30 min Penalty needs to be added for leaving a dungeon while players are in a CS.....

I tested it out this morning and unless I did something wrong which I don't think I did you get a 30 min penalty. So to the people who always told me that you didn't get one............

I think there was some official comment already regarding people leaving dungeons early like that. I couldn't source it for you, but I remember reading some comment that it was a known problem or something.

cuz this couldnt have been posted in one of the various thread on the subject that are all over the front pages

special snowflakes need special threads

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Originally Posted by alhandra

special snowflakes need special threads

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It may be possible they dc during loading screen? Has actually happened to me before. I wouldn't find it fair if I got penalized for that

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Originally Posted by RumiP

Armchair moderators need special armchairs.

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someones gotta do it

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Originally Posted by sylent09

It may be possible they dc during loading screen? Has actually happened to me before. I wouldn't find it fair if I got penalized for that

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There's a difference between getting a 90k and actually leaving. 90k, your name is still there. Leaving, your name is gone and the "add people to party" prompt shows up for the party leader.

I don't understand people that try to rush people through cutscenes. I could see if the time in the dungeon was running low, but 9/10 times, it's just people in a rush. I didn't skip a single cutscene my first go round, so I never knew that you had to beat up UW more than once until I was doing a playthrough recently and skipped the cutscenes. I think there should be a harsher penalty for tanks/healers just because it's easier for them to get into dungeons immediately after. Behaviour such as leaving because someone's watching a cutscene is quite douche baggish. Is it going to kill you to let someone experience the game the way it was intended to be?

This seems to be happening a lot in Lost City of Amdapor, and it's really stupid. Several times now I've had both dps drop immediately, leaving myself and the tank to proceed to clear much of the dungeon until replacements could be found. Oh no, you got queued into a dungeon that takes 15-20 minutes to clear instead of 10 - the horror!!

Suck it up and run the instance. It's easy.

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

I think there should be a harsher penalty for tanks/healers just because it's easier for them to get into dungeons immediately after.

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i think dps should suck it up and realize that long queues are part of playing easy classes that everyone wants to play

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Originally Posted by alhandra

i think dps should suck it up and realize that long queues are part of playing easy classes that everyone wants to play

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And the fact that they're specifically queuing up for "roulette" which is in itself random.

I had no clue this was a thing and I've never left when a dungeon started unless someone else did first. But I have been stuck in the little ring thing at the start of a dungeon for an annoyingly long time because someone DC'd during the CS... after already being in it for 10 minutes. It's perfectly understandable when people start to ditch because of that, especially if it's the tank, since you can't kick someone in a CS. It's kind of nice to know you wont be penalized for that right now.

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Originally Posted by Elim

I had no clue this was a thing and I've never left when a dungeon started unless someone else did first. But I have been stuck in the little ring thing at the start of a dungeon for an annoyingly long time because someone DC'd during the CS... after already being in it for 10 minutes. It's perfectly understandable when people start to ditch because of that, especially if it's the tank, since you can't kick someone in a CS. It's kind of nice to know you wont be penalized for that right now.

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Exactly that! I don't have time for DC's and/or roleplays.

As for that whiner (on page 1) who felt the need to derail the topic talking about people leaving in cutscenes... hurry the hell up then! I skipped and currently skip all my cutscenes on my first go around. It's not rocket science, I'm not use PEMDAS to skip cutscenes... it's called Inns and I use them... here's a very simple reason why, I'm not selfish, you know the thing cutscene criers like yourself actually are. The thing is, with me or anyone skipping cutscenes it's this big fancy picture... we're not taking up anyone else's time. We're not the self entitled ones to feel the need to LOLWorldofWarcraftLOL 3-7 other people's time when there is INN that will play EVERY cutscene! The ones who are forcing people to skip cutscenes aren't the selfish ones. The ones who feel extremely self entitled to waste the most important thing in life (the answer is time btw) are the real selfish ones (or at the very least way more selfish then the pushers).

tl:dr your time < everyone else's as a collective. A lot of you need to realize you're not important. Don't compensate your lack of importance irl to here or any game.

