A way for everyone to be happy with level cap?

just to say i hate the idea of riasing the level cap every few years but i had a weird idea from FF11

first off every single game now that i think of it technicly never had a static cap even FF11 didnt have 75 because of a great system of merits so why cant ff14 have something like merits? and ever few years they could increase how much merits we can apply to our stats that way we could progressivly get stronger yet it wouldnt mess up our prevoius gameplay while letting us still "level up" idk if this would fix it but in the end it would also allow customability at the end game portion of the game not the entire game ( which is a diff topic)

idk any ideas?

no just please stop

Large amounts of horizontal character development is going to make people get even more attached to their items and whatevers; and it's going to make it even more difficult for the devs to increase the level cap eventually.

A better compromise is to increase the cap by smaller amounts, like 5 levels every year. That way new items and gear are upgrades from the previous tier, but the previous tier isn't completely obsolete and can be used as entry level or early-mid level gear for the new content.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Large amounts of horizontal character development is going to make people get even more attached to their items and whatevers; and it's going to make it even more difficult for the devs to increase the level cap eventually.

A better compromise is to increase the cap by smaller amounts, like 5 levels every year. That way new items and gear are upgrades from the previous tier, but the previous tier isn't completely obsolete and can be used as entry level or early-mid level gear for the new content.

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so what i said is to give ppl horizontal and veritical at the exact same time

merits suck ass leveling up to get merits caused people to do that instead of playing the game, or you needed some merit ablitys/spells to do events.

please no merits SE!!

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A better compromise is to increase the cap by smaller amounts, like 5 levels every year. That way new items and gear are upgrades from the previous tier, but the previous tier isn't completely obsolete and can be used as entry level or early-mid level gear for the new content.

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i doubt we will have that problem, like ffxi some low level equipment was equal to better than high level equipment. ffxiv dosent work on massive damage multipliers like some other mmo's where you equip says how good you are.

No, because the gear you'd be receiving is still the bulk of horizontal character development (and will always be in MMOs). There will be a point where there are too many sidegrades, or minor upgrades, that the content is simply not worth it. It happened with FFXI's COP dynamis, Sea for a lot of people, and some other NMs.

There will eventually have to be straight up gear upgrades and actual new content eventually, or the game will stagnate in a major way.

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Originally Posted by indira

i doubt we will have that problem, like ffxi some low level equipment was equal to better than high level equipment. ffxiv dosent work on massive damage multipliers like some other mmo's where you equip says how good you are.

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Well... gear stats don't do much now anyways. And didn't Yoshi say we're due for a gear and stat redesign eventually?

Personally I'm not a fan of FFXI's OR WOW's gear progress model. In FFXI you got a lot of good gear early on, and at end game everything was a slight upgrade, a sidegrade, or a situational item (like Sea obis). In WOW, the current tier and/or expansion completely obliterates the previous tier and gear feels too fluid.

I'm kinda partial to Aion's gear model, where gear ~10 levels below you is still decent if it's enchanted and gemmed well, but a properly enchanted and gemmed item of your current level is a definite upgrade.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Large amounts of horizontal character development is going to make people get even more attached to their items and whatevers; and it's going to make it even more difficult for the devs to increase the level cap eventually.

A better compromise is to increase the cap by smaller amounts, like 5 levels every year. That way new items and gear are upgrades from the previous tier, but the previous tier isn't completely obsolete and can be used as entry level or early-mid level gear for the new content.

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Gear grind and status grind doesn't have to be the end-game motivator... for once in your lives just please think outside the small box you are all living in.

I'm all for Horizontal growth along with verticle growth, it's just hard to find a proper balance so the horizontal growth "If added before a final"Ish" level cap is placed from becoming overpowered is rather hard.

Merits were easy to balance because for the longest time the level cap was 75 so it was a way to customize your character beyond his "Natural" limits. If they decide to add this kind of growth they need to do it carefully and possibly make the growth be something beyond just SP.

I suggested something like it earlier as an "Accomplishment" system where by accomplishing certain feats you became more proficient with certain items/skill/~

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I'm kinda partial to Aion's gear model, where gear ~10 levels below you is still decent if it's enchanted and gemmed well, but a properly enchanted and gemmed item of your current level is a definite upgrade.

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its ok, but i think it should be more emphasis element vs element. right now any element does the same damage and any attack does the same damage(slashing, piercing, blunt vs the defense type).

