Reality Check: Personal housing delayed to 2.35+

Personal housing was promised 6 months after 2.1 but the recent news from the Yoshida paints a different picture from our dreams of owning our own land and buying a small house.

For now, we are getting personal rooms. It will function very much like FFXI:
Players will enter an instanced zone of a room that's slighty larger than a room at the inn. There, they can decorate it with furnishings.

There's no word on whether you must be in an FC with a house or if decorated rooms will also be available in the major cities (similar to residential zones in FFXI).

The actual land houses won't come til after patch 2.3, if we're lucky, 2.35

I'm personally ok with this, because housing will likely be expensive. If rooms are free to add-on, then more people will opt for personal rooms in the long run.

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y; personal rooms are coming first, i’ve mentioned we’re working on both personal housing/room
y; one where you can purchase your own land/house, the dev team is first working on the personal rooms first.
y; they are both working on at same time but personal room will be released first then house after
y; in 2.3 we’re going to see how much land is going to be available

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...ZMrx2eCgQ/edit
http://lalafell.xxxblog.jp/archives/38512358.html
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201404/27052460.html

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

Personal housing was promised 6 months after 2.1 but the recent news from the Yoshida paints a different picture from our dreams of owning our own land and buying a small house.

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Do you have a source showing where it was PROMISED to us within that time?

Why is this so hard to do?!

Rift gives out housing space like candy! WildStar is giving everyone a housing instance at the very start! LotRO has this down pat! Aion has tons of instanced housing!

Why do they continue with server limitations excuse when this has been done before in other games en masse.

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in 2.3 we’re going to see how much land is going to be available

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Isn't that what you were doing for the last 6 months? That's what was said, "monitoring the server space". This is becoming quite aggravating

I really don't care if we was to just have the Inn room and customize it to our liking, an FC house is enough already and I'm hardly ever in there when outside of combat unless it's to drop off mats and maybe dump some gil into the chest.

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Originally Posted by IfritReborn

Why is this so hard to do?!

Why do they continue with server limitations excuse when this has been done before in other games en masse.

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I like to believe what MrHappy from youtube's explaination behind it;

SE Bosses: You guys already failed once. You're lucky we're still even having XIV.

YoshiP: We need better servers.

SE Bosses: Then your predecessor should have thought about that before releasing XIV. You get what you got.

Servers = A LOT of Money.

LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY. Hundreds of thousands of dollars to set up just ONE.
FFXIV just like anything else has a budget, they can't just say "Well, we're making 4$, so LETS SPEND 3.8$!!!"

Over-estimating, or over-spending could end up costing a company more than they'd intended.




FFXIV is here to make money primarily, and that's what it will continue to prioritise.

SE is like a car company when it comes to servers. Other car companies make a car and sell it for 20k of your local currency (good reliable servers). SE comes, puts together a chassis and a steering wheel, and charge 20k for it too (crappy servers).

SE charges the standard rate for a sub, there is a certain expectation of players to have non-crappy servers like the other companies provide for the same sub price. Not only that, but they tack on money each month for extra retainers. They have enough money to support better servers. Both XI and XIV are crazy profitable.

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Originally Posted by FritoBandito

Do you have a source showing where it was PROMISED to us within that time?

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Yeah, I'd also like to know where the OP got the idea that housing was ever promised 6 months after 2.1? My memory of the issue seems to recall that it has ALWAYS been "We will have to see how it goes after Free Company housing, then we will let you know."

Please post your source before you add to the smearing going on on these forums.

I think the game has been playing catch-up since release of 2.0. They are doing a great job of multi-tasking development between new stuff and fixing the old as well as the current new problems.

Stop ragging on them! They are doing great!

I'm just trying to figure out what's the point of have FC housing, FC personal rooms and personal player housing?

I'd rather see it delayed than having a crappy Personal Housing and see people come to forums to whine.

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Originally Posted by MorbidAngel

I'm just trying to figure out what's the point of have FC housing, FC personal rooms and personal player housing?

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FC Housing is amazing. Our FC hangs out there constantly between runs. We have the market board and bell right outside and merchants and menders inside. It's a one stop shop for almost everything we need. Add that on top of keeping our FC community tighter because we run into each other at home all the time. They are a wonderful investment to any FC serious about building a community.

lol there's no point to any housing. People just like playing dress-up.

