GW2 Vistas?

Hello there!

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While I understand how hard it must be to think about innovations in MMOs and not copying something from another game..

I am pretty sure so far lots of people gave some suggestions to improve the game.

While not all of them might be decent, I sincerely hope you take two minutes to browse through them.

With the patch 2.28 now in place.. "Using the Sightseeing Log, players can explore the realm and compile a comprehensive record of the breathtaking landscapes and stunning vistas of Eorzea"

Yup, same as GW2 Vistas, where you need to do the exact thing to get the exact result.

Now, don't take me wrong here, this game's best feature for me is the graphical part of it.

So it will be nice to view around.

--> But can you come with your own ideas?

Rehashing the old stuff (Fates, Fates and Fates - which seems to be taken as well from Dynamic events in GW2?), or to take the same stuff from another game to call it your own, ain't much into the innovation we are trying to expect from such a nice game that is Final Fantasy XIV: ARR.

Please do impress us!

I know E3 is coming, we might have new content (dungeons, classes/job so new skills, new maps)

I will conclude my judgement once the big expansion will be coming around.

Gold saucer will be a good thing to look forward so we will overlook the rest that is 'repetitive and the same'..

Until then, I'll go back to get some 6000 myth left for my animus..

Thank you for reading and to keep us entertained, not falling into boredom..

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EDIT: Seems somes are already in the game experiencing it ^^ http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...74-Sightseeing...

I'm sorry, but Vista is a word. It means "view" or "sight".

That's like saying someone using "Sword" and gasping that Lord of the Rings had a weapon called a "Sword" too and thus unoriginal...

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Originally Posted by Surian

I'm sorry, but Vista is a word. It means "view" or "sight".

That's like saying someone using "Sword" and gasping that Lord of the Rings had a weapon called a "Sword" too and thus unoriginal...

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You missed the point about his rant >.>

On topic, I don't really care that they rehashed other games' content as long as it's well done and/or improved and built upon.

IMO GW2 did everything right.... Before endgame. When I hit 80,on my first character, I thought to myself "Now What?" After leveling 2 more characters to 80 and getting sick of fractals/WvWvW, I left for something else.

To see SE reuse the actually good content from GW2 is interesting to say the least (except FATEs. I have no reason to do them)

Uh.... this kind of achievement is found in quite a lot of games. And that is because it is actually a fun concept to complete.

I know, shocking....

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Originally Posted by Surian

I'm sorry, but Vista is a word. It means "view" or "sight".

That's like saying someone using "Sword" and gasping that Lord of the Rings had a weapon called a "Sword" too and thus unoriginal...

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Reporting you for using the word "sword".

Hey, I would like them to copy more content from other MMOs, and since you mentioned GW2, I would love to have some jumping puzzles. Did you see how people in Mor Dhona love to climb their way up to these ropes? Some players like that. And I don't mind if they copy content as long as its fun. They'll add up some original content, that's for sure, but borrowing stuff from other MMOs is very common nowdays.

Well gw2 vistas were marked on the map an had a gigantic beacon of light to guide players to them. I'm hoping the ones in ff14 don't...

Better call Saul.

I think it's more scavange-hunt-y than big glowing sign that says OVER HERE like a waymarker. Sometimes borrowing from other games isn't so bad as long as it's not 100% copy.

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Originally Posted by Lokgar

Well gw2 vistas were marked on the map an had a gigantic beacon of light to guide players to them. I'm hoping the ones in ff14 don't...

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These can be pretty hard to find, you wont know if you are in the right spot until a message appears in the chat box.
These spots are very tiny and moving about 2 steps can take you out of it.

community asks for jumping puzzles. SE gives jumping puzzles. community rants. pretty consistent post patch activity.

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

--> But can you come with your own ideas?

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SE has had jumping puzzles since the mid 90s. See Tomb Raider for the PS1 (published by Eidos which is now SE).

Assasin's Creed 4 also had synchronization points which were exactly the same as vistas. Game developers "steal" ideas from each other all the time, I don't see what's the big deal.

