Green Eyes? what does that supposed to meant?
I don't really get it ... I looks others jobs achievement example
Paladin - The True - ok, this one probably mean "Royalty", royalty true to the King, Queen or Sultan/Sultanate etc.
Monk - Coeurlfist - The name already tell it, Monk learn the move and form from Coeurl as in real life Kang Fu, they learn move and form from wild animal, Tiger.
War - Ironeater - I dunno actually this one but its sound intimidate enough, worth title for WAR I guess.
Black Mage - Starcaller - Its name of BLM relic, no more to guess.
Scholar - The Strategist - By lore, Scholar is military strategist so its already correct.
Now now now now now now now now
Summoner!
Wat!?
Green Eyes!? what the hell is that? wait ... my eyes is blue!!! Green eyes what!???? come on, give me Blue Eyes! will ya?
I don't get and probably never have a chance what is "Green Eyes" meaning ....
If anybody can elaborate, would be appreciated
P.S. I look at you SE dev team >.>
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05-14-2014, 08:52 PMAltimisCan anybody explains me this, why Summoner have achievement called "Green Eyes" ?
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05-14-2014, 09:03 PMTinyRedLeaf
The summoner's relic weapon once belonged to the Allagan summoner Wiyu, who was said to have green eyes.
There. It's quite simple, really. Just pay attention to the quest's text when it plays, instead of speeding through it. -
05-14-2014, 09:59 PMAltimis
Actually why should be "Green Eyes" exactly?
Who have white eyes, red eyes, blinded eyes or sexy eyes, who care
Why SMN should have "Green Eyes" title? Green eyes is special power for SMN?
The face all SMN didn't have "Green Eyes" visually on them
This is actually my question, excuse me~ if my question is misleading
Why don't we get title "Primal Evoker" or any name that relate to SMN instead of this "Green Eyes" -
05-14-2014, 10:05 PMKyan
The reason behind "Green Eyes" is because, Wiyu, the woman who owned the artefact weapon, was a very famous female summoner in her time, who had legendary green eyes.
You are taking up her mantle by carrying her book, her legacy - so you are given the title "green eyes" as reference to her, Wiyu.
This book is also a reference to final fantasy tactics, where I believe Wiyu is also mentioned in a similar light to XIV. -
05-15-2014, 04:13 AMTinyRedLeafI guess I had been unnecessarily sarcastic, so pardon me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altimis
In any case, Kyan has answered your primary question. As he mentioned, the Veil of Wiyu is itself a reference to a legendary grimoire from both Final Fantasy Tactics and Final Fantasy Tactics A2. In all three instances, we aren't told much about Wiyu. I believe, though, that it's only in FFXIV that she's said to have green eyes.
And, if I'm not wrong, the summoners of Final Fantasy have almost always been associated with the colour green, especially Rydia of FFIV. In that sense, the colour of Wiyu's eyes, as well as the colour of the summoner's AF gear in this game, are merely the latest iteration in a long Final Fantasy tradition.
What I'm curious to know, though, is the reason behind the dragon motif in design of the summoner AF gear. The evoker/summoner robes bear vestigal wings as well as a "tail", while the evoker/summoner's horn completes the allusion to a dragon. It makes me wonder if it's a distant reference to Bahamut, whom the Allagans so famously imprisoned in Dalamud. -
05-15-2014, 05:03 AMAnonymooseI can hazard a guess. The gear is from the traditional origin Allag SMN - and so much of the Allag-related gear has dragon references hidden all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf
Accuse me of seeing things if you will, but...
http://zantetsuken.net/wp-content/ga...ept-art-01.jpg
Three claws, real horns, magitek horns, wings.
http://i.imgur.com/lZNF0ZR.jpg
Bahamut's face in the legs (both magick sets)
http://img-cdn.jg.jugem.jp/09b/14578...107_813246.jpg
Dragon wings on the back (most/all(?) body pieces)
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...0aead1ac74.jpg
Bahamut's three-clawed hand across the face, possible palm across the head, wings in the lower back
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4121/r3is.png
Bahamut's Claws
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05-15-2014, 05:14 AMAltimis
Thank you both Kyan and TinyRedLeaf
Appreciated for answer
But oddly enough, even Rydia does not have "Green Eyes", only her cloth is greenish
We know Wiyu is famous SMN that have "Green Eyes" but we never see her face or any cut-scene that make her appear or anything -
05-15-2014, 06:34 AMSkyHighDN
The Green Eye's question has already been answered so that line of questioning is complete...
