state that. But statistics can be manipulated and if it took the amount of fates added up then yes you would be correct but the calculation works on a fate to fate basis. So yes you have a 1/100 chance to get one each time you do a fate sadly that's the basis. So because of how that works you could get 1 in 1 fate or never get one ever it's just how the rng gods work just keep at it you will get them in time each time you do a fate that's a higher chance then giving up

You unfortunately are on the same boat as many. You are the statistical probability that rolled a 1 on the dice every time. It's just bad luck. It took me about 400 fates to get my first one so I feel you here.

That's exactly why the RNG-based Animus FATE grind is sub par Game design. It is not about a matter of skills or at least endurance. You can do it as often and long as you can, it is still possible that you get nothing in the end. Why SE does not answer to the complaints and has no plans to change anything for now is just beyond me. RNG is the worst thing to have when it is about one of the best weapons in the Game. Thanks God I was more lucky but I still think it should be changed. Good luck to your endavours, OP. May the ATMAS be with you. ;)

As everyone before me said... Its all RNG. You are not doing anything wrong its just completely random on if it will drop or not for all 12

I'm starting to think that either I'm doing something wrong, or my character is bugged.
Because in terms of probability, it's highly unlikely for me to *not* have gotten an item by now.

If they have a 5% drop rate, then statistically speaking, you should get one every 20 FATEs. Even if the drop rate is 1%, then I should have at least 4 of them.

Whatever the case, this just isn't going to happen for me.
All of my friends have been doing this together, and they all progressed while I didn't.
My subscription ends at the end of this month (unfortunately before the next major update)
I'm probably not going to renew the subscription because of this

If they change the drop system for Atma items or there is some new feature that I'm interested in, then I might renew and start playing again.
Otherwise, I'm done with it, endgame content is terrible.

Another person quitting over Atma. Lovely.

I mean - I'm sorry to be that way.

But this game went from fun, to work, and then to punishment really fast.

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Originally Posted by The_Juggler

If they change the drop system for Atma items or there is some new feature that I'm interested in, then I might renew and start playing again.
Otherwise, I'm done with it, endgame content is terrible.

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I'm with you there. I raged hard last Thursday due to my shitty luck and haven't played the game once since then. I'm what you call a "no lifer" so I like to play 6+ hours every day, more like 10+ on days off from work. But due to 5 Atmas in 1,150 Fates, I just can't bring myself to log in anymore. My sub is up on the 26th, but I don't think I'll be back before then. I'll come back when they raise the drop rate, but only if that is before 2.4. I'm not coming back being 2 patches behind everyone else.

On another note, my daughters got me a gaming desktop PC for Father's Day. So I'm gonna use it to try out Wildstar and ESO while I'm holding a grudge against ARR. If either of those games tickle my fancy, I won't be back here, period.

Haters are gonna hate this post, but I think SE needs to know exactly why they are bleeding players, and why this is a very bad time to be letting that happen.

It's literally about luck. I got my very 1st Atma (Crab) on the 1st FATE I tried. I was averaging 1 Atma a day while having only 1 hour of grinding. After the 4th day I was not getting any. Then again I got 1 random one every other day. 2 days ago I got 2 Atmas of Scorpion on back to back FATES. I'm currently at 7 or 8 Atmas plus my extra Scorpion Atma. Personally I don't mind Atma farming. It gives something to do while out in the field or waiting on a Duty.

Yes - you're doing it "wrong". Atmas were never meant to be farmed or hunted for in atma parties or endless whole day FATE sessions - the desing is to collect them "randomly" as you happend to pass active FATE on your way to do something else. I've only recently started the Atma quest, got my first one just after two FATEs which I've joined only because they were active just right next to me. And I'll not "chase" or farm those so I might get it in about the same time as you but in effect spending about twenty times less griding actual boring FATEs and doing something else I do enjoy ...

It wasn't easy for most of us, hop in random fates as you pass them along the way to doing other things or limit yourself to just an hour a day if it makes the task more bearable.

I finally finished my 1st yesterday after approx 150hours (collectively) fating stick at it and do other things inbetween

If its this hard on you, then why are you doing it? Its even more of a grind to get to animus and novus.
Atma is 100% optional.

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Originally Posted by zemogFC

If its this hard on you, then why are you doing it? Its even more of a grind to get to animus and novus.
Atma is 100% optional.

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Living with a roof over your head is optional. Eating 3 meals a day is optional. Having people love us is optional.

But all of those things are things we want, so you might say there's no option. I want 12 Atma's, so it's no option for me.

And the Animus grind is NOT worse. I wouldn't care if I need 10k myth PER book, and have to run Sastasha 100 times. At least progress would be measurable and I would know exactly how long it would take me. I don't mind grinding when there's a goal in sight. Or when someone who plays 10% as much as me has a 90% less chance of finishing his before me.

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Originally Posted by zemogFC

If its this hard on you, then why are you doing it? Its even more of a grind to get to animus and novus.
Atma is 100% optional.

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You know what else is optional? Everything in the entire game. Relic is a story quest and people are excluded not by skill, but by an UNFAIR mechanic. Besides that it's the second most powerful weapon line in the game currently.

Story + Powerful weapon. Optional to obtain yes, but it's a major part of gearing up and doing Atma is NOT optional to get a Novus weapon.

