Please consider revising combat mechanics

-"Out of range" while playing a melee class was ridiculous in FFXI a decade ago. The fact that you can still chase after certain things at the same speed and not be able to activate abilities must be fixed.

-Casters should pivot to face moving targets as they cast a spell. You can bind a key to turn your character as you cast -- there's no reason that this shouldn't be done automatically.

-1, 2, 3 combos are boring and way too present in FFXIV. Combos should reduce TP cost, not increase damage. If I want to use Rage of Halone 3 times in a row for full effect, I should be able to. The consequence should be absurdly inefficient TP cost.

-There is next to 0 interaction between team mates during battle. There should be some system to test coordination between team mates that is not fight mechanic dependant.

-Damage of Time spells need to not combine and be clearly marked. It is far too difficult to tell how DoT clipping is affecting your DPS. I can't even tell how much damage my DoTs are even doing in party settings because they just roll into everyone else's.

Unsubbed just now but because of other reasons.
Playing at may (at beta 3)
3 months Cant pass brayflox and aurum vales because of stupid reflex/latency dependent mechanics. No point to play more this version of Final Fantasy game - is nothing fun to miserably lost to latency and action game mechanics for person who in 28 years of play time NEVER played action games = hate action games and look in Final fantasy ONLY for JRPG game style...

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Originally Posted by KalSki

Cant pass brayflox and aurum vales because of stupid reflex/latency dependent mechanics.

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there is barely any reflex machanics is braflox or aurum vale lol

brayflox -
1st boss - only tnk needs to dodge, an he prolly dont even hav to do that
2nd boss - kill poison bubbles on pt members
3rd boss, stay out of poison an keep boss out of poison, tnk dodge aoes

simple

AV -
1st boss - eat fruit @ 2 stacks of poison, tnk dodge aoe (doesnt even have to do that)
2nd boss - this is the only boss where u have to dodge something, when boss grabs club with both hands run far away as u can get, when boss looks at you sidestep out of his line of sight to dodge lazer
3rd boss - eat fruit @ 3 stacks of poison, aoe eggs down asap, tnk dodge aoes

simple

I agree that the game needs more interactive mechanics.. Not to bring FFXI into this, but weapon skills were always an interesting mechanic that I felt really made an otherwise bland combat system really dynamic. Mind you I'm not an endgame veteran of XI, but I see no reason why FFXIV can't own that CONCEPT and make it work within the parameters of the system they built. To clarify, I by no means want weapon skills to be directly translated, but an interactive component like that can be revised and reinvented as an "innovative" future mechanic.

On a quick glance I see no reason why the job specific skills can't be built in a similar manner. The CD's and the specificity of these skills would work well for limiting spam and it allows for job specific contribution to the party's composition.

EX.

Dragon Flare

BLM (Flare) + DRG (Dragon Fire Dive) = Deals a fire based attack that deals a burst attack with the potency of 500 following a successful combo, limited by a 300 sec recast. (Dragonfire Dive)

It's hardly brilliant, but these are the types of modest additions that I hope to see when pushing the game play forward in subsequent updates. It would be rather simple to implement with the current game, beyond balancing and recoding.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

-1, 2, 3 combos are boring and way too present in FFXIV. Combos should reduce TP cost, not increase damage. If I want to use Rage of Halone 3 times in a row for full effect, I should be able to. The consequence should be absurdly inefficient TP cost.

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Originally Posted by Illiad

I agree that the game needs more interactive mechanics.. Not to bring FFXI into this, but weapon skills were always an interesting mechanic that I felt really made an otherwise bland combat system really dynamic.

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Not sure how "auto-attack until 100% TP > use weapon skill (usually always the same one) > repeat" could be considered dynamic.

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Originally Posted by DoubleT

there is barely any reflex machanics is braflox or aurum vale lol

brayflox -
1st boss - only tnk needs to dodge, an he prolly dont even hav to do that
2nd boss - kill poison bubbles on pt members
3rd boss, stay out of poison an keep boss out of poison, tnk dodge aoes

simple

AV -
1st boss - eat fruit @ 2 stacks of poison, tnk dodge aoe (doesnt even have to do that)
2nd boss - this is the only boss where u have to dodge something, when boss grabs club with both hands run far away as u can get, when boss looks at you sidestep out of his line of sight to dodge lazer
3rd boss - eat fruit @ 3 stacks of poison, aoe eggs down asap, tnk dodge aoes

simple

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There are four bosses in Brayflox technically aren't there?

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Originally Posted by KalSki

Unsubbed just now but because of other reasons.
Playing at may (at beta 3)
3 months Cant pass brayflox and aurum vales because of stupid reflex/latency dependent mechanics

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im sorry, but if you are stuck at those places, the game may not be for you. your problems sound closer to inability to learn/adapt to situations.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

-Casters should pivot to face moving targets as they cast a spell. You can bind a key to turn your character as you cast -- there's no reason that this shouldn't be done automatically.

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Uh, no. Why should it be made easier, when it's already easy to do as is?

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Originally Posted by reality_check

-Damage of Time spells need to not combine and be clearly marked. It is far too difficult to tell how DoT clipping is affecting your DPS. I can't even tell how much damage my DoTs are even doing in party settings because they just roll into everyone else's.

