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    Tell us if you're upgrading SS or not... prior to us Removing it all from our Animi

    We all know too much Skill Speed can possibly lead to TP Starvation, therefore potentially acting as a detriment to our DPS during prolonged encounters...

    It's been discussed in length, we've talked about you, we've tried to get you (SE) to talk about it...

    Now is really the time.

    I don't want to blow a ton of resources & time toward replacing all the SS from my Animus just to have it go to waste.

    So can we please get an official word right away Dev's?

    Will SS be improved to additionally scale TP regeneration or not?
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    Mikon Chozo
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    why should it?
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    Danorille Pandemonium
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    if it's improved in the future you can always do the scroll again to revert back. I don't think any dev can give you a straight answer though and whats the point in investing in SS now since you already know it's not good? Also, there're sidegrades you can utilize for the time being.
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    I'm aware I can do the sphere scroll over again... it sounds sounds (all speculation) like it'll be horrible to have to do so. And the discussion on Skill Speed & dev requests on its behalf have gone on long enough (imo).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gesser View Post
    I'm aware I can do the sphere scroll over again... it sounds sounds (all speculation) like it'll be horrible to have to do so. And the discussion on Skill Speed & dev requests on its behalf have gone on long enough (imo).
    Well they said that you can't redo the scroll in this patch, so that isn't an option yet. As for skill speed making you run out of tp, it hasn't happened to me yet on dragoon in any of the coils and the soldiery gear is loaded with it. Turn 8 seems to be the most tp draining fight in the game so far and it is easily manageable with invigorate and a bard actually uses the tp song occasionally.

    So aside from the tp issue that could arise (which doesn't actually arise) the only other issue would be the stat conversion rate. Even that isn't an issue, however, as they have stats valued in comparison to other stats. You might get more benefit point for point from determination, but you also get less of it from gear. Using that Gae Bolg Novus as an example, if you keep the acc stat conversion in crit (as they did, the 40 acc on animus would be 44 on novus. It was just turned into crit) and convert the crit from animus into determination on novus, you would only get 22 determination instead of the 31 crit. Dps-wise, that is about the same. The only real benefit from the stat customization would be from altering the accuracy depending on if you are at the cap or not.
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    TP could be an actual Problem? So finally some micro-management with my TP, which i hardly ever run out with? AWESOME.. i want!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero View Post
    TP could be an actual Problem? So finally some micro-management with my TP, which i hardly ever run out with? AWESOME.. i want!
    Try Second Coil wearing heavy SS without a Bard to act as your personal Paeon drone.

    If you know how to play Monk right, too much SS will deplete your TP during long encounters if you're optimizing skill output.
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    Last edited by Gesser; 06-05-2014 at 06:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gesser View Post
    Try Second Coil wearing heavy SS without a Bard to act as your personal Paeon drone.

    If you play your class right, too much SS will deplete your TP during long encounters if you're optimizing skill output.
    T6+ is fine on SS, since there are a lot "downtimes", where you avoid mechanics/forced to stop for a short period of time. IF i could go apeshit and all out on the boss, then i would have an serious TP Issue. But for now Invig is there and up again as soon as i need it, since those little "downtimes" are enough to regerenate my TP fast enough. Having a Bard does help a lot of course, but BRD has its Paeon for a reason.
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    Shae'ah Solaris
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gesser View Post
    Try Second Coil wearing heavy SS without a Bard to act as your personal Paeon drone.

    If you know how to play Monk right, too much SS will deplete your TP during long encounters if you're optimizing skill output.
    This ^ I dropped SS for Crit / Det - It hasn't affected my DPS at all really, but my TP management is not an issue anymore
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    Alkimi Asura
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    Yeah, played optimally on a static target most dps jobs will run out of TP in around 4 minutes, that's with using Invigorate aswell. Skill Speed IS a dps increase, despite what a lot of people think, but it's a bigger drain on your resources which becomes apparent in loger fights. It's currently the worst off stat for DRG/MNK/BRD for those reasons and you should probably stay away from it until it maybe gets adjusted.
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