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Originally Posted by HEC

Yes - you're doing it "wrong". Atmas were never meant to be farmed or hunted for in atma parties or endless whole day FATE sessions - the desing is to collect them "randomly" as you happend to pass active FATE on your way to do something else. I've only recently started the Atma quest, got my first one just after two FATEs which I've joined only because they were active just right next to me. And I'll not "chase" or farm those so I might get it in about the same time as you but in effect spending about twenty times less griding actual boring FATEs and doing something else I do enjoy ...

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Unfortunately with that mindset and his luck it'd be ~1 year before he went from Zenith to Animus.

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Originally Posted by HEC

... I've joined only because they were active just right next to me...

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I just realised my easier piece of ATMA (the only one) was obtained as above situation...
And days ago I got an Alex. in the same situation... (i got 0 from a few short farmings)

Take heed, SE. Your Atma design would lead some players to believe they are doing something wrong when they are not.

This is a direct effect of what you've caused through its implementation. Can you honestly say it's fine as is?

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Originally Posted by HEC

Yes - you're doing it "wrong". Atmas were never meant to be farmed or hunted for in atma parties or endless whole day FATE sessions - the desing is to collect them "randomly" as you happend to pass active FATE on your way to do something else. I've only recently started the Atma quest, got my first one just after two FATEs which I've joined only because they were active just right next to me. And I'll not "chase" or farm those so I might get it in about the same time as you but in effect spending about twenty times less griding actual boring FATEs and doing something else I do enjoy ...

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Except for a level 50 player with a Zenith (likely implying they are already at least decently geared) there is -zero god damned reason- to be out in the field passing by fates in the first place.

especially low level fates.

So you know, he may be doing it wrong, but that doesn't make the system right.

Just started grinding for these myself on Friday, it's Wednesday and I only have 2. They certainly didn't make them fun to collect that's for sure x_x

I feel for the OP, I know I was getting rather disheartened afte 3 1/2 days straight "no lifing" it before finding even 1. I'm sitting at 935 FATEs completed now, and have only done the bare minimum for quest completion, and animus books (I'm on my last book right now, so I'll end at 938 before reaching Animus), the rest was entirely to get my 12 atmas. It's NOT a fun piece of content, by far, I think it was one of those things that looked good on paper, but kinda suck in practice. I was able to push through and finish it after 12 years of playing Ragnarok Online though. collecting the cards to get a valkyrie helm was torture (0.01% drop chance).


My best word of advice is to not focus entirely on FATEs for this. I seemed to get them faster when I hopped into a fate between roulette queues, than when I just put the nose to the grind and went fate after fate after fate. I genuinely hope your luck turns around, to both the_juggler, and amy.neudaiz, and anyone else feeling disheartened.

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Originally Posted by givemeraptors

Unfortunately with that mindset and his luck it'd be ~1 year before he went from Zenith to Animus.

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And what's wrong with that? Enjoy the rest of the game. This isn't Final Fantasy Novus.

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Originally Posted by Eggnook24

And what's wrong with that? Enjoy the rest of the game. This isn't Final Fantasy Novus.

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Enjoy the rest of the game.

All 2 hours a week of that raid content.

Those incredibly deep facebook-game-esque Ventures!

The same dungeons over and over and over...and over again!

Compelling world bosses that you might see for about 30 seconds!

A deep and innovative crafting system (guffaw!)

And of course the engaging gathering system!

(And people wonder why the Relic being such a let down is a huge deal)

Edit- Almost forgot.

The completely fun and not at all nauseating Arena PvP beta!

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Enjoy the rest of the game.

All 2 hours a week of that raid content.

Those incredibly deep facebook-game-esque Ventures!

The same dungeons over and over and over...and over again!

Compelling world bosses that you might see for about 30 seconds!

A deep and innovative crafting system (guffaw!)

And of course the engaging gathering system!

(And people wonder why the Relic being such a let down is a huge deal)

Edit- Almost forgot.

The completely fun and not at all nauseating Arena PvP beta!

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If Novus is all that's driving you to play the game, that sucks... Time to take a break til 2.3 I guess.

You haven't heard of the roadblock that is atma farm? Really?! Seriously, though... RNG is pretty unforgiving on these damn stones. I wish you luck. I also wish you sanity for the trials to come.

1% drop rate doesn't guarantee you will get one every 100. Such small percentages can take 1000s of samples before the actual % chance actually manifests.

Same boat. I've spent between 1 and 2 hours nearly every day to farm Atma since 2.2 launched and only have 4 Atma to show for it. I know a FC mate that has 2 Animus. I don't see how some people have such incredible luck with the percentages as they are. Forcing players to FATE grind if you want to upgrade from Zenith with a 1% drop chance was a foolish decision. I'm not saying I want instant gratification. I have absolutely no issues with working hard to get a great item. But this doesn't require any sort of skill to get. It's 100% luck. It doesn't matter how good a player you are. You can get Atma in a short time if you're luck is GODLY or like the majority only get a few and then never see them again. It's poor design. It's not fun or engaging.

Hey, it's all to help you toward the Destiny's Child achievement and your Paragon's Gown! :D

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Another person quitting over Atma. Lovely.

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ff14 is like a fine steak dinner, with atma farming being the literal turd in the middle, ruining the taste once you get into the meat of the meal.

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Originally Posted by Buffo_The_Clown

ff14 is like a fine steak dinner, with atma farming being the literal turd in the middle, ruining the taste once you get into the meat of the meal.

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Horrible mental image. Brb while I wash out my mouth

I'm not doing atma.
I'll try my luck with the coils and see if I get the unidentified allagan stone and save up soldiery.