Inventory solutions and new repair change

There is a lot of outrage and support over the new repair news, but most of the support stems from the fact that there's more room for inventory and most of the outrage stems from the fact that it's just generic and overall a bad idea, taking out immersion and making crafters seem less efficient in general.

I think a better idea would be a complete overhaul to the inventory system in general, not the repair system. Have different tabs for different things. There was a post I believe a long time ago that said there will be changes to the dye system, where dye will be separate from your inventory and will stack differently. Crystals are similar, having their own tab and stacking up to 9,999.

Why not separate everything? Especially things like repair materials. Make repair materials different from crafting mats and have them separate from your main inventory. Be able to collect up to 999 or so of said materials and view them from a different tab, so you can repair without any compromise of your inventory.

This solves both problems. You get the untidy people who do not know how to manage their inventory properly happy that they have room and things are organized better for them, and you have the people who like the way the current repair system is set up to some extent happy that they still have individual repair mats.

While I feel the developers intended that this would be a well-received change, this just completely defeats the purpose of the repair system in general. Either go back to the way it was before, come up with a new idea, or get rid of the repair system. A superglue for all items is just a really poor idea, and does not in any way represent the "high quality" aspect the developers seem to want this game to achieve.

Come on devs we have faith in you to come up with some better ideas than this.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

A superglue for all items is just a really poor idea, and does not in any way represent the "high quality" aspect the developers seem to want this game to achieve.

Come on devs we have faith in you to come up with some better ideas than this.

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^ I agree with this statement. If they are going to introduce dark mater in this game to be able to magically fix items, we should be able to use dark mater as a wild card for any mats we are missing for a specific synth.

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Originally Posted by JunkPunch

If they are going to introduce dark mater in this game to be able to magically fix items, we should be able to use dark mater as a wild card for any mats we are missing for a specific synth.

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This man should work for NASA.

I agree! The current repair system doesn't need that much of an overhaul. I would even argue that the inventory space requirements are fine, but some players seem to be utterly incapable of managing their own inventory without someone else holding their hand the entire way (see the constant cries for more space in pretty much every MMO out there).

As Rajin said, this is just one big step closer to removing it altogether, which I really don't want to see.

This is the way it is.

Deal with it.

Hmmmm i just want more space in my inventories thou... Not because i cant manage but is not enough to fit all my cool items yo.

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Originally Posted by BloodLotus

This is the way it is.

Deal with it.

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And this is the way the game is going to end up dying if they pull this kind of stupid shit too often, you're welcome to deal with that.

Only reason I'm glad about this is so I don't have to lug around really oddball repair materials. Asking a weaver to actually carry straw around was like pulling teeth so I always had to provide the straw just to get a repair.

Has anyone considered that Dark Matter and/or Deaspected Crystals and/or Materia System may be something we see integrated in some way in the next three patches? The name of it, the style of it, it all smacks of something SE -isn't- telling us. I can't help but wonder if we are all so focused on what WAS said, that we are forgetting that sometimes reading between the lines is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by origamikitsune

Has anyone considered that Dark Matter and/or Deaspected Crystals and/or Materia System may be something we see integrated in some way in the next three patches? The name of it, the style of it, it all smacks of something SE -isn't- telling us. I can't help but wonder if we are all so focused on what WAS said, that we are forgetting that sometimes reading between the lines is a good thing.

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They might tie in together for lore, but that doesn't make it more interesting than what it was.

I agree with the OP. In many places the game just needed better organization, not gutting.

But I guess they're already doing this.. I like your idea though.

Sure, -just- lore would be a cop out. But (rose colored glasses as usual) I can hope they put a little more thought into the changes than the superficial stuff. A recent post in the JP forums indicated that post 1.19 we're going to see a lot of tying together of seemingly random elements. Perhaps... maybe... if we're lucky...

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Originally Posted by origamikitsune

Sure, -just- lore would be a cop out. But (rose colored glasses as usual) I can hope they put a little more thought into the changes than the superficial stuff. A recent post in the JP forums indicated that post 1.19 we're going to see a lot of tying together of seemingly random elements. Perhaps... maybe... if we're lucky...

