coil of bahamut t9 db phase too hard for colourblind people

As the title stated, too hard for colourblind people like me. The dragon glow is not distinct enough and i can't differentiate different shades of red. Although I've finally cleared it, it is still really annoying. Would be nice if someone could look into it and assist in the colourblind players. Thanks.

I agree, I only got to the first Heavensfall so far, but I'm not looking forward to the rest of the fight cause of my colourblindness.

Crap, I'm colorblind. It will likely be a while until I get to this fight but I don't want another repeat of Operator IX from SWTOR.

They fixed the colorblind issue for Garuda EX relatively quickly so I'm sure they will fix this pretty quick as well. That's a shame to hear they didn't learn from the past though...
I hope the devs chime in with a quick response

There was an issue on colour blindness in the Garuda Ex fight?

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Originally Posted by kyorakun

There was an issue on colour blindness in the Garuda Ex fight?

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There were a red and green lines before. Now one of the lines is dotted to distinguish it.

Colorblind people can do t9 if you know how the DB's work you nublet. =p

You cannot be a crystal bearer if you are colorblind, sorry.

The Garuda issue was actually from HM. For EX they further corrected it by ensuring each sister always got the same color line so you could just differentiate by name.

You'd think they would try to get at least one colorblind person to work on their QA team.

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Originally Posted by infinitezero

You'd think they would try to get at least one colorblind person to work on their QA team.

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That would be giving unfair treatment to non-colorblind people applying for the same position.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Pretty sure troll post but just in case...
It's like asking for a translator but someone who doesn't speak the desired language calling it unfair. Get off your high horse or stop trolling a serious topic.

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What high horse are you talking about? Your example is completely different. The work of the translator requires that you know the desired language. The work of QA does not require one person to be colorblind. Here's an example of what would be similar: A company is forced to hire only minorities for race diversity. See how absurd that is? If QA requires at least one colorblind person to work there, they'd better hire people with motion sickness, dyslexia, deaf, etc. Even amongst the colorblinds, there are people blind to different colors. Maybe they should hire multiple to make sure.
I get that the topic is that SE should make the divebombs more distinguishable and I'm not arguing against that.

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

That would be giving unfair treatment to non-colorblind people applying for the same position.

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Pretty sure troll post but just in case...
It's like asking for a translator but someone who doesn't speak the desired language calling it unfair. Get off your high horse or stop trolling a serious topic.

To be fair you don't have to see the glow, you can just memorize the formations. They dive in the same order based on the formation.

Or just have one person that knows them and mark A and B for where the indicators go.

Furthermore

http://enchroma.com/

The spots you have to go for each of the 3 formation are the same. I'm not even looking at the dragons during divebombs (I was actually wondering why I couldn't see the glow)

Greetings,

We understand that it can be difficult for players with color blindness to discern the colors of the different golems that appear in turn 4 of the Second Coil of Bahamut, and the development team will be working on an adjustment moving forward so you can tell them apart by means other than color.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

We understand that it can be difficult for players with color blindness to discern the colors of the different golems that appear in turn 4 of the Second Coil of Bahamut, and the development team will be working on an adjustment moving forward so you can tell them apart by means other than color.

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I can only imagine that this would be a similar problem for Garuda HM, if those beams are red and green.

I knew they would get to it ^^ Thank you Camate!

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Originally Posted by EinherjarLucian

I can only imagine that this would be a similar problem for Garuda HM, if those beams are red and green.

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Nah, they already fixed it by making the red beam a broken line while the green beam stays the same.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

We understand that it can be difficult for players with color blindness to discern the colors of the different golems that appear in turn 4 of the Second Coil of Bahamut, and the development team will be working on an adjustment moving forward so you can tell them apart by means other than color.

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...and there was much rejoicing! (Not there yet, but great that this is being looked at).

Just gonna throw this out there since it is the second time it has come up in design. Roughly 10% of people are partially color blind. Instead of assigning double resources on doing fixes it might be a good idea to either:

Try the color palates on content on a monochrome monitor, or
Look up Ishihara tests and compare the monochrome to color versions.

I know it is not quit the same, but it will demonstrate why subtle palette swaps cause issues, and hopefully save se some money and the player-base the hassle of pointing it out.

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Originally Posted by Lollie

Just gonna throw this out there since it is the second time it has come up in design. Roughly 10% of people are partially color blind. Instead of assigning double resources on doing fixes it might be a good idea to either:

Try the color palates on content on a monochrome monitor, or
Look up Ishihara tests and compare the monochrome to color versions.

I know it is not quit the same, but it will demonstrate why subtle palette swaps cause issues, and hopefully save se some money and the player-base the hassle of pointing it out.

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Not even close to 10%
more like 3 or 4%
Also, to varying degrees.

People love making excuses for being bad though.

Pure attack post good job, anything constructive to add?
The exact % is besides the point, since se has already shown an active interest of correcting when an issue is reported regarding these kinds of impairments.
If you want to argue that point www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001997 "1 in 10 men have some form of color blindness". While that only accounts for half the population their primary target users still fall in the 8% range with an overall average still of 5% when you factor in women.