You ask about the dragon motif.... The Summoners horn has been in FF lore for a LOOOOOOONG time. You can say the most human summon in FFIV was Asura, and she rocked a horn while in the battle screen. The Summoner's horn was part of the job lore in FFXI, in FFIX Eiko wore a horn and there was a connection between it and her moogle buddy. So that part is more about the horn than that of a dragon.
As far as the body piece having dragon like aspects. I disagree... I See the wings and tail on the body piece being more reminiscent of Moogles which there have always been a connect between summoners and moogles. The wings are golden moogle wings, which are also short and stumpy like so...
Now the Allagan gear... sure I agree with you. But the AF gear... no way, the horn is FF lore, and the wings are moogle references, and I would assume the Summoner will eventually get a Moogle Companion (not a egi) but a companion exclusive (one that can be cross utilized, like the white mages getting their unicorn) -
05-15-2014, 06:45 AMkiraan
On a side note, the french name for the Veil of Wiyu is 'OeilVert' which means Green Eye
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05-15-2014, 07:22 AMAnonymooseThis encouraged me to take a much closer look at the SMN gear, as the wings are similar in size and shape to moogles'.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyHighDN
I dunno if I'm just looking for dragons and finding dragons, but...
Again, accuse me of seeing things if you will, but the SMN outfit has the same cold trim around the edges that the Binding Coil stuff does, so I'm just gonna go with it. Doesn't the summoner horn mirror Bahamut's "crown" very closely? One large horn (red for SMN, gold for Bahamut) with two smaller horns (gold on SMN, real horns on Bahamut) and two triangular wedges on the side of the head (gold for SMN, magitek for Bahamut)?
Also I'm pretty sure I see little dragons on the SMN waist, but that one's way more open to interpretation, lol.
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05-15-2014, 08:23 AMAltimisJesus, this probably the best answer! if that true ..... its probably make sense lol I never thought its will be this outcomeQuote:
Originally Posted by kiraan
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05-15-2014, 09:44 AMKicha
I think it may have a lot to do with the first major summoner in the Final Fantasy series. Rydia was from a race of summoners, and she was all about the green. Her clothes, hair, and eyes were green. My best bet would be that she was the start of the tradition.
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05-15-2014, 03:36 PMBowenI guess I'll chime in here and explain the wings. They're actually a reference to another Summoner from the series; specifically, Eiko Carol. Guess what she has on her back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2..._Summoning.JPG
Boom.
This is also a nod to FFIX, funnily enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiraan
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05-15-2014, 04:05 PMEspritduo
It's a Final Fantasy Tactics reference. The Veil of Wiyu is an artefact from Tactics that, in the Japanese original version, could be used to access a "choose-your-own-path" text-based adventure mini-game featuring Oeilvert, a female assassin with green eyes (hence the name). Its actually a pretty touching little story, and any fan of the game should find the online, translated version of the story if they can.
Of course, this isn't the first time Oeilvert has been seen outside of FFT - Oeilvert is the name of a displaced magic city in FFIX, as well. It's also the name of one of my retainers. :P
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05-15-2014, 04:27 PMLucke
Yuna is a summoner with a green eye. Although she wasn't TECHNICALLY a summoner since jobs don't exist in VII, Aerith acted as a SMN/WHM and had green eyes as well.
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05-15-2014, 08:07 PMgornotckSpeaking in absolute terms, every single title refers to the previous holder of the Relic Weapon, and the establisher of your Job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altimis
Using Black Mage as an example, Shatotto created Black Magic, used the Stardust Rod to call down Meteor. Shatoto was the Starcaller. Having taken up the name of Black Mage and the relic weapon Stardust, you basically have BECOME Shatotto Reborn, except maybe less prone to fits of genocide. -
05-16-2014, 02:25 AMMelinia
It's because green signals envy and jealousy, and everyone knows that all of the non-summoners are jealous of summoners.
So whenever someone else sees you with your summoner relic, their eyes turn green with envy.
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05-16-2014, 07:12 AMErel
In French, the Veil of Wiyu is translated as Oeilvert, "Green Eyes" and Oeilvert is a location in FFIX.
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05-16-2014, 10:40 AMCassandaria
Another thing to think about. Summoners are very similar in lore to the concept of a Druid. As they call on the power of creatures of the planets energy, nature power has long been considered green, or the color of healthy foliage in forests and plains. Rydia, the summoner from Final Fantasy IV carries this motif as well in her clothing to hint at the druidic nature of the class in the first place, and every FF summoner, at least ones where that has been a major part of their character (so VII doesn't count as summons are equip-able by anyone, not just a "summoner") has the color green incorporated in either their clothing or their eyes. I think it's safe to say that the tie to the concept of druids (despite conjurers following that concept more closely now) has been the root of summoning in the final fantasy games for a while, hence why the title green eyes would be appropriate. It's in the history of final fantasy :D.