Not that I don't enjoy our mansion.

I'd actually prefer it if personal housing was simply room instances that you can decorate rather than a carbon copy of FC housing. Let FC housing be a unique thing so it has it's niche/point.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

Yeah, I'd also like to know where the OP got the idea that housing was ever promised 6 months after 2.1? My memory of the issue seems to recall that it has ALWAYS been "We will have to see how it goes after Free Company housing, then we will let you know."

Please post your source before you add to the smearing going on on these forums.

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I thought it was pretty common knowledge. I guess if you weren't following housing news since 2.0 you may not have known. I would have to look through the live letters before 2.1 to find exact quote.

People wanted Personal housing first. When Yoshi confirmed we were getting FC housing instead, he mentioned we won't get the personal one til 6 months afterwards in response to the backlash. e.g. patch 2.3

But it's a moot point. Things change, delays happen. I'm fine with the rooms, I'm just making a PSA for the people that were expecting personal houses. If you weren't expecting it, then good on you.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

FC Housing is amazing. Our FC hangs out there constantly between runs. We have the market board and bell right outside and merchants and menders inside. It's a one stop shop for almost everything we need. Add that on top of keeping our FC community tighter because we run into each other at home all the time. They are a wonderful investment to any FC serious about building a community.

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The question I'm asking is why does there need to be three different types of housing? It seems a bit redundant if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by MorbidAngel

The question I'm asking is why does there need to be three different types of housing? It seems a bit redundant if you ask me.

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Everyone enjoys different things in the game. Why do we need glamour? Why do we need different armor models? Why do we need crafting? Why do we need different mounts? Why do we need minions? This could go on forever. We don't NEED any of it, every player enjoys different things. Nothing wrong with options.

FC housing is pretty limiting, as only a small part of each fc can fully enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

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If memory serves, the "six months" thing was actually promised to be how much time it would take for the housing prices to drop to more reasonable levels from the ridiculously high 200 million gil, not how long it would be until personal housing / rooms would take to be implemented. There was never a concrete date on housing and Yoshi literally said he had to wait and see before he could have any idea when and how they could be implemented properly due to a variety of factors like server stress.

...and I really do hope the SE execs see the rave reviews Yoshi's reinvention of FFXIV has gotten and choose to contribute more funds for server optimizations, because really, Yoshida managed to save a sinking ship AND turn it into SE's financial flagship while SE was busy building more sinking ships with the XIII sub-franchise.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

I thought it was pretty common knowledge. I guess if you weren't following housing news since 2.0 you may not have known. I would have to look through the live letters before 2.1 to find exact quote.

People wanted Personal housing first. When Yoshi confirmed we were getting FC housing instead, he mentioned we won't get the personal one til 6 months afterwards in response to the backlash. e.g. patch 2.3

But it's a moot point. Things change, delays happen. I'm fine with the rooms, I'm just making a PSA for the people that were expecting personal houses. If you weren't expecting it, then good on you.

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I check every piece of news I can every morning first thing when I get to the office. I pour over everything I can since I can't play at all during the day and I don't recall this ever being the timeline for personal housing, so again, if you have a source I'd like to see it. Otherwise there are no promises being broken.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

There's no word on whether you must be in an FC with a house or if decorated rooms will also be available in the major cities (similar to residential zones in FFXI).

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Yes, you would need to be in a FC with a house.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Q: How will personal rooms work?
Yoshida: For personal rooms, first the Free Company needs to have the house. Next, specific member needs to select a command to “make a room” to make members individual rooms...... the flow is something like that. Currently we’re looking into how the players enter the rooms, either you go directly to your room from the entrance, or maybe first go through the main hall first to get to individual rooms. The size of the room is little bit bigger than the Inn rooms from the city nations. Players can freely decorate the interior of their rooms. The player can set an option to allow everyone from Free Company to be able to enter the room or not.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2069795

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Originally Posted by MorbidAngel

The question I'm asking is why does there need to be three different types of housing? It seems a bit redundant if you ask me.