My post above does state "partially color blind", your reading comprehension is lacking.

Further the most common form of color blindness is Dueteranopia affecting ability to distinguish red and green.
Monitors use RGB (red green blue) color encoding it the dominant portion of consumer electronics.
To produce brown red yellow on a monitor the color combinations are primarily red and green, with a very disproportionate amount of blue incorporated into brown and orange. This can be verified in practically any art editing software. Meaning aside from a slight brightness difference they look identical.

Seeing as you probably will not comprehend the full post, through lack of empathy I am sure, here is something to think about. These new lcd traffic signals that we clearly have the technology to incorporate into a single light still have 3 apertures. I would love to see you have the same opinion when someone color blind in this fashion is coming the other direction and can't tell if the light is red or green.

Unless you have 8 colorblind people, have someone use marks. Don't be lazy. If the time it takes to mark a golem means win or lose for you, you can't win yet anyway

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Originally Posted by Luhy

Unless you have 8 colorblind people, have someone use marks. Don't be lazy. If the time it takes to mark a golem means win or lose for you, you can't win yet anyway

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That's not the point. The point is the fight is somewhat unfair to those who are have color deficiencies and this problem should be addressed.

One of our tanks is colorblind. We often have to make adjustments on our strategy based on this. Things that on top of my head are a problem for him aside from T9:

- Thornmarch Ex: When the BLM moogle casts meteor, he has a harder time looking for other markers.
- T8: He can't be on mine duty because he can't see them easily.
- The areas of coil with orange ground are a pain for him.
- Orange markers in general. He actually had an easier time with the red ones.

Personally, I really don't think its fair that we should be changing our whole strategy because of SE's oversights, not is it fair for our fellow teammate to be excluded from certain parts of the fight because of it. Something as simple as adding a color slider for the default markings would go a long way into making his life easier. I mean, everything else in the game can be changed in color, except the aoe markings...

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Originally Posted by Luhy

Unless you have 8 colorblind people, have someone use marks. Don't be lazy. If the time it takes to mark a golem means win or lose for you, you can't win yet anyway

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I only see in shades of black and white. Marking a golem certainly helps. At least the metors have differing icons to distinguish "red" from "orange". No need to call people lazy. Maybe you have normal color vision but perhaps not, but at least have some empathy for those that don't have "normal" color vision when it affects raid mechanics.

No but seriously, if your looking for the glowing one your already doing it wrong lol.

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Originally Posted by Staris

No but seriously, if your looking for the glowing one your already doing it wrong lol.

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So I'm doing it "wrong" because all golems to me are black, white, shades of grey and I'm forced to wait until someone marks a number? I would love to trade my color vision (or lack thereof) with yours so you can tell me how to do it right without waitng on assistance. I'm looking forward to an distinctive indicator, just as like the coments have.

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Originally Posted by mythicrose

So I'm doing it "wrong" because all golems to me are black, white, shades of grey and I'm forced to wait until someone marks a number? I would love to trade my color vision (or lack thereof) with yours so you can tell me how to do it right without waitng on assistance. I'm looking forward to an distinctive indicator, just as like the coments have.

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What on earth does the glowing have to do with the color of the golems?
I was talking about the dragons in the end, which clearly is misunderstood by the colorblind.

For the golems. Yes someone else could easily mark it for you, but I also highly doubt that they are equally the same shades of gray to a true monochromac. Which also makes me think you are just trolling, since about 1 in a 30,000? people are, do we really have to cater to 1 in a 30,000 people? seriously?

What about people who are mentally challenged, do we have to nerf all content so they can do it? Autism? far more common, please make this game autism friendly.

Yeesh

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So now it is 1 in 30,000 instead of 3-4%?
I don't know if it is more disappointing that you are still complaining about something that is confirmed going to get changed already, or the fact you contradict yourself on the same page with 2 sets of statistics that have no backing. I am ashamed at myself for even bothering attempt enlightening a person who is so narrow-sighted.

Just for the record no one here is remotely talking about making the fight in question mechanically easier, just suggesting at worse making something a different color.

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Originally Posted by Staris

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*rolls eyes* You're still not telling me how a distincitve indicator other than color is bad. It's damn hard to describe the golems to you if you don't see black/white. Yes, I wait for someone to mark. Dragons at the end is similiar. It's all about reaction time, right? Waiting for someone to call it out in Vent/Mumble/whatever is more taxing than being able to easily identify it myself.

I only wish I was trolling. My grandfather (mother's dad), uncle (mother's brother), and I all share this trait. The only trolling here is those that think indicators are a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Lollie

Just for the record no one here is remotely talking about making the fight in question mechanically easier, just suggesting at worse making something a different color.

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I'd prefer a symbol or something like they've done to differentiate the different comets. I'm looking forward to see what's implemented. Perhaps it'll help some people out, perhaps not.

Again, if you go back and read what I was originally talking about, if you want an indicator for your golems that is fine. However, your asking to be catered to for something that effects 1in30,000 people. Just wanted to make that clear.

The problem was the more common colorblind people saying the dragons in the end were a problem. With the reality being they do not understand the fight well enough to understand if your waiting for the glow, your doing it wrong.