The originality died with 1.0.

Playerbase wanted fan service.
Playerbase got fan service.

Have fun XP

If I remember correctly, Brutal Legend had "vistas". OMG GW2 COPEEEEED BROOOTAL LEGENDZ!!

Seriously though. Stuff like this has been in games since the dawn of like, forever. We have them because it is something else to do, and something that many people find fun. Nothing wrong with adding new things to do. I'd be more annoyed if they didn't add new features. But no-one forces you to do them in any case.

If they are in the mood to be taking ideas from GW2, please oh please oh please, let them adopt the storage system for crafting materials.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

If they are in the mood to be taking ideas from GW2, please oh please oh please, let them adopt the storage system for crafting materials.

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But then who will buy retainers? D:

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Originally Posted by Razzle

But then who will buy retainers? D:

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/shakesfist

If they are going to borrow from other games... how about taking from EQ 1 LDON and have dynamic instances?

(Not that I have a problem with Vistas, it seems nice)

Playerbase: We want more content that will draw us out into the world!
SE: Okay how about sightseeing?

Playerbase: Booo! you are just copying other games.

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Seriously, who cares if it's like something in another game. If it's fun, just go with it.

I actually think it will be cool :) Nothing wrong with taking ideas from other games if they work well and add some new flavor.

Heya guys, thanks for your input.

I will enjoy for sure all that SE will bring to us. And true, in every type of games, lots are copied from others.

I want them to come up with something no one else has.. just imagine how we can boast and protect 'our game' versus the rest of the world!

And then.. more people will join our Frontline forces -> more revenue for SE -> more and mroe contents!

I will get my apkallu, I am an achiever. And yes except my GF, I enjoyed GW2 jumping puzzles ^^

Someone stated to inventory from GW2: I'm all for it! Man, with 4 Retainers, it takes a whole day to sort them out >.<

So when I read this, I'm like: been done elsewhere, will be fun, but not impressed.

That is the point I wanted to make.

Thank you for reading.

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

I want them to come up with something no one else has.. just imagine how we can boast and protect 'our game' versus the rest of the world!

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And yet I liked the vista jumping puzzles in gw2. Im glad they added some more fun fluff to the game.

But this game has jumping! Super mario clone omgwtfbbqhddvd!

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

--> But can you come with your own ideas?

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I actually don't see the problem. Have you ever done hunting logs? They take you to various parts of the world, lovingly crafted by the 3d modelers of Eorzea.

Did you know that there is an awesome Cathedral in East Shroud? The place is huge, with a pool and lots of plants and other decorations. The place is totally unique yet not even Hunting Logs will take you there.

There is also a huge Crystal formation at Southern La Noscea, you'll only go there if you do certain Hunting Logs or levequests or just like to explore.

There are tons of beautiful Vistas around Eorzea. I've always wondered if they could get more people to see them, it's such a waste to neglect them like that. This Visa Log is awesome

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Originally Posted by Raestloz

I actually don't see the problem. Have you ever done hunting logs? They take you to various parts of the world, lovingly crafted by the 3d modelers of Eorzea.

Did you know that there is an awesome Cathedral in East Shroud? The place is huge, with a pool and lots of plants and other decorations. The place is totally unique yet not even Hunting Logs will take you there.

There is also a huge Crystal formation at Southern La Noscea, you'll only go there if you do certain Hunting Logs or levequests or just like to explore.

There are tons of beautiful Vistas around Eorzea. I've always wondered if they could get more people to see them, it's such a waste to neglect them like that. This Visa Log is awesome

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Please review my post before answering; You would have seen that I said this game's best feature is the graphics. Thank you ^^

What is hunting logs? A big chunk of wood that you use for killing mobs around?

/sarcasm - There will be lots of fun from this and other feature coming soon.

My point (here I go again), is that I want them to come up with ideas no other MMORPGs made up to this point, nothing taken from the past, but totally new.