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It's just a thing that gets done from time to time in MMOs. As the genre gets older, we move further away from older philosophies (such as MMOs intentionally being a second fantasy life), but there are aspects that still appeal to people. The idea of residential or group gathering is common. The aspect of having residential areas (essentially your home) and a gathering point (your FCs clubhouse) is not much different than it would be if it were "real". FC rooming is a little unnecessary, but it probably serves the purpose for people who don't have a lot of gil and either refuse or fail to learn how to make more quickly. Afterall, everyone needs a home, right?

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Originally Posted by Billzey

lol there's no point to any housing. People just like playing dress-up.

Not that I don't enjoy our mansion.

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actually, it's something to do other than bum-run dungeons, hear tears all day and constantly re-run crap.
it's something on the side to do. there's no point in vanity either when u think about it. it's just for fun.
im upset that personal housing is still not coming...but i guess it'll be fun to decorate my room.
i would like neighbors, my own garden w/o ppl in it all day when im spending me gil on stuff for them to harvest and idk
where my crop goes and more. i love to hang w/ my fc but we have a small plot and crap looks like a clutter fk when u have members
trying to put all hands on it. kinda wanna do my own thing yknow?

Just do like the rest of us buy a small FC house.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

If memory serves, the "six months" thing was actually promised to be how much time it would take for the housing prices to drop to more reasonable levels from the ridiculously high 200 million gil, not how long it would be until personal housing / rooms would take to be implemented. There was never a concrete date on housing and Yoshi literally said he had to wait and see before he could have any idea when and how they could be implemented properly due to a variety of factors like server stress.

...and I really do hope the SE execs see the rave reviews Yoshi's reinvention of FFXIV has gotten and choose to contribute more funds for server optimizations, because really, Yoshida managed to save a sinking ship AND turn it into SE's financial flagship while SE was busy building more sinking ships with the XIII sub-franchise.

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2:19:20
Q: When will individual housing be implemented?
A: It will be around half a year after patch 2.1's release. Currently, we are split between implementing a personal room within a free company house or personal housing. Since the decision will have a huge impact on how many additional servers we'll need to prepare, we have to carefully consider the balance of the housing system. We believe it will take roughly six months to have everything planned out and prepared.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...810-30-2013%29

btw 3mo was referring FC housing prices dropping to their lowest amount. a quick search found this.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1685344

FC Housing- group housing for you and your FC, activities that could be specific to that type of housing (airships, chocobo stables), communal features that you might not be able to afford on your own for a personal house (the crafting stations)
Personal Housing- who knows? Like FC housing I assume, maybe different areas or sizes, maybe shares some features with FC housing (gardening)
Personal Rooms- A way for those who can't afford their own land or house to have their own space. Limited by size and the choice of where your fc decides to put the house.

Thats what I assume is going on with the different types of housing. Personally I think it's good. People complain about server limitations and such and yes, it does kind of suck, but FFXIV is in a unique postion that they are working off the remnants of an old game, they had to develop it in a very short timeframe while also working on the previous iteration of it, and want to be sure they don't have any major mistakes after the disaster that was 1.0. Not to mention for the popularity ARR saw compared to 1.x they probably didnt expect the numbers and the need for so many servers, so trying to stick to budget didn't expand as much as they needed to.

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Originally Posted by Vactus

2:19:20
Q: When will individual housing be implemented?
A: It will be around half a year after patch 2.1's release. Currently, we are split between implementing a personal room within a free company house or personal housing. Since the decision will have a huge impact on how many additional servers we'll need to prepare, we have to carefully consider the balance of the housing system. We believe it will take roughly six months to have everything planned out and prepared.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...810-30-2013%29

btw 3mo was referring FC housing prices dropping to their lowest amount. a quick search found this.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1685344

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Thanks for that. Though this is more of an 'estimation' than it is a 'promise'. They use words like 'around' and 'roughly' because they aren't 100% sure. Even so, personal room probably by 2.3 and personal housing by 2.35 seems pretty close to what they said in this live letter. Especially since they apparently decided to go with both rather than one or the other.

Thanks for that. Though this is more of an 'estimation' than it is a 'promise'. They use words like 'around' and 'roughly' because they aren't 100% sure. Even so, personal room probably by 2.3 and personal housing by 2.35 seems pretty close to what they said in this live letter. Especially since they apparently decided to go with both rather than one or the other.