An old promise I'd like looked into

Yoshi-P a long time ago mentioned he would look into letting us solo lower level dungeons without a light party or level sync in the future (anyone else remember this?). I would really like to see if he would give us a response to whether or not this is going to happen in the future.

I myself would really like to grind out some lower level dungeons on my own for vanity gear but I can never do this in normal Duty Finder due to queue times and having to compete with other players for loot (plus I feel bad rolling on something someone needs just for vanity). I would have a great time enjoying stomping on some of the lower level content if the devs let us do this and I think it would help some players progress through the story in certain dungeons and trials without the ridiculous wait time on some of them.

It would bring a little life back into the game for me.

I'd rather see your vanity items being tradable, like the drops from Dzemael Darkhold.

I'd agree with idea under one condition: you have to beat it capped before you can run it solo uncapped. I think dungeons help players practice their roles.

I would like to return to low level brayflox for the one piece of battlemage gear (body) that I never received after many runs. It would be great to do that solo so I would not have to rope other people in for many runs.

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

I'd agree with idea under one condition: you have to beat it capped before you can run it solo uncapped. I think dungeons help players practice their roles.

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Just like unlocking daily roulettes, I do agree this is a good condition. Although personally I think the dungeons themselves don't teach people much other than mechanics, but I digress, that's a good idea.

I'm against turning a MMO into a single player game, but for making low dungeon drops sellable on marketboard for vanity.

As someone that played bst main on ffxi... I would love to see a solo version of the dungeons.. I solod thf from 30-75 and all of bst and i amassed a HUGE fortune from doing it. Raid content however does need to be multiplayer.. <I don't consider dungeons a raid>. Plus sometimes I just like to solo stuff.. I KNOW for a FACT in the future if they don't level sync older coils... EVERYONE will be soloing stuff like twintania just because its fun to do. Just because you play an mmo doesn't mean you need to play with people all the time. I hope they do bring in a job that can solo current content... I miss my bst and my thf

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Just like unlocking daily roulettes, I do agree this is a good condition. Although personally I think the dungeons themselves don't teach people much other than mechanics, but I digress, that's a good idea.

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I've been teaching low-level players through new dungeons, including ones with no idea how to do their role before. The dungeons actually have a fantastic progression in terms of introduction of concepts that are used throughout the game, whether basic ones (wandering monsters, etc.) or ones used in more unusual mechanics for bosses later (stacking debufs, etc.)

However, it's not until Brayflox/Titan that the game really punishes players who haven't learned their stuff, so many players seem to get through with absolutely no idea they're even doing bad (because their healer's carrying them hard).


That's another discussion for another time though, I guess. There IS mention of some form of 'sub-light-party' content coming in 2.3, and it may be the ability to queue for dungeons with a sub-4-man party.

Oneshotting sastasha's bosses? (Yes please)

I think it would be an interesting distraction, though really only for grabbing up vanity pieces without sitting in long queues or trying to convince friends to run low level dungeons for virtually no reason with you. The one problem I could see is that it might (further) trivialize some of the dungeon trials in the zodiac weapon quest.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

I'm against turning a MMO into a single player game, but for making low dungeon drops sellable on marketboard for vanity.

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Agreed. /10 chars

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

I would like to return to low level brayflox for the one piece of battlemage gear (body) that I never received after many runs. It would be great to do that solo so I would not have to rope other people in for many runs.

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Haha, I am in the same boat. Looking for the battlemage robe since ages but I can't ask my FC all the time because the dungeon is fgn boring lol. If I go DF and the other DD is a BLM at that level, I also can't take it away from him just for vanity reasons.

I am only not sure how far you can go solo in a dungeon. Maybe unsynced it would work. Two weeks ago, I was in Sastasha for one of my Animus books and as usual, tank left directly in the beginning because he found Sastasha boring (doing Roulette and then be picky is so not ftw). Healer left as well at some stage after no replacement tank came in so it was two DD's, a BLM and a bard, both only there for the end boss. We managed to complete the dungeon till the end boss and then tried the "Bard kites end boss to Death while BLM heals" strat but it didn't work because the last boss hit us too hard. Three hits and both the Bard and myself were down, no chance with my lowbie Physicks skill lol.

So if there ever will be a solo dungeon, there must be adjustments made to allow non tank classes to eat more dmg, especially from bosses. I could imagine me and my healing choccobo in dungeons, really would love to be able to do so. Time will tell if we ever get that opportunity.

Well yes, I did mention it would be unsync'd in my OP

hoping if they allow less people to enter it could be how they introduce chocos to dungeons and make lowbie dungeons less of wait-for-the-que-to-pop
just ticking a box that you don't mind it..

>summon choco
>enter lowbie dungeon
>now you're playing with 3 people

or

>2 people summon chocos
>enter lowbie dungeon
>now you're a duo, yay for couples etc.

can we just refrain from ideas that needs the devs to work (even rework old content....) on single player content in a massive multiplayer online RPG?

