Summoner Fixing The Egis

Ifrit- add fire aoe attack that leaves a 20s burning dot

Titan- add a earth aoe attack that leave a 20s heavy dot which puts it at the top of threat table.

Garuda-add twister aoe attack that leaves a 20s wind burn dot.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

Ifrit- add fire aoe attack that leaves a 20s burning dot

Titan- add a earth aoe attack that leave a 20s heavy dot which puts it at the top of threat table.

Garuda-add twister aoe attack that leaves a 20s wind burn dot.

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Great idea rather letting the SMN do the DoTing. we wana see more fire power from EGI maybe 80% more and 20% from the SMN not the other way round. It kind of pointless having the EGI then.
Or we just copy WoW game as warlock because it worked there lol

Definition of insanity. What is it?

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Originally Posted by Razard

Definition of insanity. What is it?

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It is this.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...grade-from-ACN
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...165244-what-if.....
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Egi-rebalance
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Glamours/page2

I love theory crafting my favorite class as much as the next person, but this is unnecessary...

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Originally Posted by Kirinichibon

It is this.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...grade-from-ACN
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...165244-what-if.....
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Egi-rebalance
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Glamours/page2

I love theory crafting my favorite class as much as the next person, but this is unnecessary...

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I think there were more threads like that I think you forgot to quote them O.o

STOP MAKING THREADS ON THE SAME STUFF OVER AND OVER

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Originally Posted by Akiza

Titan- add a earth aoe attack that leave a 20s heavy dot which puts it at the top of threat table.

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Not gonna happen. Regularly used provoke mechanics are pretty strong when you get down to it (since it basically renders the need for most high enmity abilities redundant); making it an AoE that also deals damage is just nuts. If it were to get something like this, I would expect it to get a single target Provoke that has been weakened significantly compared to the tank one (6y ranged instead of 20y; 60 sec CD compared to 40 sec; potentially require it to make a check to hit rather than being auto-hit).

Also, simply adding extra attacks doesn't "fix the egis". You're just straight up buffing them when SMN (and by definition their egis) are already plenty strong. If you want to talk about "fixing" them, you need to realize that there will have to be trade offs, either by getting rid of something the SMN gets (and just SMN; you can't change the ACN without also changing SCH and SCH is incredibly well balanced) or something that the egi itself gets.

If you knew Akiza's posting history, do you think he or she would care about balance?

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Originally Posted by Kitru

Also, simply adding extra attacks doesn't "fix the egis". You're just straight up buffing them when SMN (and by definition their egis) are already plenty strong. If you want to talk about "fixing" them, you need to realize that there will have to be trade offs, either by getting rid of something the SMN gets (and just SMN; you can't change the ACN without also changing SCH and SCH is incredibly well balanced) or something that the egi itself gets.

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I don't even play SMN but half the changes Akiza wants would destroy my favorite job Scholar, which is why I voice up in every thread this person makes.

What if se takes away egis then improves the dps and puts 2 skills from the egis to smn then smn lb its a ex primal comming and doing the main attack and depends on the lb level ok ok i can dream dont i?

http://i.imgur.com/1TKod1h.jpg

Giving Egis even remotely potent dots would bring us back up to the level of dps we had with thunder available. They took thunder away because we're already the strongest.

I vote Egi DPS increase. Then we'll see 3 SMN raid teams. Who wouldn't want to see infinite dots on the boss?

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Originally Posted by Madoka

http://i.imgur.com/1TKod1h.jpg

Giving Egis even remotely potent dots would bring us back up to the level of dps we had with thunder available. They took thunder away because we're already the strongest.

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And you forget that they took bane away also, Its better SE made a new class of it rather take away spells and ability as of now they could have gave the DoT to any other class in the future and not take that away O.o
I still believe most of the damage should come from the EGI side. Kind of pointless having egi for few extra damage.

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Originally Posted by AldoVonAlexandros

What if se takes away egis then improves the dps and puts 2 skills from the egis to smn then smn lb its a ex primal comming and doing the main attack and depends on the lb level ok ok i can dream dont i?

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No that would destroy the Summoner I'd rather keep the Egis and make Summoning EX Primals an additional Summoner skill when the lvl cap us raised.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

Also, simply adding extra attacks doesn't "fix the egis". You're just straight up buffing them when SMN (and by definition their egis) are already plenty strong. If you want to talk about "fixing" them, you need to realize that there will have to be trade offs, either by getting rid of something the SMN gets (and just SMN; you can't change the ACN without also changing SCH and SCH is incredibly well balanced) or something that the egi itself gets.

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There aren't going to be any changes to the Egis until the level cap is raised so it won't destroy balance because other classes will get new abilities and buffs anyways adding one new ability to the Egis will only increase damage by 20% which would put the Summoner back to where it was when it had thunder.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

I vote Egi DPS increase. Then we'll see 3 SMN raid teams. Who wouldn't want to see infinite dots on the boss?

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Doubtful even when we had thunder Raid Teams were not stacking Summoner.

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Originally Posted by Jediman

And you forget that they took bane away also, Its better SE made a new class of it rather take away spells and ability as of now they could have gave the DoT to any other class in the future and not take that away O.o
I still believe most of the damage should come from the EGI side. Kind of pointless having egi for few extra damage.

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They never took bane away, all they did was phrase the ability description correctly, it would always bane 3 mobs, if anything they made it a bit better, by preventing dots to be replaced with a lower duration from using bane, and increasing the range.