Doesn't mean to say it won't be fun (except the 'dynamic events' or Fates here - which is abused and squished to the very last drop)

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

My point (here I go again), is that I want them to come up with ideas no other MMORPGs made up to this point, nothing taken from the past, but totally new.

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Better hope they get rid of quests then. And swords. And shields. And hotbars. And chat windows. And dungeons.... I could go on.

It's an MMORPG. It's going to have things that MMORPGs have already. And really if we're honest, it's incredibly hard to innovate in MMORPGs these days. There's not a lot else that can be included in these games that isnt already at least similar to what exists in other games. Thats why most new MMORPGs die on their asses - because they're always branded as an imitation or clone.

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Originally Posted by Raestloz

There are tons of beautiful Vistas around Eorzea. I've always wondered if they could get more people to see them, it's such a waste to neglect them like that. This Visa Log is awesome

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I know! Even the view on the bridge at Lower La Noscea near Moraby Drydocks is so breathtaking. I normally ran past it when farming FATE for atmas but when I stopped to look around recently I just realized it was such a beautiful place. I also really enjoy the Burgundy Falls - Burning Wall area in Eastern Thanalan. That whole area is just so beautiful but no one ever visit it except to finish the FATE needed for animus book there lol.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

Hey, I would like them to copy more content from other MMOs, and since you mentioned GW2, I would love to have some jumping puzzles.

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You mean like Parradamo Tor?

This is a nice addition indeed (i wanted it).

Only SE could manage to copy something from another game and take out everything that made that enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

Please review my post before answering; You would have seen that I said this game's best feature is the graphics. Thank you ^^

My point (here I go again), is that I want them to come up with ideas no other MMORPGs made up to this point, nothing taken from the past, but totally new.

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I never said anything about "graphics". "Graphics" is little tidbits about shadows, texture resolutions, texture filtering, stuff like that. I was talking about the actual 3D models of the world. When you say "it has good graphics", you mean "the texture resolution is high, the lighting is great, the shadows look natural, and the effects are visually nice", when I said "Vista", I mean "this cathedral is artistically nice".

/think Oh wait, you wouldn't know anything about it, would you? No, of course you don't /grin

I don't see the point of "please don't use anything everyone else is using". Well brace yourself son, this game actually USES ATTRIBUTES! Been used by Everquest since the days of yore. Well, better ditch that. Hey, this game uses class system! Everquest had that, better ditch that thing. Hey, this game uses quest, Everquest had that! Better ditch that thing. Cutscenes? WoW had that. Ditch that too. Voiced NPCs? WoW had that, ditch. Class switching on the fly? FFXI had that, ditch.

/shrug

Your point is, totally, in and of itself, moot. What FFXIV needs is not something that is unique, but something that is good. Something good may very well be unique (such as, I think, the current crafting system, no MMOs have crafters that craft using skills, much less cross-class). Something unique may not be good

And this Vista Log, this is GOOD, mainly because Eorzea DOES have tons of vistas that are oft overlooked, and those vistas are GOOD. Heck, it could serve as backdrops for those screenshot masters

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Only SE could manage to copy something from another game and take out everything that made that enjoyable.

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They also took GW2's DE idea too. [Or Rift...I only played GW2]
and DE's were extremely fun and original to me. I played GW2 up to to 40 because of it.
Like I said on the other topic. SS and puzzle jumps were fun in GW2. It doesn't work well
here. It's something that should of been added at day one. We've seen all the stuff already in the tiny zones we have.

Still I always welcome Fluff content but this could of be done way better.

It was never SE's intention to make ARR original or innovative. The purpose was to turn a dead game around and make a profit for the company. They achieved this by using concepts that work and are proven successful in other games, and by feeding off of peoples' FF nostalgia by using old references.

News flash, OP. The Gold Saucer that you're looking forward to is used in another game, also. Thought I'd let you know first.

I am sorry, but unless the Sightseeing Log includes a full blown Panoramic Fly-Away Cut Scene whenever you discover one of these Vista's, then it is not the same thing as GW2's Vista Points.