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Originally Posted by indira

its ok, but i think it should be more emphasis element vs element. right now any element does the same damage and any attack does the same damage(slashing, piercing, blunt vs the defense type).

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I agree, but that has nothing to do with the gear progression model. =]

Idc if they keep increasing the lvl cap but can the first one be big like make it lvl 60 or 70 right away then do slight upgrades over the years.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Idc if they keep increasing the lvl cap but can the first one be big like make it lvl 60 or 70 right away then do slight upgrades over the years.

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You realize that in the end, more people are going to be irritated at this than if it's a steady flow, right? It will be XI all over again with 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, and 75 caps. Then it stagnates until no more side-grades will appease players and WHAM, 20 levels after years of hard work at 75.

Unless you're talking about having the big WHAM 20 levels now and then each year doing 5 or so levels. It is better to get that WHAM shock over with sooner than later. At least now people have only had less than a year to get attached to their gear.

In about all history of FF the max rank is 99 am sure FFXIV would get to 99 at some point. They said they want to rise the level cap every 1-2year meaning we could get 5-10 level per 1-2years worth of stuff to do.

Me i like to see me going somewhere so grinding doing leve is pretty boring unlike ffxi where the area change. So having the game stop forever at some level range is pretty boring so seeing a level cap rise every year or two is pretty good.

At least maybe when 99hit in ffxiv it wont be as crazy as ffxi.

I quit for a while before they raised caps in FFXI, I was going back on to play until someone pointed something out.. Went something like this

me: I think i'm gunna start playing again, I miss FFXI
person: Didn't you have full usukane and full merits for MNK, PUP, SAM, and NIN and all other jobs at 37?
me: Yep! Took 6 years but yea.. why?
person: They raised the level cap now
me: Oh?
Person: Yea, usukane isn't all that great now, and you'd need to level all your mains to the new cap and all other jobs to the new subjob level
me: wtf are you serious about the level cap thing?
person: yup, and people are all running around gimped in skill because it only takes 3 days to go from 30 to the new cap, but you don't get skillups at the same time
me: .. screw that, I think i'll wait for FFXIV to get better

Don't let it happen again bish

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Originally Posted by MattyWS

I quit for a while before they raised caps in FFXI, I was going back on to play until someone pointed something out.. Went something like this

me: I think i'm gunna start playing again, I miss FFXI
person: Didn't you have full usukane and full merits for MNK, PUP, SAM, and NIN and all other jobs at 37?
me: Yep! Took 6 years but yea.. why?
person: They raised the level cap now
me: Oh?
Person: Yea, usukane isn't all that great now, and you'd need to level all your mains to the new cap and all other jobs to the new subjob level
me: wtf are you serious about the level cap thing?
person: yup, and people are all running around gimped in skill because it only takes 3 days to go from 30 to the new cap, but you don't get skillups at the same time
me: .. screw that, I think i'll wait for FFXIV to get better

Don't let it happen again bish

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Prime example of why you cannot let an MMO stagnate at one level.

If you don't work for 6+ years on pimping out your character, then you don't feel like the devs tore you a new one when a level cap comes.

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Originally Posted by Shipp

You realize that in the end, more people are going to be irritated at this than if it's a steady flow, right? It will be XI all over again with 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, and 75 caps. Then it stagnates until no more side-grades will appease players and WHAM, 20 levels after years of hard work at 75.

Unless you're talking about having the big WHAM 20 levels now and then each year doing 5 or so levels. It is better to get that WHAM shock over with sooner than later. At least now people have only had less than a year to get attached to their gear.

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They'd be silly to not increment in 10s. Everything in this game is based on 10s. Leves, behests, gathering grades, gear sets and probably more.

I dun think they need to do that idk theres games out there that do same thing as this wow for example raising cap ever 1-2 year and thats pretty successful as u can c
I think that we haz 2 wait 4 next level cap increaze so we can judge MAN, I FAIL ON DERPWRITING!

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Originally Posted by Xenor

They'd be silly to not increment in 10s. Everything in this game is based on 10s. Leves, behests, gathering grades, gear sets and probably more.