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05-17-2014, 02:02 AMTinyRedLeafI think you're completely missing the point. Like you, and many others in this thread, I'm very aware of the many references being made in this game to earlier iterations of the summoner in the Final Fantasy franshicse. But I feel you're ignoring the key fact that each new Final Fantasy represents a fresh interpretation of very familiar concepts. So, while the horn and the wings of FFXIV's summoner AF gear may indeed be references to FF Tactics and FFIX, that by itself does not prevent the FFXIV lore team from coming up with new lore-specific reasons for such characteristics to appear in this particular version of the classic summoner costume.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyHighDN
So, yes, it's true that summoners have almost always been associated with the colour green. It's also very possible that the horns and wings of the current summoner AF gear may be references to Eiko's FFIX costume. But, within the context of FFXIV, I tend to agree with Anonymoose that the current summoner costume is more than likely related to the Allagan triumph over Bahamut, possibly the most powerful among Hydaelyn's many Primals.
Only time, and Square-Enix's staff, can truly tell. -
05-18-2014, 05:05 PMStarDrake
Just to note, Rydia herself did have green eyes in her original character design:
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...-rydiaC_sd.png
It was only the DS remake that conclusively changed it to blue.
Green Eyes is indeed a Rydia reference on a meta level.
The Oeilvert stuff is fascinating, though. Wish that made it into the English version somehow http://www.carpefulgur.com/gallery/emot-argh.gif -
05-19-2014, 02:50 AMBombastOther way round. Her eyes were blue, later changed to green.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarDrake
EDIT: Many of the original drawn pictures of Rydia had here with green tinted eyes, but this was because of the painting style (One color, black and white). As a sprite, her eyes were blue and black, mostly, I assume, to keep her from looking like a small green slime fighting on your side. -
05-20-2014, 01:22 AMgornotck
I think it necessary to mention that 'blue' and 'green' are, all too often, the same color to certain cultures, or at least entirely interchangeable. So it may be that pointing out that her eyes were 'blue', or sometimes 'green' may just be that.
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05-20-2014, 03:04 AMTinyRedLeafIf an individual can't tell the difference between blue and green, it's more likely to be the fault of colour-blindness than his culture. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by gornotck
I know what you mean, of course. But the linguistic "quirk" you're thinking of is mostly unique to Japan. The Japanese use the same word, or kanji, to represent "blue" or "green", namely, 青 (pronounced ao or sei, depending on context).
So, they would write 青天 (sei ten), or 青空 (ao sora) for "blue sky". And, just to confuse foreigners like us, they would also write 青田 (ao ta) for "green rice paddies". Some players may also recognise the name Seiryu (青竜), the Guardian of the East. His name is usually translated as the Azure (meaning, blue) Dragon.
And, to add to the fun, the Japanese do actually have other kanji to refer specifically to the colour green. There's 緑 (midori), for example. However, midori usually refers to a darker shade of green, while ao typically refers to a lighter shade of the colour.
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Why do I say these quirks are unique to Japan?
Well, because no such confusion exists in Chinese, the language from which Japan borrowed most of its writing system.
For the Chinese, 青 is green, no doubt about it. And they use 蓝 to mean blue. And trust me, the Chinese will think you're weird if you describe the sky as 青. :p -
05-20-2014, 03:23 AMReynhartSeriously, people shouldn't use "always" in every sentence...Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyHighDN
FFIX has a link between one sumonner and her moogle friend.
In FFT, you can summon a moogle, and in FFVII, one appeared on the back of your chocobo summon.
How is "three times" "always" ?!
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05-20-2014, 06:49 AMBombastThere are quite a few people who think Final Fantasy started at 11, particularly when it comes to summoners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
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05-20-2014, 08:11 AMReynhart
Judging from other topics where "FFXIV BLM is not a real one because he only uses Fire, Blizzard and Thunder" or "Most of prévisous PLD had acces to Cure IV", SMN is not the only victim :p
Thes best I saw was "DRK's best weapon have always been Great Axes"...Mmmmm, no. -
05-20-2014, 01:23 PMViridianaAnd Korea. Because why should Japan get to hog all the weird?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf
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05-20-2014, 04:47 PMMalrendWell there are examples of old european cultures not differentiating between blue and green.. Primarily Ancient Greece, where the sky was referred to as "The Bronze" because they believed that it reflected the image of forests, lakes, and oceans. Of course, back then, very few cultures used colours to describe differences between objects.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf
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05-20-2014, 04:54 PMAlice_89thI actually interpreted the wings as being from Garuda, and the tail from Ifrit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyHighDN
But I can't find a clear Titan reference so my theory doesn't really hold up.