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Originally Posted by alhandra

i think dps should suck it up and realize that long queues are part of playing easy classes that everyone wants to play

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I can sense the butthurt from here. It's not a matter of class difficulty. It's just there are more DPS to choose from than tank/healer classes, so naturally we'd have longer queue times. I'm sorry but when I play as a tank on a different character, if I leave a dungeon, I feel I deserve to have a harsher punishment because 30 minutes is nothing. Oh man...30 minutes and then boop! Right back into a dungeon. But nice assumption you had there.

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

I can sense the butthurt from here. It's not a matter of class difficulty. It's just there are more DPS to choose from than tank/healer classes, so naturally we'd have longer queue times. I'm sorry but when I play as a tank on a different character, if I leave a dungeon, I feel I deserve to have a harsher punishment because 30 minutes is nothing. Oh man...30 minutes and then boop! Right back into a dungeon. But nice assumption you had there.

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As someone who rotates between all three roles readily, I have to disagree. DD requires the least amount of skill and effort to perform satisfactorily, and it's also the least noticeable when someone falls short in this department (except in 'DPS race' boss battles, which are rare until endgame anyway).

Oh, the rage and qq on these threads is so amusing.

Back on topic, I totally agree that the penalty needs to be applied as soon as you enter the instance. Pretty sure we're getting a fix for that soon though, it's more of a loophole than a deliberate thing.
I have never been the first person to quit an instance. People who quit out because it's not the "right" dungeon, or they think it'll take too long, or there's a new person in the group are idiots, frankly. They're the reason I queue up as a healer for in-progress dungeons whenever I have some time where I'm not doing anything, trying to tip the balance a bit x.x

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Originally Posted by Astralos

As someone who rotates between all three roles readily, I have to disagree. DD requires the least amount of skill and effort to perform satisfactorily, and it's also the least noticeable when someone falls short in this department (except in 'DPS race' boss battles, which are rare until endgame anyway).

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Actually, you're incorrect. As somebody who has played almost every DPS class to level 50 (only need BLM for that to be complete), it's VERY VERY noticeable. You'll notice DoTs not being used, enemies falling slower than they should, you'll notice everything. Melee DPS more than any other classes have to be played with skill and requires effort to keep their DPS up high. BRDs and BLMs I agree, not so much. But again, it's noticeable when a DPS sucks in 4 man content. Even in an 8 man you can notice it.

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Originally Posted by alhandra

i think dps should suck it up and realize that long queues are part of playing easy classes that everyone wants to play

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I do not know where this myth that DPSing is easier than tanking and healing is comming from. The only difference I see is that if you mess up it is more visible if you are a tank or healer but to perfect your role I can not understand how it would be any harder than tanking or healing.

More forgiving I can buy, but easier? Nah.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

I do not know where this myth that DPSing is easier than tanking and healing is comming from. The only difference I see is that if you mess up it is more visible if you are a tank or healer but to perfect your role I can not understand how it would be any harder than tanking or healing.

More forgiving I can buy, but easier? Nah.

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To be honest, you are both right. It all depends on the fight mechanics. Ifrit Ex. heavy on the healers, followed by tanks, thirdly DPS. Thornmarch EX, relies on DPS knowing what to do. Titan Ex id put more towards the tanks as they not only deal with the same mechnics as healers and DPS, but also have to watch and time tank swaps + the adds after heart/superbombs.

So can't really say one role is harder or easier than the other in a general context.

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Originally Posted by SeekerScorpio

Exactly that! I don't have time for DC's and/or roleplays.

As for that whiner (on page 1) who felt the need to derail the topic talking about people leaving in cutscenes... hurry the hell up then! .

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You do realise it takes some longer to get out of Cutscenes even when they skip them? So someone on a powerful PC with SATA drives will exit the CS faster than a PS3 player even if they click to skip the cutscene at the same time.

Also it's you who derailed the thread :)

Players who, if it is their first time, want to watch the cutscene are playing the game as it was designed. Seeing the cutscenes in context gives a better overview of the story at the time. instead of disjointed. You want to watch them in the Inns, does not give you the right to dictate that others should also!.

See that horse your on? It's high, climb off it.