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Well, we'll see. :)

Eve Online doesnt suffer from item storage restrictions. There are literally thousands of stations, and each npc station can hold an absurd number of items. You are only restricted when transporting goods. Considering that Eve Online is not a new game, I do not understand why we even have inventory restriction. It shouldnt even be an issue.

That being said i get the feeling that many people complaining about inventory space either want to carry everything they own around, or are storing items they will wont use for months on end.

Back on topic, honestly, i do not think the average person will notice as large of a change in there inventory demands as they think they will. As a 50 armorer i can repair most things with iron square, bronze square/rings/plates. Frankly, i have supplies of that stuff for money making synths anyhow. Its not like i am going to be able to free myself from having those mats on retainer. Now ill need to have 5 additional types of dark matter to repair stuff instead of using common mats i have on hand for other purposes anyway. Its craft dependent, but for most people, this isnt going to be as big of an inventory saver as they think it will be.

As for the magic goo thing. This is a really common thing to do. Most games use currency at an npc ie. WoW and Eve Online. In that case, currency is your magical goo. Others have a model that ffxiv will be employing.

The only real change is that i wont need to make mats to repair with. ill need to gather them myself or buy them instead.

I never suffer from my inventory being. I almost always have 20-40 slots of free inv on my person, 50+ on one retainer and i only use my second retainer for buying selling. That said, i store all of my repair mats for 4 crafts and have no problem.

But im not bothered by this change at all. I was happy to npc all of my iron rings and nuggets this morning. I cant believe everyone would rather have a system like we had. Granted there wasnt a problem with it, but it was still overly cumbersome.

Yep, you cannot make everyone happy. Universal rule of life.

My opinion is that while repair helped immersion somewhat for crafters it did not provide _any_ gameplay improvement, and was a pain in the a$$ for most people (and not only for inventory reasons). I think there are many ways to help immersion, repair was jut one of them and not the best one. I trust there is more to come to appease crafters.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

This solves both problems. You get the untidy people who do not know how to manage their inventory properly happy that they have room and things are organized better for them, and you have the people who like the way the current repair system is set up to some extent happy that they still have individual repair mats.

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That's cute, I like how you made your concerns in favour of the current repair system totally legitimate while providing only a piece of the concern against it and turning that around to make it the players' fault.

On behalf of those bumbling, incompetent inventory keepers, I'll just say that number of items isn't the only problem. How about having to craft the repair material? Sure, cotton fent is only Weaver rank 11, but the cotton cloth you make it from is rank 19. Completely senseless from a gameplay perspective, so are we allowing yet another hassle for the sake of immersion? Does this even help immersion?

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Originally Posted by Szabtom

My opinion is that while repair helped immersion somewhat for crafters it did not provide _any_ gameplay improvement, and was a pain in the a$$ for most people (and not only for inventory reasons). I think there are many ways to help immersion, repair was jut one of them and not the best one. I trust there is more to come to appease crafters.

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This is the most sensible post I've seen anywhere on these forums. There's a cost/benefit balance we should be striving to keep. I just don't see how having to gather a material to craft a material to craft a repair material to FINALLY repair your item goes anywhere near keeping that balance, particularly considering the only benefit is that there's a different icon in your repair window. I mean, you don't even add the repair materials yourself - where's the outcry of immersion-killing because repair materials just jump onto your damaged gear?

Immersion is a nice keyword, but it's not a reason for a feature alone. Making this game for Kinect where you have to go through the sewing motions to repair your damaged shirt would be more immersive. It's easy to dismiss that as an "extreme" example, but being extreme isn't what makes it stupid - sacrificing sensible (fun) gameplay for the sake of immersion is.

Dark matter might not be the best solution to this problem, but at least it's an attempt at addressing it. And I for one am actually willing to try it before complaining about it.

"repairing with dark matter isn't immersive!"

Oh goodness...

Yes! Yoshi-P please delay the patch 2 more months to retract this overhaul! I don't care if the new materia system equals more income for me! Also I will feel less immersed and I have an item collecting fetish. Also this change allows for stupid people to repair gear now...

Did I miss anything?