AOE stoneskin outside of combat

There is already a mechanic in game to tell if you are in combat or not.

It would be nice if Stoneskin could be AOE outside of combat.
Even if it was a late level trait you learned.

Well, what our the point be? I mean, to avoid mobs outside of combat? Get into a raid with stoneskin already? I don't see the benefit, out of making things a bit speedier.

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Originally Posted by Lee-Akira

don't see the benefit, out of making things a bit speedier.

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That's entirely the point, it's a quality of life change. So long as it's out of combat, at any rate.

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Originally Posted by rhemi1

That's entirely the point, it's a quality of life change. So long as it's out of combat, at any rate.

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thing is, stokeskin is for combat, I don't see much use out of combat, other than to feel safer walking around mobs I guess.

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Originally Posted by Lee-Akira

thing is, stokeskin is for combat, I don't see much use out of combat, other than to feel safer walking around mobs I guess.

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This would be a suggestion aimed mostly at raiding, specifically recovering after wipes. Casting Stoneskin once instead of 8 times on the party after a wipe would help speed up wipe recovery, and also help speed up pulls at the start of instances if a WHM is in the party.

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Originally Posted by rhemi1

This would be a suggestion aimed mostly at raiding, specifically recovering after wipes. Casting Stoneskin once instead of 8 times on the party after a wipe would help speed up wipe recovery, and also help speed up pulls at the start of instances if a WHM is in the party.

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Also forgetting than after a wipe, people tend to talk strategy so wiping doesn't happen again, the healer could use that time to skin everyone. But I see the point.

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Originally Posted by Lee-Akira

thing is, stokeskin is for combat, I don't see much use out of combat, other than to feel safer walking around mobs I guess.

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Quality of Life refers to making something require less effort, that does not affect certain balances. This would be useful for prebuff situations. Prebuff is going to happen regardless. Might as well make it easier.

Divine Veil

A White mage skill that made your next spell an AOE.

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Originally Posted by C-croft

Quality of Life refers to making something require less effort, that does not affect certain balances. This would be useful for prebuff situations. Prebuff is going to happen regardless. Might as well make it easier.

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They give you like what? 90 to 120 minutes on raids? If you're planning to use every second of that time, then there's something wrong with the party. Games don't need to be nerved more than it is, taking time to skin everyone is fine, takes literally 30 sec or less. Even less when you have two healers. Stop being lazy people.

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Originally Posted by Lee-Akira

They give you like what? 90 to 120 minutes on raids? If you're planning to use every second of that time, then there's something wrong with the party. Games don't need to be nerved more than it is, taking time to skin everyone is fine, takes literally 30 sec or less. Even less when you have two healers. Stop being lazy people.

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I take it you aren't pushing progression in the new Coil turns.

Not a bad idea, I'd also like to see them bring back the skill that allows for a single target spell to be turned into an AOE spell. This might make more since for a WTM once the level cap is raised. :)

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

Divine Veil

A White mage skill that made your next spell an AOE.

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Sch in FFXI had a skill to make the next spell AoE ^^

Accession
Extends the effect of your next healing or enhancing white magic spell to party members within range.
MP cost and casting time are doubled.
Obtained: Scholar Level 40

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Originally Posted by Lee-Akira

They give you like what? 90 to 120 minutes on raids? If you're planning to use every second of that time, then there's something wrong with the party. Games don't need to be nerved more than it is, taking time to skin everyone is fine, takes literally 30 sec or less. Even less when you have two healers. Stop being lazy people.

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I think you have the wrong class if you want to talk lazy.

Give DPS a buff that they need to toss on every person before a fight and between pulls and the world would be coming to an end.
There is a big difference between a nerf and a QOL change.

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Originally Posted by rhemi1

I take it you aren't pushing progression in the new Coil turns.

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Kinda my thoughts exactly. My main is a DRG, I literally stand there until the tank rushes the boss... but I play WHM too... that SS spam ain't fun, especially if people are late to respawn >.<

Good QoL suggested people have wanted for a while. Please make it happen SE, it is tedious to wait for every pull, and annoying for the WHM.

Also, please make it so you can put buff effects on people in a cutscene/zoning in.. Having to wait for that person to watch a cutscene when their body is physically there to put up Protect/Stone Skin on them is quite annoying.

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Originally Posted by Lee-Akira

Also forgetting than after a wipe, people tend to ragequit and leave party

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Fixed it for you :P

Lee-Akira... How can you possibly be against a QoL adjustment? Even if whatever odd group you're in decides to take a 60 second break between every attempt, it would still be nice to cast stoneskin only once. It hurts absolutely no one so I don't know why anyone would be opposed to it.

It's really annoying to have to go re-Stoneskinning everyone one at a time after a wipe. Thumbs up, OP. xD

Would make it easier between pulls in dungeons too

This would be a nice quality of life change. In the meantime, I generally just pop Presence of Mind to SS everyone.