Also, being 50 (or overlevel for any duty in that matter) does not automaticly mean you get free vanity gear (which it is, free, if you go there, onehtting every enemy)

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

can we just refrain from ideas that needs the devs to work (even rework old content....) on single player content in a massive multiplayer online RPG?

Also, being 50 (or overlevel for any duty in that matter) does not automaticly mean you get free vanity gear (which it is, free, if you go there, onehtting every enemy)

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1) No, I will not refrain. MMOs have solo content. This is a normal thing. Get over it.

2) So by that logic should I have to level sync to go kill mobs out in the world? Don't want those pesky level 50's getting free drops from open world mobs one hitting them and all. While we're at it let's add level sync to crafting and gathering too since, you know, level 50's can't have free HQ items. Oh and let's level sync all dungeons and raids to a certain ilvl so people can't have free dungeon loot.

MMOs have solo content:
yeah you can quest, do hests, slay animals if you feel like it.
There are no solo dungeons in this game. Take it as a clue from the devs.
Get over yourself.

Dungeons != Open World
Consider playing a single player game if you feel like soloing stuff.

Playing by yourself =/= single player game. Gathering - perfect example. I go out in the world and I gather things for my character in a game that has thousands of other players on your server, how is that different? Replace "gathered items" with "vanity items" and it's the exact same thing which btw, does not make it a single player game despite being "solo".
So why is it that you are okay with other solo content but any new solo content is forbidden? And why is anything not in the game forbidden? You make zero sense. If you had a proper argument maybe I would see your point but you don't. You seem to be against this just because I don't have to do it with other people which is absurd.
Also, you can differentiate instanced and open world all you like it's still all the same. Only one so blind they only see nuances would say otherwise.

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

I'd rather they just make that gear sellable. Those dungeons would not be fun and would be more mindnumbing then atma farming. New players would be even more behind since high level players can top gear their low level alts at will.

You will get what a few minutes of new "excitement" while you run through brayflox aoeing everything down in minutes - grab loot. Next.

Then we have even more complaints about "why do I have to buy another retainer?", since everyone will have every vanity piece in existance. I also imagine you could farm gc seals pretty quick by quick-spanking these dungeons for green/red gear.

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There's no difference between farming these for "progression" gear and grabbing yourself some HQ craftable gear

Better than doing nothing waiting on my static

GC Leves would still be a faster source of seals. No one is complaining about that.

I'd rather they just make that gear sellable. Those dungeons would not be fun and would be more mindnumbing then atma farming. New players would be even more behind since high level players can top gear their low level alts at will.

You will get what a few minutes of new "excitement" while you run through brayflox aoeing everything down in minutes - grab loot. Next.

Then we have even more complaints about "why do I have to buy another retainer?", since everyone will have every vanity piece in existance. I also imagine you could farm gc seals pretty quick by quick-spanking these dungeons for green/red gear.

No thank you. Part of the work of a dungeon is building your party or rolling the dice and getting a pug. We should not be level 50's solo farming in instanced dungeons.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Better than doing nothing waiting on my static

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Maybe queue for the dungeon you want vanity gear from?

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

GC Leves would still be a faster source of seals. No one is complaining about that.

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Which require allowances.

I will be a sad panda once SE invests time and money turning old dungeons to singleplayer content, in effect maybe rework skills etc to make this possible for every class and what ever implications may arise, instead of making new content for ppl that actually grp together...

What Spoekes said. I prefer SE to develop party-oriented contents than taking this time away by developping solo-oriented contents.

I don't understand what development time you're talking about at all. What reworking are you even talking about you make no sense! You are grossly overestimating what it would take. Your arguments against this are unreasonable. BTW, they develop solo content every single patch, so I say again, get over that. Solo content is what some people want.

And good job editing out every bit of my post to make a weak argument!

Don't know if this has been suggested but I would love to see a Magnus Sister Dungeon in Gridanea.

@AmyNeudaiz: I am not sure to whom you are aswering but I assume partly to me as you are talking about development time.

First of all, I would have appreciated that you refrain from telling me that I make ne sense or that my reasoning is weak/unreasonable or whatever while admitting that you don't understand. It is a kind of weird to me. Maybe just ask so that we can have a civilized discussion about a point of disagreement before going straight to a fight.

From my point of view, there are few things I don't understand. You want to solo low level dungeon for vanity. There is another proposition here (and I am sure there can have others) that can fulfill your desire: make those items sellable. Now I am wondering why this is unreasonable whereas soloing low level dungeon would be reasonable? Moreover, your proposition (as any other by the way) has implications. Even among people who are supporting your proposition, some were already raised. They are design choices to be made. I am just telling you that the time they spent to make those choices (not talking about coding and testing when the choices are made), I prefer they spend it in developping party-oriented contents. I am not saying something else. But it seems you think that the "low level" dungeons has "just" to be opened for soloing without tweaking anything in either the dungeon or the classes. Am I right? Even in this case, there are implications. Which dungeons? Raids maybe also? And why would a summoner with his pets would have an easier time soloing dungeons than a black mage? So finally, tweaking the classes or not? If one shotting everything in low level dungeon, is it still fun?