Are you sure the 30 minutes penalty is skipped if I leave before the initial cutscene is over? I just did one as a test and sure enough I got the 30 minutes penalty.

I think that if you do the roulette, and leave because you don't like the dungeon, you forfeit the roulette bonus. The whole point of roulette is not knowing what you're gonna do and there's an extra reward for sucking it up and winning with no warning about the dungeon it selects. Sounds like people leaving because it's not Brayflox or whatver FotM dungeon they wanna do, that's sounds like they're cheesing the system, and using it in a way that is unintential.

In conclusion: Leave during a roulette, forfeit the daily bonus.

horray, real life comparisons.
then u realize its a game not a job. i will do my job since i must be speedy.
this is a game, for my leisure. i work, come home and chill. if im not important, then dont worry
abt what i do.
not suppose to be a stress inducer not only that u insult us coz we play a game our way
lmfao. good times forums.

as for the cs no pentalty. yeah get to that se plz.
i also have long wait times and im a healer w/ ppl leavin like that
they found around the system ;o
http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/p/s/psadblushplz.png?2

SeekerScorpio, talks about courtesy, yet they're the most rude poster on this thread.

ANYWAY, yes, this should totally happen. Like someone said before me, removing the daily rewards for leaving said dungeon would be a good incentive for having people stay. The only drawback to this would be not being able to leave a nightmare party (you know, the ones where a tank doesn't know what a tank is, DPS players do negative damage, and they ignore you when you explain to them what skills to use and how they work?), but I'll take the risk if it means one selfish player paying the price for screwing up three others.

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SeekerScorpio, talks about courtesy, yet they're the most rude poster on this thread.

ANYWAY, yes, this should totally happen. Like someone said before me, removing the daily rewards for leaving said dungeon would be a good incentive for having people stay. The only drawback to this would be not being able to leave a nightmare party (you know, the ones where a tank doesn't know what a tank is and DPS players do negative damage?), but I'll take the risk if it means one selfish player paying the price for screwing up three others.

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If I see DPS doing negative damage, I would stick around just for the laughs.

I had to skip the castrum cutscenes due to impatient people. Everyone's always like "rushrushrush"

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Originally Posted by Aubog007

I had to skip the castrum cutscenes due to impatient people. Everyone's always like "rushrushrush"

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It would be nice to watch these cutscenes in the context of their respective dungeons, but they're also quite frequent and lengthy, and these are dungeons that people do on a potential daily basis as part of their roulette. Having players skip cutscenes is inconsiderate, but so is making seven other players wait. I don't think either side is fully right in this argument. It's a shame that i has to come to this, but making a "watching cutscene' PF would probably result in your best first experience for CM and Praetorium.

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Originally Posted by Aubog007

I had to skip the castrum cutscenes due to impatient people. Everyone's always like "rushrushrush"

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"Man I'm so glad these people are here to help me get through this content. I should show my appreciation by making them wait 7 additional minutes to finish the instance, especially when I can easily watch these privately in my inn room."

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Originally Posted by Odett

It would be nice to watch these cutscenes in the context of their respective dungeons, but they're also quite frequent and lengthy, and these are dungeons that people do on a potential daily basis as part of their roulette. Having players skip cutscenes is inconsiderate, but so is making seven other players wait. I don't think either side is fully right in this argument. It's a shame that i has to come to this, but making a "watching cutscene' PF would probably result in your best first experience for CM and Praetorium.

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We had our own tanks in praetorium*, so we got to watch the cutscenes because the party voted to watch them.
It's nice cinematic effect when having a party of 8 confront the bosses.

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Originally Posted by RumiP

"Man I'm so glad these people are here to help me get through this content. I should show my appreciation by making them wait 7 additional minutes to finish the instance, especially when I can easily watch these privately in my inn room."

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"Man, it must be nice having a story roulette for people who haven't done story, i am glad that there are new players who want to experience the content without feeling rushed, lets help them and relax."

Isn't there only a reward for the needed class anyway?

Cmon, it's a STORY ROULETTE.

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Originally Posted by RumiP

"Man I'm so glad these people are here to help me get through this content. I should show my appreciation by making them wait 7 additional minutes to finish the instance, especially when I can easily watch these privately in my inn room."