Thank you, for the majority supporting this idea. Maybe with enough support it will happen.

Also remember to like positive posts on this idea.

The issue I have seen is WHM starting to cast on 1-2 people and all of a sudden a tank starts running in before everyone has stoneskin.
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People late to to regroup and a tank runs in, and people miss stoneskin and protect all together..

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

Sch in FFXI had a skill to make the next spell AoE ^^

Accession
Extends the effect of your next healing or enhancing white magic spell to party members within range.
MP cost and casting time are doubled.
Obtained: Scholar Level 40

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I believe WHM had a spell like this in 1.0 that could even be used in combat (with the same drawback).

Just bring back sacred prism. 1m cooldown (iirc) and some spells would be AoE (mostly used for AoE cura, regen and stoneskin)

i agree. having to spam SS at the start of the dungeon, before a pull, before every boss, etc. is just annoying. no reason to not have SS work like protect outside of combat. I don't think SS should be AOE in combat because then you're starting to make WHM look more like a SCH by being able to erect shields during battle.

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Originally Posted by Lee-Akira

Well, what our the point be? I mean, to avoid mobs outside of combat? Get into a raid with stoneskin already? I don't see the benefit, out of making things a bit speedier.

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Community Service, Love at first sight, etc. Think of the possibilities with just one Stoneskin. You can buff anyone whenever you feel like it.

I don't play WHM, But I'm all for this. Anything to make a healers job better.

I support this idea!

Something to allow single target spells to target multiple targets in range would be a wonderful future cross class skill.

a skill to make any whm spell would be a little OP and easily abused, would essentially give whms a lb3 when they have the cooldowns.

Cast aoe buff
cast swiftcast
res
and you just ressed the whole party.

just make stoneskin aoe outside of combat.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

a skill to make any whm spell would be a little OP and easily abused, would essentially give whms a lb3 when they have the cooldowns.

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this is easily cured by allowing only certain spells to be used immediately after any future, hypothetical aoe buff. kind of like how SCH has certain spells that work under Aetherflow. you could have a set number of spells that work under a WHM's aoe buff.

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Originally Posted by Lee-Akira

They give you like what? 90 to 120 minutes on raids? If you're planning to use every second of that time, then there's something wrong with the party. Games don't need to be nerved more than it is, taking time to skin everyone is fine, takes literally 30 sec or less. Even less when you have two healers. Stop being lazy people.

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I'm not sure how you're opposed to not sitting around waiting for the WHM to stoneskin everyone or doing it yourself to everyone. Nobody's suggesting a nerf. It would simply condense 4/8 casts of buffs into 1, just like protect is not only aoe, but with the WHM trait also includes shell even though it traditionally isn't that way in FF games. The devs just realized that healers will always put those buffs on everyone so why make them waste time casting repeatedly? Entirely the same situation here (when not in combat).

Glad this is mostly agreement on this issue. Cheer. Make it so SE.

I like it, no balance issues (as long as it worked the same for at least sch, and maybe pld).

Agreed, and also wants to reset HP/MP/TP/CD skills after wiped.
Seriously what is the reason to have zero MP/TP after respawn ???

This needs to happen. The less annoying things that aren't needed the better. I can understand in combat. But out of combat? No, thats super annoying as are many things in this game simmiliar to that that should be patched.

Why is it that every time someone makes a valid suggestion, that would only help, and has no downside, there is always someone who feels the need to come in and complain about it?

Great suggestion!

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Originally Posted by Traek

Good QoL suggested people have wanted for a while. Please make it happen SE, it is tedious to wait for every pull, and annoying for the WHM.

Also, please make it so you can put buff effects on people in a cutscene/zoning in.. Having to wait for that person to watch a cutscene when their body is physically there to put up Protect/Stone Skin on them is quite annoying.

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This so much lol (and I main a WHM), also idk why the other guy said laziness is the reason...? It's pressing one button 8 times and have everyone wait for it to end. And no, people don't always talk strategy, and no, there were times where I completed instances on the last 1-2 minutes, so needing the whole instance timer doesn't means 100% fail.

If they did this, then the next step would make adloquim aoe as long as you aren't in combat, so you can get the big shield on everyone. One reason I think they don't do this kind of stuff is that if they did, people would start looking into ways to abuse it. Old WoW raiding, I mean really old like Molten Core, you weren't in combat until you engaged an enemy or healed/buffed someone that was, so groups would just sit one healer out and never cast a spell so they could only raise people that died so the group wouldn't have to worry about battle rez's. I'm not saying there would be a way to drop combat so you could do this, but if there was, then people would find it.

Or it could have nothing to do with what I just said, but maybe this could be the niche for a future job/class, get an ability that aoe's your next, if you go the offensive job, you could do things like aoe invigorate or some nifty enspell, if you go the healing job, you could use it to aoe a heal, or stoneskin, or an esuna type ability, or elemental spikes, you know, not put it in now, because they have plans for it down the road.

Just a couple of my thoughts.

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