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As much as this would be nice, it's not going to happen due to how the game itself is designed. First of all, your DoTs don't lump with other people's DoTs, only your own. And the reason for this is the tick time is server controlled at a fixed 3 seconds. ie, ever single HoT and DoT on a mob/player will always tick at the exact same time, always. This is also why we won't see Spell/Skill Speed reduce the time between DoT ticks, because it's a hard coded timer.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

There are four bosses in Brayflox technically aren't there?

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yes.

but the only mechanic of the second boss is run away from brayflox.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Uh, no. Why should it be made easier, when it's already easy to do as is?



As much as this would be nice, it's not going to happen due to how the game itself is designed. First of all, your DoTs don't lump with other people's DoTs, only your own. And the reason for this is the tick time is server controlled at a fixed 3 seconds. ie, ever single HoT and DoT on a mob/player will always tick at the exact same time, always. This is also why we won't see Spell/Skill Speed reduce the time between DoT ticks, because it's a hard coded timer.

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Because it's annoying and adds no depth to the game. That, and the only job that this mechanic really affects is black mage. It affects summoner slightly but having casting interrupted on summoner isn't as big of a deal.

Yes, your dots lump with everyone else's dots. It turns into one giant DoT.

-I agree completely with "Out of Range" for melee being a big issue. It is impossible to hit anything that is moving even if I am inside its hitbox on my screen.

-I like the combo system as is. I guess the positional requirements and trying to maintain greased lightning on harder fights makes it interesting enough for me.

-For DOTs, you can tell which ones are yours because the will be the first set of debuffs in the list, and they will have green timers.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Because it's annoying and adds no depth to the game. That, and the only job that this mechanic really affects is black mage. It affects summoner slightly but having casting interrupted on summoner isn't as big of a deal.

Yes, your dots lump with everyone else's dots. It turns into one giant DoT.

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Not all things have to add "depth" to a game to exist in said game. Not to mention, it makes sense, you just choose not to see it.

Second, no, it only lumps with your DoTs. You can see separate damage numbers for each person's DoTs, just not the individual DoTs themselves.

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Originally Posted by dejavutwo

-For DOTs, you can tell which ones are yours because the will be the first set of debuffs in the list, and they will have green timers.

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He means the damage from the DoTs themselves, which as i've said only lumps with the other DoTs from the same player, which is how the system was designed to work.

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Originally Posted by KalSki

3 months Cant pass brayflox and aurum vales because of stupid reflex/latency dependent mechanics.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

-Casters should pivot to face moving targets as they cast a spell. You can bind a key to turn your character as you cast -- there's no reason that this shouldn't be done automatically.

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dont want that ^^ that something we need to have control on it, a automatic face will be a wipe option in T7 XD

in healer, the simple "auto-face at start of cast" we disable it

you can try to make it yourself by macro like (not on T7 ^^)

"/ft /ac xxxx /wait x.x /ft"

but i realy see that something hasardous and dangerous :x

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Originally Posted by Libellule

that something we need to have control on it, a automatic face will be a wipe option in T7 XD

in healer, the simple "auto-face at start of cast" we disable it

you can try to make it yourself by macro like (not on T7 ^^)

"/ft /ac xxxx /wait x.x /ft"

but i realy see that something hasardous and dangerous :x

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It already exists. It's called locking on.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

It already exists. It's called locking on.

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mmmm, last time i tested the locking on, that just lock the camera, not where we look while cast

they have changed that O_o ? *i will go test*

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Edit : just test, for me that just lock the camera, nothing else, you can be interupted if the mob move outside Los while casting

I will admit that I do miss the combo system back from 1.0. If you did a certain series of moves in sequence, the tp cost was negated. Now, they've altered it so that tp is always used, but certain beneficial effects are gained instead. Meh, I prefer 1.0 still.

The only nod to that currently is BLM's firestarter proc that only occurs while using fire 1. Thundercloud just happens on its own anytime during the duration of the thunder on the mob, you have no control over it (no real control over firestarter either, but it's more of a manual type of thing, since you have to be casting fire 1 to even proc it at all).

Pretty sure Thunder 1->Thunder 2 worked that way as well (Thunder 2 in 1.0 was insane. Man I miss that spell.) But anyways, sidetracked, but I'm with OP on that the new combo system is kinda 'meh' compared to the one we had in 1.0. But, change is inevitable I suppose.

Also - To those who call this an 'action rpg'...yeah, I really dont get where you're coming from. Yes, you do have to dodge mechanics or click on things occasionally. Yes you do have to go through a series of actions to preform combination attacks, but I still don't see it as an action game.

Action game to me - GW2's dodge feature. You could actually roll forward/backward/side-to-side to avoid taking damage. Or, Blade & Soul (I think..) is a true Action RPG style game, every move you do is required to be triggered, there is no auto attack feature (If I'm mistaken, please correct me, I've watched videos but it's hard to tell with the way people key spam).

FFXIV(FFXI even) has auto attacks and certain abilities you can use to progress flow of combat. But hardly 'action' rpg.

I will say that I do personally miss XI's combat flow, as auto attacks were actually fairly useful, until you had built up enough TP to do something worthwhile. But that's not a change that's ever (likely) to occur anyways, so whatever.