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Originally Posted by sasdas

They never took bane away, all they did was phrase the ability description correctly, it would always bane 3 mobs, if anything they made it a bit better, by preventing dots to be replaced with a lower duration from using bane, and increasing the range.

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I think It would have been better for them to make a new class for that DoT rather having it on the SMN.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

Doubtful even when we had thunder Raid Teams were not stacking Summoner.

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People didn't know back then SMN was best DPS, so that's why. Now they know.

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Originally Posted by Jediman

And you forget that they took bane away also, Its better SE made a new class of it rather take away spells and ability as of now they could have gave the DoT to any other class in the future and not take that away O.o
I still believe most of the damage should come from the EGI side. Kind of pointless having egi for few extra damage.

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Bane functions the same as it has since day 1. Infact it's been buffed with an increased radius.

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Originally Posted by Jediman

I think It would have been better for them to make a new class for that DoT rather having it on the SMN.

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This will never happen. Never. Stop repeating it.

They could make it a proper pet class by making all of the attacks come from the pet and have the Arcanist/Summoner provide pet buffs, command the pet to perform special attacks and provide support damage.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

They could make it a proper pet class by making all of the attacks come from the pet and have the Arcanist/Summoner provide pet buffs, command the pet to perform special attacks and provide support damage.

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I don't want to play a class like this. This is nothing like any arcanist/summoner in FFXIV. This has never been fun in any game to me. You might want to play a different game.

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Originally Posted by Jediman

I think It would have been better for them to make a new class for that DoT rather having it on the SMN.

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OBJECTION!

Actually, one of the first Summoners of the series, Rydia, had access to the bio and venom line of spells. DoTs if you will. In fact, it was often more efficiant to use her as a Black mage.

Now with Blm having the staples of attack magic what is left? I mean what would you rather have them be? Mediocre healers with more mp and flashy but ineffectual pets which drain mp?

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Originally Posted by Razard

OBJECTION!

Actually, one of the first Summoners of the series, Rydia, had access to the bio and venom line of spells. DoTs if you will. In fact, it was often more efficiant to use her as a Black mage.

Now with Blm having the staples of attack magic what is left? I mean what would you rather have them be? Mediocre healers with more mp and flashy but ineffectual pets which drain mp?

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Having the Arcanist/Summoner have interesting pet mechanics instead of what we have now. Make it so when pets are summoned are attacks change based on what pet is out. We should be commanding the pet to perform a variety of special attacks, pet buffs and support.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

We should be commanding the pet to perform a variety of special attacks, pet buffs and support.

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That class will be called Beast Master.

Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

Having the Arcanist/Summoner have interesting pet mechanics instead of what we have now. Make it so when pets are summoned are attacks change based on what pet is out.

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So you want what we already have?

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Originally Posted by Razard

OBJECTION!

Actually, one of the first Summoners of the series, Rydia, had access to the bio and venom line of spells. DoTs if you will. In fact, it was often more efficiant to use her as a Black mage.

Now with Blm having the staples of attack magic what is left? I mean what would you rather have them be? Mediocre healers with more mp and flashy but ineffectual pets which drain mp?

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Actually, the first summoner is from Final Fantasy 3, and they could only summon or swing their staff/rod (or use them in battle)

Rydia is the 2nd summoner, but she is more of a cross class summoner/blm.. and if you wonder why Palom was a true black mage, because if you do level him even in the original version he had access to every single black mage spell also, including Meteo, and all the remakes same.

And for the record, the only reason people keep bringing up, Summoners need to be fixed, is because everyone expected a Final Fantasy 11 summoner.. if you look you still see a "Where is my wyvern" threads keep popping up for dragoons too. There is nothing wrong with the class at all, could it be better, of course, but then again so could black mages and bards could be more support. Final Fantasy 11 was a different style mmo, a more multi-player needed style mmo, instead of the wow model which is more single player mmo which this follows. I would have loved if they brought back a Final Fantasy 11 part 2 and called it Final Fantasy 14, but it's just not the game design and style.

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Originally Posted by Hiroradius

Actually, the first summoner is from Final Fantasy 3, and they could only summon or swing their staff/rod (or use them in battle)

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Apparently your reading comprehension needs work. "One of the the First Summoners..." . And If you want to be Pedantic she was the first Summoner "Character" instead of just a class a character could use.

But then again, every instance of a Summoner "Character" in FF has been cross class with something else. Usually White Mage.

And by what Akiza keeps driveling on about She doesn't want this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOBxRZ6_ZnE
But this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9pAHD-P4M

p.s Just so you know, Rydia could learn all the black mage spells too.

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Originally Posted by Razard

Apparently your reading comprehension needs work. "One of the the First Summoners..." . And If you want to be Pedantic she was the first Summoner "Character" instead of just a class a character could use.

But then again, every instance of a Summoner "Character" in FF has been cross class with something else. Usually White Mage.

And by what Akiza keeps driveling on about She doesn't want this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOBxRZ6_ZnE
But this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9pAHD-P4M

p.s Just so you know, Rydia could learn all the black mage spells too.

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In Final Fantasy XI Summoner's didn't summon the True Avatar either they summoned a portion of the Avatar which was why our summons were 1/3 of their original size while in this game they just chopped up the Primal and gave a piece of it to every Summoner.

Oh, goddammit. -_-
There are almost more Summoner threads (started by the same people) as Atma threads.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Egi-rebalance
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...eep-popping-up
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...serious-revamp
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-are-released
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...mmoner-Changes

You would think after posting six or more threads and being branded the most irritating poster on these boards he or she would take a hint, but no...