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Originally Posted by Surian

I'm sorry, but Vista is a word. It means "view" or "sight".

That's like saying someone using "Sword" and gasping that Lord of the Rings had a weapon called a "Sword" too and thus unoriginal...

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Er, more accurately it would be like saying someone used the word "Spear" and gasping that the Cavemen had weapons we recognize today as "Spears" too and thus anyone using the word "Spear" is thus unoriginal.

By this logical fallacy, nothing in this entire world could be considered original, as it has all been done before at least once, by someone. The exception being when some mad genius invents something completely random and new that no one in all of recorded and unrecorded history has ever thought of before. Which doesn't happen nearly as often as most people like to think.

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Originally Posted by ruinedmirage

News flash, OP. The Gold Saucer that you're looking forward to is used in another game, also. Thought I'd let you know first.

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yeah, another Final Fantasy Game. Square-Enix gets free license to infringe on any trademarks they themselves own you do realize that don't you? It should be obvious this is the case seeing as how Crystal Tower is present in this game, and CT is originally from Final Fantasy III. And when it's put that way, we could end up seeing content in this game taken straight out of Chrono-Trigger/Cross or similar series. Now that would be a laugh.

Wonder what Eorzea would do if Lavos made it's way there... That's one Eldritch Abomination I would just rather not have to deal with all things considered. Given that you basically needed to have New Game+ Save Data in Chrono-Trigger to stand even remotely a little bit of a chance against him, I honestly don't think any of our characters would be capable of standing up to Lavos. And if he were in FFXI, he would make the original Pandemonium Warden fight (you know, the 18 hour fight that didn't get anyone anywhere?) look like child's play.

The only thing Lavos was really good at being, was a Reality Warping Planet Eater. He really served no other purpose in any of the games he has been in than that. Even Cthulu serves more purpose.

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Originally Posted by Tharian

yeah, another Final Fantasy Game. Square-Enix gets free license to infringe on any trademarks they themselves own you do realize that don't you? It should be obvious this is the case seeing as how Crystal Tower is present in this game, and CT is originally from Final Fantasy III. And when it's put that way, we could end up seeing content in this game taken straight out of the Chrono-Trigger series. Now that would be a laugh.

Wonder what Eorzea would do if Lavos made it's way there... That's one Eldritch Abomination I would just rather not have to deal with all things considered.

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Sorry if the joke kind of flew over your head. The last bit was added as sarcasm, since the OP didn't want "rehashed" content. But I'm glad the first part isn't under dispute, so no worries. If they decided to blasphemize on Chrono Trigger's reputation (even more so than Chrono Cross's story and cast), then this game would be shoved in a very, very dark corner for me. That's a personal opinion, by the way. /disclaimer

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Originally Posted by ruinedmirage

Sorry if the joke kind of flew over your head. The last bit was added as sarcasm, since the OP didn't want "rehashed" content. But I'm glad the first part isn't under dispute, so no worries. If they decided to blasphemize on Chrono Trigger's reputation (even more so than Chrono Cross's story and cast), then this game would be shoved in a very, very dark corner for me. That's a personal opinion, by the way. /disclaimer

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meh, I could go either way. Not that I would be willing to fight Lavos again. That took an intense amount of patience from me the first time, and I really wouldn't be looking forward to seeing the MMO incarnation of that thing. But I would be interested in the Time Travel aspects of the series being introduced. I mean how cool would it actually be to get to see Ancient Allag in person? Or meet the Tonberries before they became the Tonberries? There are so many things that could be done with a Time Travel component to this game. And its not like it hasn't been done in a Final Fantasy game before (cough::CrystalWarEra::cough).

Not to mention, introducing Time Travel would mean allowing those of us who aren't actually Legacy Players to actually get to see the Legacy Storyline first hand instead of having to watch it through second hand youtube videos and stuff like that.

New, innovative, or different is not synonymous with good.