My reasoning may be weak but yours are also weak then. There are solo content? There are party-oriented contents. Some people want solo contents? Some people want party-oriented contents. So what exactly? What makes your reasoning this stronger than mine?

I think he meant me, and I thank you for this contribution Lewena.

Another thought (rather unimportant, but still) in addition to the ones already made:
Do we want that you can farm gear for your alts with your lvl 50 char by soloing the low level dungeons?

I indeed was directing that at Spoekes who instead of contributing just throws one sided random thoughts as if they were an adequate argument against solo dungeons without adding any implications or responding to any form of debate. (Quite frustrating to say the least)

Also @Spoekes, you can't argue against being able to farm up LOW LEVEL items on your 50 by making the argument "you can't have free gear" when you can quite literally make free gear yourself a lot easier than farming a lowbie dungeon already or just go through the game and flat out buy everything you need without ever rolling on a single piece of gear or doing a single piece of group content all the way to level 50 all by yourself. If crafting and the market board didn't exist and leveling 1 to 50 wasn't just a glorified tutorial, I would agree but in this game that doesn't matter. I'm pretty much done replying to you as well seeing as you just clip 2 sentences out of my posts and ignore the rest.

But to direct more towards your post Lewena, I don't exactly agree with making the items sellable because that makes people just that much more likely to go into low level roulettes and gank items that a lower level player could use (something I want to avoid as mentioned in the OP). And yes, I do think the low level dungeons should "just" be opened for a level 50 to enter. I would have fun because I'm a gear collector and I don't mind killing weak mobs to get them. I don't think because you don't find it fun shouldn't mean I can't have mine.
And by the way, the dev team can work on multiple things. That argument "I don't want the things you want developed because it would affect the thing I want developed" has to be the most pointless thing said on this forum because it is not only selfish but it's slightly ignorant of the development process. The dev team is huge for FFXIV and even IF they tweak some balancing mob/boss strength in the dungeons (not the classes/jobs) for solo would not affect your party content getting developed because again, they have different teams for different tasks. We know this from Yoshi talking about development ages ago.

And no my reasoning is not weak. I want this added as content I can do on my own without a party, that's reason enough. Spoekes however have added very weak arguments for no discernible reasons like "I don't want solo content in FFXIV because it's an MMO" as where you prior to your post added redundant reasoning as it doesn't apply (it won't hurt developing party content at all)

This will likely happen one day, but I doubt anytime soon.

Like how in FFXI they removed the level cap and party requirements for CoP battles. They did that in what, 2010? So seven years after CoP was released.

What a degraded thread...

People post on forums to inform and/or debate.
But when they start calling views that is not fitting with theirs "pointless" or "weak" or whatever... it just becomes a rant/whine thread.

But for now, show me where Yoshi-P has promised making low level dungeons for soloing before saying other people's views/opinions are complete crap. A link, an article, anything.

This is my last message in this thread as it seems that it is not possible to have a decent discussion with you.

OK, now I am pointless and ignorant (hopefully only slightly). Again, I would appreciate that you don't judge me when you don't know me. By the way, I guess you didn't understand that the questions I raised weren't meant for me to answer. But well, let's forget it.

What I am seeking in an MMO is to play with other persons. If I feel like to do something alone, I don't play FF14. And as such I find it vital to keep the party-oriented content and not allow the game to shift slowly towards a solo-oriented one. So I don't find that focusing on party-oriented content instead of solo-oriented content is pointless. But if you are saying it is pointless, it is so. Is it what I need to understand from your message? Moreover, it is a fact that Crystal Tower was released after Coil and it was a mess in terms of gear progression. My FC mates, the high level crafter ones, also told me that it has killed their jobs until the new patch. So I may be ignorant and the dev team may be huge, it seems to me that the team is not huge enough to release the Crystal Tower on time. So maybe there is something here. Limited resources maybe?

From a community point of view, I find it more interesting to make the items sellable than allowing dungeon soloing:
- you have now another way to get these items;
- it is an incentive to high level players to run this dungeons again; and by doing this, at least they are helping low level players to complete their story dungeon even if it wasn't their first motivation. And even better if they can help these new payers with their gameplay (assuming they need it of course);
- low level player can get some item to sell at a (maybe) good price. The marketboard is not especially cheap for new players. And it is another way to make gils.

You may want to see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSFqKV76JUM

This is extremely recent (yesterday). Nine minutes in, when discussing bringing Chocobos into dungeons - "...but at the moment, we are discussing that we might allow solo players to go to the dungeons or even less than four people so at that time, maybe it's something we can consider."

This doesn't mean it will happen, but it's of interest.

That's great news thanks for sharing