We all know too much Skill Speed can possibly lead to TP Starvation, therefore potentially acting as a detriment to our DPS during prolonged encounters...
It's been discussed in length, we've talked about you, we've tried to get you (SE) to talk about it...
Now is really the time.
I don't want to blow a ton of resources & time toward replacing all the SS from my Animus just to have it go to waste.
So can we please get an official word right away Dev's?
Will SS be improved to additionally scale TP regeneration or not?
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06-05-2014, 05:54 PMGesserTell us if you're upgrading SS or not... prior to us Removing it all from our Animi
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06-05-2014, 06:04 PMServerCollaps
why should it?
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06-05-2014, 06:09 PMDano
if it's improved in the future you can always do the scroll again to revert back. I don't think any dev can give you a straight answer though and whats the point in investing in SS now since you already know it's not good? Also, there're sidegrades you can utilize for the time being.
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06-05-2014, 06:14 PMGesser
I'm aware I can do the sphere scroll over again... it sounds sounds (all speculation) like it'll be horrible to have to do so. And the discussion on Skill Speed & dev requests on its behalf have gone on long enough (imo).
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06-05-2014, 06:24 PMNero
TP could be an actual Problem? So finally some micro-management with my TP, which i hardly ever run out with? AWESOME.. i want! :D
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06-05-2014, 06:26 PMGesserTry Second Coil wearing heavy SS without a Bard to act as your personal Paeon drone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
If you know how to play Monk right, too much SS will deplete your TP during long encounters if you're optimizing skill output. -
06-05-2014, 06:31 PMAlkimi
Yeah, played optimally on a static target most dps jobs will run out of TP in around 4 minutes, that's with using Invigorate aswell. Skill Speed IS a dps increase, despite what a lot of people think, but it's a bigger drain on your resources which becomes apparent in loger fights. It's currently the worst off stat for DRG/MNK/BRD for those reasons and you should probably stay away from it until it maybe gets adjusted.
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06-05-2014, 06:32 PMNeroT6+ is fine on SS, since there are a lot "downtimes", where you avoid mechanics/forced to stop for a short period of time. IF i could go apeshit and all out on the boss, then i would have an serious TP Issue. But for now Invig is there and up again as soon as i need it, since those little "downtimes" are enough to regerenate my TP fast enough. Having a Bard does help a lot of course, but BRD has its Paeon for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gesser
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06-05-2014, 06:32 PMKikosho
T8 is probably the only turn in second coil where too much SS can really TP starve you. The other turns have plenty of TP breaks. Regardless of that, should the devs ever actually address SS in any fashion, it most likely will be during a content cycle where Novus will be outdated.
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06-05-2014, 06:35 PMAeoraThis ^ I dropped SS for Crit / Det - It hasn't affected my DPS at all really, but my TP management is not an issue anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by Gesser
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06-05-2014, 06:40 PMNeroI don't have experienced T8, but i know the fight and can see how there is an TP Issue. But also, wouldn't that make BRD Songs more useful so BRD's actually start using their songs? For now there are times where the answer would be "Why would i cast a song? It is not needed".Quote:
Originally Posted by Kikosho
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06-05-2014, 06:46 PMAlkimiThe thing is, BRD's MP pool is better used on Requiem for that fight. You need all the damage you can get. BRD's will use Paeon for a bit, but only really to tide you over until Invigorate is back up, the song also reduces their own damage by 20%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
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06-05-2014, 06:50 PMRyansWell they said that you can't redo the scroll in this patch, so that isn't an option yet. As for skill speed making you run out of tp, it hasn't happened to me yet on dragoon in any of the coils and the soldiery gear is loaded with it. Turn 8 seems to be the most tp draining fight in the game so far and it is easily manageable with invigorate and a bard actually uses the tp song occasionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gesser
So aside from the tp issue that could arise (which doesn't actually arise) the only other issue would be the stat conversion rate. Even that isn't an issue, however, as they have stats valued in comparison to other stats. You might get more benefit point for point from determination, but you also get less of it from gear. Using that Gae Bolg Novus as an example, if you keep the acc stat conversion in crit (as they did, the 40 acc on animus would be 44 on novus. It was just turned into crit) and convert the crit from animus into determination on novus, you would only get 22 determination instead of the 31 crit. Dps-wise, that is about the same. The only real benefit from the stat customization would be from altering the accuracy depending on if you are at the cap or not. -
06-05-2014, 06:54 PMNeroSounds fine to me, since with higher SS the other DPS will pull out more DMG after all. So it could even out and while BRD does less dmg, the other DD's will do more. Have to actually test it out, to see if the proper SS amount will encounter the lost BRD damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alkimi
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06-05-2014, 06:58 PMRyansBards and tanks need tp also so the song isn't only for the melee. Even 10 seconds of the tp song is enough to counter the natural tp drain of combos by at least a minute. Add in the fact that the most tp expensive job is monk and that they also do significantly more damage than bards... hell any class for that matter, wouldn't you rather have them doing full damage for as long as possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alkimi
Requiem is nice if you have a summoner I suppose, but blackmage isn't exactly competing in turn 8 damage at the moment. -
06-05-2014, 07:01 PMGesser
Bringing a Bard along shouldn't be 'required' though to make up for a poorly designed statistic.