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Ahh yes, because you're more important than every other player in the game, and can't go on without them, since the dungeon is so hard you have to 8 man it, and can't do anything less...OH WAIT, IT'S THE EASIEST 8 MAN DUNGEON IN THE GAME. Get over it, there will be new people who watch cutscenes. Just go on through the dungeon while they're watching it, it's not going to kill anybody to 7 man.

i dont get it lol, you do get a 30 min penalty for leaving a dungeon early even if people are still watching cs unless you dc, which SE has no way to prove if you forced the dc or not, so they cant punish you for that. The only thing you can do is waste 5 mins of their time an dont kick them till the game kicks them. As far as people watching cs's in CM/Prea... who freakin cares?!?!?! lol I have yet to see a pt that doesnt just leave the cs watchers behind an continue the dungeon on without them lol So who is wasting whos time? That is the real reason why SE has done nothing about the CS issue, because there is no issue. Most of us are so geared up we could prolly duo/trio CM/Prea if the whole rest of the pt happened to be noobs, which would never happen either btw, most of my runs there is usually only 1-2 new people, an half the time they skip without being told anything, the other half they sit an watch cs's while everyone else blasts through the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by DoubleT

you do get a 30 min penalty for leaving a dungeon early even if people are still watching cs.

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Well I was told multiple times my different people that idk, That there was no penalty when leaving the dungeon while someone was still in the starting Cut Scene. So I always assumed it was correct, I've had people do it in Pharos Sirius a lot and people do it in the lost city and other places.

Well anyways I just tested it out and unless I did it wrong, which I'm sure I didn't you do get a 30 min penalty. So I'll change the OP.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

it's not going to kill anybody to 7 man.

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Why should I have to?

@Mysteran: That's actually the reason why I said to 7/6 man the dungeon while the other 1/2 are watching cutscenes. They get to watch them, we get to do the dungeon without waiting for them. Besides, the drop in efficiency really isn't that bad at all. I was once in Praetorium while one healer, one tank, and one DPS were watching the cutscenes. I had to solo heal that place as a SCH and everything turned out fine, no wipes, no problems at all...at least until they showed up during the Ultima fights, then I had to rez 2 of them. I had more fun in that place doing that 5 man that I had in all my times of being there.

Not only is it a challenge for the people who are moving on ahead without the people watching cutscenes, the new people get to watch said cutscenes. Everybody wins. The only reason I can picture them wanting people to skip cutscenes is if they don't know their class well enough (which they really should at level 50) to handle a little extra load from the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Astralos

good intent.

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sadly, things that stick out get ignored most of the time.

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Well I was told multiple times my different people that idk, That there was no penalty when leaving the dungeon while someone was still in the starting Cut Scene. So I always assumed it was correct, I've had people do it in Pharos Sirius a lot and people do it in the lost city and other places.

Well anyways I just tested it out and unless I did it wrong, which I'm sure I didn't you do get a 30 min penalty. So I'll change the OP.

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It must have been fixed very recently then.

Actually It can work. There was talk in my FC's chat (TODAY) and one mentioned that sometimes he does duty roulette join in pt and when he leaves while people are cutscene he says he doesn't get penalty. (as healer)

He leaves pharos all the time and immediately queues again. as he says. Not sure if true or not.

Why yes masta, I get back to da wheat n' cotton pickin fo you as fast as I cans, I knows I can't be waiting yo's time. O rich and powerful masta. I musts have been on of my mind thinking I could do something that is supposeds be done by the designs of the game.


Lol on a serious note, I let people watch Cs when they want. Why? Cuz I'm the mf healer. And I can let them. If you have a problem, you go ahead and rush. *i* won't heal you for being in a douch and trying to rush new players.

Want to kick me. For. It? Come at me. Bro. I have no problem reporting people for abusing the kick system.

There should be a penalty that makes you unable to play a dungeon for a few days if you decide to exit it!

Gaaah! It happened again today and worse yet it was a whm!

Guess how many whms are waiting in the que to join in progress dungeons?

Zero. Thanks for wasting my morning play-time.
Get those punishments in the game now!