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I thought leves started to go by 5's at a certain point. Either way, 5, 10, doesn't matter. The point is that they need to gradually increase the level cap over time instead of the disaster of Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by danny52844

just to say i hate the idea of riasing the level cap every few years but i had a weird idea from FF11

first off every single game now that i think of it technicly never had a static cap even FF11 didnt have 75 because of a great system of merits so why cant ff14 have something like merits? and ever few years they could increase how much merits we can apply to our stats that way we could progressivly get stronger yet it wouldnt mess up our prevoius gameplay while letting us still "level up" idk if this would fix it but in the end it would also allow customability at the end game portion of the game not the entire game ( which is a diff topic)

idk any ideas?

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lol

XI fans usually have the most retarded ideas for this game.

I can't see hows it's retarded.. worked for FFXI for a long time and in my personal opinion, the game was ruined after the raised cap from 75+. It was a working system before, you had targets to aim for. saying they're going to increase the level cap every few years makes me think 'whats the point in bothering to get all this awesome gear the max level when it will all be redundant in a year or so'.

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Originally Posted by MattyWS

I can't see hows it's retarded.. worked for FFXI for a long time and in my personal opinion, the game was ruined after the raised cap from 75+. It was a working system before, you had targets to aim for. saying they're going to increase the level cap every few years makes me think 'whats the point in bothering to get all this awesome gear the max level when it will all be redundant in a year or so'.

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a) A MMO doesn't stagnate at a level out of clever design, but all the opposite. You were being played, they simply made the stick extra long and goaded you to believe the carrot would be the best ever.

b) Try having a life instead of "working" (working is a good word for XI though) for 6 years. I rather be PLAYING in several 1 year increments than working for 6.

c) lol

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Originally Posted by Ilean

a) A MMO doesn't stagnate at a level out of clever design, but all the opposite. You were being played, they simply made the stick extra long and goaded you to believe the carrot would be the best ever.

b) Try having a life instead of "working" (working is a good word for XI though) for 6 years. I rather be PLAYING in several 1 year increments than working for 6.

c) lol

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This.

The whole premise goes over these diehards screaming, "NO LEVEL CAP!!! IT'LL ELIMINATE OLD CONTENT!" Guess what people, old content is just that, old. MMOs do not just stagnate at one level for years and years. That is something SE has the market on.

Staying at the same cap means side-grades. Only so many side-grades can come before you have every type of situational gear possible. When that happens you either: A) Don't have anything left to chase. B) Upgrades come.

When upgrades come, the old gear is obsolete. When old gear is obsolete, old content is obsolete.

So since the whole premise of these arguments are, "Wahhh, old content got old and outdated," try looking at why they got out-dated. Hint: It has absolutely nothing to do with the level cap increase.

Another hint: Upping the level cap doesn't mean that gear -has- to be upgraded. Look at Empress Hairpin, Leaping Boots, the MNK drop off that Yagudo NM, Moldavite Earring, etc. All gear that lasted through many levels. The thing that killed old content in XI was: 1) Players no longer wanting to run the same crap for 5+ years for minimal gains. 2) New gear becoming upgrades instead of just side-grades.

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Originally Posted by Ilean

lol

XI fans usually have the most retarded ideas for this game.

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ur a dick
just sayin :|

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Originally Posted by danny52844

ur a dick
just sayin :|

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But he's right. Most of the suggestions put forward for this game by former FFXI players are extremely convoluted, roundabout, and not well thought out.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

But he's right. Most of the suggestions put forward for this game by former FFXI players are extremely convoluted, roundabout, and not well thought out.

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thats becuase FF11 wasnt like most games and most FF11 liked it so they make suggestions from 11... ur ppl prolly never tried 11 so u automaticly think "they are stupid that would never work"

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Originally Posted by danny52844

thats becuase FF11 wasnt like most games and most FF11 liked it so they make suggestions from 11... ur ppl prolly never tried 11 so u automaticly think "they are stupid that would never work"

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I played FFXI for 4 years, the longest of any MMO I've played. I had an almost fully decked out BLM and quit about halfway through TOAU.

I let a lot of poor design choices slide because it was my first MMO and I didn't know any better. I'm more seasoned now and I can objectively analyze stupid design choices. Sticking to horizontal character development for half a decade is one of those monumentally bad designs.

And of course people who play/played FFXI liked it. if they didn't like it, they didn't play it.

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Originally Posted by Richard

no just please stop

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Lolz.. thats not 10 /charisma!!!

Edit: I just noticed to used white out on the rest of it hahaha